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TCX 757-200s Why No Winglets?  
User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

Title explains it all really.... Why has TCX (Thomas Cook UK) not installed winglets on the 757-200 fleet? The aircraft seem to turn up in medium / long haul destinations quite a bit...certainly as much as TOM (Thomson Airways) who have installled the winglets.


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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1144 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.


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User currently offlinecaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

TOM had their 757 and 767 winglets installed as part of the 787 delay compensation from Boeing.
TCX don't have any 787's on order so couldn't take advantage.
I believe some of the 757's are coming to end of lease soon also and i don't think TCX are renewing as there are plans for a fleet order of new aircraft, type still not yet decided. About time too as they have a big mix of aircraft at the moment. A320's, A321's, 757's, 767's and A330-200's


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8831 times:

I always wondered the same thing, especially as TCX fly the 757s to Canada. I thought the reason they have 35" seat pitch in the Canada sub-fleet was due to range issues LGW-YYZ with a higher density typical charter configuration. With winglets they could possibly add at least another row of seats thus helping to recoup the installation cost faster. However if as stated above the 757s won't be around for much longer then I guess it doesn't make sense.


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User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8788 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 1):
I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.

I'm not sure that's the exact reason. The winglets must be cash positive relatively quickly or other airlines wouldn't have added them to their fleet in the numbers they have.

Quoting caaardiff (Reply 2):
I believe some of the 757's are coming to end of lease soon also and i don't think TCX are renewing as there are plans for a fleet order of new aircraft, type still not yet decided.

If reply 1 is to be believed, how can they afford a new fleet If they can't afford winglets?

Quoting caaardiff (Reply 2):
About time too as they have a big mix of aircraft at the moment. A320's, A321's, 757's, 767's and A330-200's

I'm not sold on this "one type fleet" story in charter airlines and i'd certainly miss the 757's if they all went.



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User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 815 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Quoting caaardiff (Reply 2):
TOM had their 757 and 767 winglets installed as part of the 787 delay compensation from Boeing.

Absolutely the answer. Though strangley, the whole fleet hasn't received winglets and it is not necessarily the further the route or the more likely it has a full load, the more likely it has winglets!

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 4):
I'm not sure that's the exact reason. The winglets must be cash positive relatively quickly or other airlines wouldn't have added them to their fleet in the numbers they have.

Scheduled airlines may be using the ability of the aircraft with winglets not to increase fuel economy or range, but to increase the revenue potential of any hold cargo. This would increase the return on investment of the winglets. However, the charter flights do not carry cargo on a regular basis.


User currently offlinesunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 1):
I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.

They won't spend the money on doing their fleet up or bringing in new aircraft, nevermind winglets. The fleet they have at the moment are always going tech, it's only the past couple of weeks where we've never had any delays in LCA. My folks flew DLM-NCL a few weeks ago and the aircraft seats were dropping to bits. Tables broken, seats not staying in the upright position etc.



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User currently offlineAIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

TCX have a large 757 fleet compared to the other types they operate but they really are begining to look tired within the cabin. Question is, does TCX have any fleet renewal or cabin renewal plans at all? You only have to look at what TOM did with their 57's and FCA with their 67's which, visually for the passenger, gave them a new lease of life. I'm a huge fan of Thomas Cook, I've used them alot over the past 4 years with very little upset, i just wish they would sort some their tired aircraft out.


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User currently offlinepicturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

What is the TCX standardised short-haul cabin interior? I would imagine a few aircraft still have interiors from MYT days? or AIH days  

I do agree the bottom line could be expense though, if they had sufficient cash surely new cabins would have been installed/refurbed. For now its probably best to keep what they currently have in good/ish nick.



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User currently offlineAIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

Quoting picturethis (Reply 8):
What is the TCX standardised short-haul cabin interior?

Of the TCX flights ive taken recently, on the A321, 757 & 767, they all had stantard economy navy leather seating with every other seat having a lighter blue leather insert at the head rest. No IFE as of this year either, bad times.

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User currently offlinepicturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

Is that no short haul IFE at all, not even on the televisions?

This is an outrage



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User currently offlineMattUK From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

Quoting picturethis (Reply 10):
Is that no short haul IFE at all, not even on the televisions?

This is an outrage

They rent out handheld personal PSPs preloaded with 8 flims, 7 TV programmes and games. Full details via the link below.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...nflight-entertainment-2000815.html


User currently offlinepicturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

It's a good idea, PSP aswell, not some cheap alternative.

Fair play TCX I say.



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User currently offlineGarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6022 times:

Only problem with the PSP is it does not have the power needed to pump out enough volume to get over the rumble of the engines, screaming kids and chatter.
I have one and used it with a very good set of in ear headphones on a TCX flight last year. I couldn't hear a damn thing even with the volume maxed out on the PSP.

Could hear explosions, shouting and screaming but no proper dialogue.

Just as well the films they showed were actually of interest to me.. so I turned my PSP off and plugged my headphones into the arm jack.



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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5894 times:

TCX has two 757-300's which will be hanging around and these will be getting winglets early next year!

The three 767-300's already have them too.


As for the 757-200's they are slowly being returned off lease (as are some A320's) in preparation for the fleet renewal process so installing winglets wont make financial sense. Rember that you have to operate with them for long enough to recover the initial cost of taking the a/c out of service and the actual purchase of the set of wingletts.

It's ok for TOM they essentially got theirs free!


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Quoting BALandorLivery (Reply 14):
they are slowly being returned off lease (as are some A320's) in preparation for the fleet renewal process

Sorry, I might have missed something... what are they actually doing in the sense of fleet renewal?

Quoting AIH757 (Reply 7):
they really are begining to look tired within the cabin

Definitely! Flew with them last year and both the 757 and A321 were in a pretty tatty state!


User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 15):
Sorry, I might have missed something... what are they actually doing in the sense of fleet renewal?

It has not been announced yet, but watch this space........


User currently offlinenema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

Was sad to hear when these aircraft were being fased out by Boeing and.. in another thread today we hear of the last BA 757 flight being this month i think.

Anyone have ideas on how long we will still see them doing the UK tour operator holiday runs as mentioned above. Thomson are getting the 78's as many know, guess that will be the demise of their 75's.



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

There's still Jet2 as well, plus have all the Monarch ones now gone?


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User currently offlineAIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Quoting BALandorLivery (Reply 16):
It has not been announced yet, but watch this space........

Any idea how long we will have to watch?  
Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 18):
There's still Jet2 as well, plus have all the Monarch ones now gone?

I believe Monarch still have 3 active in their fleet, i dont know how long for though.

AIH757


User currently offlinenema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

I,m Flying Thomson in December from Gatwick to Aswan, hoping it will be a 757.


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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting AIH757 (Reply 19):
Any idea how long we will have to watch?

Should be announced before the end of the year.


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 1):
I think the answer that comes to mind is that their financial status does not leave any room for such an investment.

TCX's financial situation is fairly stable. The answer is more to do with the fact that the airline is removing its 757 fleet between 2012 and 2014, and the expense of fitting winglets to the airline's rather extensive fleet is simply not worth the return they would make in that time.



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User currently offlineAIH757 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

Quoting BALandorLivery (Reply 21):
Should be announced before the end of the year.

Let the speculation begin......what would TCX replace their large 757 fleet with? Multiple types?


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

Quoting AIH757 (Reply 23):
Let the speculation begin......what would TCX replace their large 757 fleet with? Multiple types?

A321s mainly - they've recieved some special modifications to a few of their existing A321s from Airbus, (extended fuel tanks etc,) to try and boost the A321 range a little closer to the 757s. Once the 757s go, they will be fitting most (if not all) of their A321s with these measures. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see Sharklet TCX A321s in the future.

Some of the 757 routes (e.g the Canadian ones) will have to be replaced by their 767s.



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25 Garpd : Although there is no true replacement TCX will be replacing them with A321, as has been said. But they'll loose range and payload in the deal, regard
26 AIH757 : Good call bueb0g, it would seem like the sensible course of action, Sharklet fitted A321s or dare i say........ NEO? haha. Plus with their 767 fleet
27 bAe146TOM : Unfortunately TCX have lost the canadianaffair contract this meaning all 757 flights to canada cease at the end of this season although the 330s will
28 danfearn77 : I was under the impression that the 78's were replacing the 76's on long haul flights for TOM?
29 aidoair : They are. It's the 737-800s that is be the replacement of all airbus aircraft in the TOM fleet along with replacing many of the 757. Expect the 757 t
30 bueb0g : Now there's an intruiging idea! A TCX pilot I was talking to said Thomas Cook's management has spent a lot of time visiting both Tolouse and Seattle
31 APYu : It will be a 737-800
32 APYu : Apologies, its an A320
33 planesailing : Aircraft G-OOPX operated this mornings flight.
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