flybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7534 times:
Title explains it all really.... Why has TCX (Thomas Cook UK) not installed winglets on the 757-200 fleet? The aircraft seem to turn up in medium / long haul destinations quite a bit...certainly as much as TOM (Thomson Airways) who have installled the winglets.
caaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7394 times:
TOM had their 757 and 767 winglets installed as part of the 787 delay compensation from Boeing.
TCX don't have any 787's on order so couldn't take advantage.
I believe some of the 757's are coming to end of lease soon also and i don't think TCX are renewing as there are plans for a fleet order of new aircraft, type still not yet decided. About time too as they have a big mix of aircraft at the moment. A320's, A321's, 757's, 767's and A330-200's
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7266 times:
I always wondered the same thing, especially as TCX fly the 757s to Canada. I thought the reason they have 35" seat pitch in the Canada sub-fleet was due to range issues LGW-YYZ with a higher density typical charter configuration. With winglets they could possibly add at least another row of seats thus helping to recoup the installation cost faster. However if as stated above the 757s won't be around for much longer then I guess it doesn't make sense.
flybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7223 times:
Quoting Navigator (Reply 1): I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.
I'm not sure that's the exact reason. The winglets must be cash positive relatively quickly or other airlines wouldn't have added them to their fleet in the numbers they have.
Quoting caaardiff (Reply 2): I believe some of the 757's are coming to end of lease soon also and i don't think TCX are renewing as there are plans for a fleet order of new aircraft, type still not yet decided.
If reply 1 is to be believed, how can they afford a new fleet If they can't afford winglets?
Quoting caaardiff (Reply 2): About time too as they have a big mix of aircraft at the moment. A320's, A321's, 757's, 767's and A330-200's
I'm not sold on this "one type fleet" story in charter airlines and i'd certainly miss the 757's if they all went.
planesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 802 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7047 times:
Quoting caaardiff (Reply 2): TOM had their 757 and 767 winglets installed as part of the 787 delay compensation from Boeing.
Absolutely the answer. Though strangley, the whole fleet hasn't received winglets and it is not necessarily the further the route or the more likely it has a full load, the more likely it has winglets!
Quoting flybehubby (Reply 4): I'm not sure that's the exact reason. The winglets must be cash positive relatively quickly or other airlines wouldn't have added them to their fleet in the numbers they have.
Scheduled airlines may be using the ability of the aircraft with winglets not to increase fuel economy or range, but to increase the revenue potential of any hold cargo. This would increase the return on investment of the winglets. However, the charter flights do not carry cargo on a regular basis.
sunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1758 posts, RR: 34 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6913 times:
Quoting Navigator (Reply 1): I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.
They won't spend the money on doing their fleet up or bringing in new aircraft, nevermind winglets. The fleet they have at the moment are always going tech, it's only the past couple of weeks where we've never had any delays in LCA. My folks flew DLM-NCL a few weeks ago and the aircraft seats were dropping to bits. Tables broken, seats not staying in the upright position etc.
AIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6828 times:
TCX have a large 757 fleet compared to the other types they operate but they really are begining to look tired within the cabin. Question is, does TCX have any fleet renewal or cabin renewal plans at all? You only have to look at what TOM did with their 57's and FCA with their 67's which, visually for the passenger, gave them a new lease of life. I'm a huge fan of Thomas Cook, I've used them alot over the past 4 years with very little upset, i just wish they would sort some their tired aircraft out.
picturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6732 times:
What is the TCX standardised short-haul cabin interior? I would imagine a few aircraft still have interiors from MYT days? or AIH days
I do agree the bottom line could be expense though, if they had sufficient cash surely new cabins would have been installed/refurbed. For now its probably best to keep what they currently have in good/ish nick.
Make sure they know we're playing the game, but we don't need to play the game because we've already won the game.
AIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6683 times:
Quoting picturethis (Reply 8): What is the TCX standardised short-haul cabin interior?
Of the TCX flights ive taken recently, on the A321, 757 & 767, they all had stantard economy navy leather seating with every other seat having a lighter blue leather insert at the head rest. No IFE as of this year either, bad times.
picturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6574 times:
Is that no short haul IFE at all, not even on the televisions?
This is an outrage
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picturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5775 times:
It's a good idea, PSP aswell, not some cheap alternative.
Fair play TCX I say.
Make sure they know we're playing the game, but we don't need to play the game because we've already won the game.
Garpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2302 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4457 times:
Only problem with the PSP is it does not have the power needed to pump out enough volume to get over the rumble of the engines, screaming kids and chatter.
I have one and used it with a very good set of in ear headphones on a TCX flight last year. I couldn't hear a damn thing even with the volume maxed out on the PSP.
Could hear explosions, shouting and screaming but no proper dialogue.
Just as well the films they showed were actually of interest to me.. so I turned my PSP off and plugged my headphones into the arm jack.
BALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 358 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4329 times:
TCX has two 757-300's which will be hanging around and these will be getting winglets early next year!
The three 767-300's already have them too.
As for the 757-200's they are slowly being returned off lease (as are some A320's) in preparation for the fleet renewal process so installing winglets wont make financial sense. Rember that you have to operate with them for long enough to recover the initial cost of taking the a/c out of service and the actual purchase of the set of wingletts.
BALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 358 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3967 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 15): Sorry, I might have missed something... what are they actually doing in the sense of fleet renewal?
It has not been announced yet, but watch this space........
nema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3920 times:
Was sad to hear when these aircraft were being fased out by Boeing and.. in another thread today we hear of the last BA 757 flight being this month i think.
Anyone have ideas on how long we will still see them doing the UK tour operator holiday runs as mentioned above. Thomson are getting the 78's as many know, guess that will be the demise of their 75's.
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bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 535 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3767 times:
Quoting Navigator (Reply 1): I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.
TCX's financial situation is fairly stable. The answer is more to do with the fact that the airline is removing its 757 fleet between 2012 and 2014, and the expense of fitting winglets to the airline's rather extensive fleet is simply not worth the return they would make in that time.
bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 535 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
Quoting AIH757 (Reply 23): Let the speculation begin......what would TCX replace their large 757 fleet with? Multiple types?
A321s mainly - they've recieved some special modifications to a few of their existing A321s from Airbus, (extended fuel tanks etc,) to try and boost the A321 range a little closer to the 757s. Once the 757s go, they will be fitting most (if not all) of their A321s with these measures. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see Sharklet TCX A321s in the future.
Some of the 757 routes (e.g the Canadian ones) will have to be replaced by their 767s.
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25 Garpd: Although there is no true replacement TCX will be replacing them with A321, as has been said. But they'll loose range and payload in the deal, regard
26 AIH757: Good call bueb0g, it would seem like the sensible course of action, Sharklet fitted A321s or dare i say........ NEO? haha. Plus with their 767 fleet
27 bAe146TOM: Unfortunately TCX have lost the canadianaffair contract this meaning all 757 flights to canada cease at the end of this season although the 330s will
28 danfearn77: I was under the impression that the 78's were replacing the 76's on long haul flights for TOM?
29 aidoair: They are. It's the 737-800s that is be the replacement of all airbus aircraft in the TOM fleet along with replacing many of the 757. Expect the 757 t
30 bueb0g: Now there's an intruiging idea! A TCX pilot I was talking to said Thomas Cook's management has spent a lot of time visiting both Tolouse and Seattle
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