Dash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
Gulf Air is evaluating the Cseries, Ejets and A318 to augment its regional capacity. It is looking for 90-110 seats aircraft.
I find is surprising that it consider the C while not considering the MRJ. If it can wait a few years before getting the first frame then the MRJ might fulfill their need efficiently as well.
As for the A318 the only reason to order it that I can think off is if Gulf can get cheap used frames from Frontier or LAN that are dumping them.
Since they already operate E170 and E190 I believe Embraer has better chances to get it. It might also depends on when Gulf needs the frames, now (A318/Ejets) or 2014 (Cseries)?
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3348 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter): Gulf Air is evaluating the Cseries, Ejets and A318 to augment its regional capacity. It is looking for 90-110 seats aircraft.
I find is surprising that it consider the C while not considering the MRJ. If it can wait a few years before getting the first frame then the MRJ might fulfill their need efficiently as well.
As for the A318 the only reason to order it that I can think off is if Gulf can get cheap used frames from Frontier or LAN that are dumping them.
Since they already operate E170 and E190 I believe Embraer has better chances to get it. It might also depends on when Gulf needs the frames, now (A318/Ejets) or 2014 (Cseries)?
Surely this is EMbraer's one to lose. Does the C-Series offer drastically improved economics over and above the E-Jets?
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3892 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2077 times:
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 1): Surely this is EMbraer's one to lose. Does the C-Series offer drastically improved economics over and above the E-Jets?
I would tend to think so, but I believe the E-jets were acquired on lease as a test for the regional market, not necessarily as "the solution".
If the CSeries is close to meeting the hype, and the GTF engine is as reliable as what P&W seem to be claiming, then yes, it will beat the E-jet by quite a bit. Mind you, nothing to stop Embraer from adopting the GTF either. There should be more than enough ground clearance -- unlike the 73G.
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1015 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
There are 2 problems with the E-Jets when operated by GF: Baggage and Heat.
GCC people pack a lot when they go travelling. Outside Nigerians, I struggle to recall anyone who (generally speaking) pack that much. The E170 is regularly unable to hold all checked luggage, and that doesn't sit well with the SLF.
The E190 could, volume wise, hold all baggage checked-in on a "normal" flight, but doing so will exceed weight limits in hot conditions - and we all know the ME is very, very hot for most of the year. The end result is, again, off-loaded bags and angry passengers.
It's hardly surprising, knowing the incompetence of GF upper management, that they bought (or leased) not only one, but two dogs. There's nothing wrong with either the E170 or E190 per se, they're just utterly useless for GF.
From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
Fly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 972 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1834 times:
Do you guys think that maybe... just maybe that with QR considering the C-Series that... the Canadians may consider daily flight rights for QR into YYZ?
JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5123 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4): Do you guys think that maybe... just maybe that with QR considering the C-Series that... the Canadians may consider daily flight rights for QR into YYZ?
They may get it even if they don't buy the CSeries. It would both alleviate any perceived lack of service to the Gulf and poke the Emirates in the eye with one fell swoop.
On the other hand, Al Baker can be a huge pain in the butt to deal with so it may end up just opening another can of worms but what's life without conflict, eh...?
777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5281 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3): GCC people pack a lot when they go travelling. Outside Nigerians, I struggle to recall anyone who (generally speaking) pack that much.
Fly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 972 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 6):
Then you have not seen South Asian's travelling.
Agreed! When working at YYZ and see AI checking in for instance... wow the ratio of cart to passenger is incredible! lol.. soo many bags soooo many bags. Well I gotta say the Filipinos are fairly bad too with their Balikpapan boxes... or Portuguese too carrying on everything including the kitchen sink.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3892 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1475 times:
Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4): Do you guys think that maybe... just maybe that with QR considering the C-Series that... the Canadians may consider daily flight rights for QR into YYZ?
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5): They may get it even if they don't buy the CSeries. It would both alleviate any perceived lack of service to the Gulf and poke the Emirates in the eye with one fell swoop.
On the other hand, Al Baker can be a huge pain in the butt to deal with so it may end up just opening another can of worms but what's life without conflict, eh...?
I think QR's possible order for CSeries is definitely tied into access to YYZ, and, yes, it would tend to alleviate 'lack of service' to the gulf.
Quoting 777way (Reply 6): Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
GCC people pack a lot when they go travelling. Outside Nigerians, I struggle to recall anyone who (generally speaking) pack that much.
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