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FI: Gulf Air To Pick New RJ Vendor Soon  
User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Gulf Air is evaluating the Cseries, Ejets and A318 to augment its regional capacity. It is looking for 90-110 seats aircraft.

I find is surprising that it consider the C while not considering the MRJ. If it can wait a few years before getting the first frame then the MRJ might fulfill their need efficiently as well.

As for the A318 the only reason to order it that I can think off is if Gulf can get cheap used frames from Frontier or LAN that are dumping them.


Since they already operate E170 and E190 I believe Embraer has better chances to get it. It might also depends on when Gulf needs the frames, now (A318/Ejets) or 2014 (Cseries)?


source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-types-for-regional-jet-fleet.html

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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
Gulf Air is evaluating the Cseries, Ejets and A318 to augment its regional capacity. It is looking for 90-110 seats aircraft.

I find is surprising that it consider the C while not considering the MRJ. If it can wait a few years before getting the first frame then the MRJ might fulfill their need efficiently as well.

As for the A318 the only reason to order it that I can think off is if Gulf can get cheap used frames from Frontier or LAN that are dumping them.


Since they already operate E170 and E190 I believe Embraer has better chances to get it. It might also depends on when Gulf needs the frames, now (A318/Ejets) or 2014 (Cseries)?

Surely this is EMbraer's one to lose. Does the C-Series offer drastically improved economics over and above the E-Jets?

AA1818



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 1):
Surely this is EMbraer's one to lose. Does the C-Series offer drastically improved economics over and above the E-Jets?

I would tend to think so, but I believe the E-jets were acquired on lease as a test for the regional market, not necessarily as "the solution".

If the CSeries is close to meeting the hype, and the GTF engine is as reliable as what P&W seem to be claiming, then yes, it will beat the E-jet by quite a bit. Mind you, nothing to stop Embraer from adopting the GTF either. There should be more than enough ground clearance -- unlike the 73G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G

http://www.purepowerengine.com/

CSeries also offers rather more range than the E-jets, so that's a factor as well.

If Gulf do go for the CSeries, that may in turn influence QR's final decision on their smaller regional a/c.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

There are 2 problems with the E-Jets when operated by GF: Baggage and Heat.

GCC people pack a lot when they go travelling. Outside Nigerians, I struggle to recall anyone who (generally speaking) pack that much. The E170 is regularly unable to hold all checked luggage, and that doesn't sit well with the SLF.

The E190 could, volume wise, hold all baggage checked-in on a "normal" flight, but doing so will exceed weight limits in hot conditions - and we all know the ME is very, very hot for most of the year. The end result is, again, off-loaded bags and angry passengers.

It's hardly surprising, knowing the incompetence of GF upper management, that they bought (or leased) not only one, but two dogs. There's nothing wrong with either the E170 or E190 per se, they're just utterly useless for GF.



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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Do you guys think that maybe... just maybe that with QR considering the C-Series that... the Canadians may consider daily flight rights for QR into YYZ?

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4):
Do you guys think that maybe... just maybe that with QR considering the C-Series that... the Canadians may consider daily flight rights for QR into YYZ?

They may get it even if they don't buy the CSeries. It would both alleviate any perceived lack of service to the Gulf and poke the Emirates in the eye with one fell swoop.

On the other hand, Al Baker can be a huge pain in the butt to deal with so it may end up just opening another can of worms but what's life without conflict, eh...?



What the...?
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
GCC people pack a lot when they go travelling. Outside Nigerians, I struggle to recall anyone who (generally speaking) pack that much.

Then you have not seen South Asian's travelling.

[Edited 2010-10-25 22:31:02]

User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 6):

Then you have not seen South Asian's travelling.

Agreed! When working at YYZ and see AI checking in for instance... wow the ratio of cart to passenger is incredible! lol.. soo many bags soooo many bags. Well I gotta say the Filipinos are fairly bad too with their Balikpapan boxes... or Portuguese too carrying on everything including the kitchen sink.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 days ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4):
Do you guys think that maybe... just maybe that with QR considering the C-Series that... the Canadians may consider daily flight rights for QR into YYZ?
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5):
They may get it even if they don't buy the CSeries. It would both alleviate any perceived lack of service to the Gulf and poke the Emirates in the eye with one fell swoop.

On the other hand, Al Baker can be a huge pain in the butt to deal with so it may end up just opening another can of worms but what's life without conflict, eh...?

I think QR's possible order for CSeries is definitely tied into access to YYZ, and, yes, it would tend to alleviate 'lack of service' to the gulf.

Quoting 777way (Reply 6):
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
GCC people pack a lot when they go travelling. Outside Nigerians, I struggle to recall anyone who (generally speaking) pack that much.

Then you have not seen South Asian's travelling.

Or Filipinos. Try being at YWG around Christmas.



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