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Could MAN Become A Major International Hub?  
User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 9490 times:
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Hi all,

This is a purly hypothetical question but I thought I would put it out there and see what you think. I was thinking about potential markets of a northern uk airport like MAN or GLA and thought the following.

Given the increasing business and leisure traffic running from eastern Europe and the middle east going to the Uk and the states, is there an opportunity for an airline like BMI to develop a market serving these markets from east to west through MAN?

1) MAN could compete on the long haul east west routes. For example, flying from Dubai to Los Angeles is 16 hours so an hour or two transfer could actually be a welcome break and the cost of ULH mean that a change of planes could actually be good for the wallet too. Even Doha to New York is 14 hours and there are numerous similar long haul routes that MAN / BMI could compete on.

2) For passengers starting / ending their journey at MAN there is already a growing demand. Middle eastern arilines (specifically Emirates and Qatar) and American airlines (Delta, US, United / Continental) do well on each end of this route and IIRC Ethiad and PIA do something similar currently through MAN. Star alliance does somewhat have the routes covered but this would add extra competition outside London / direct to hub.

So, is this a market that an airline like BMI and an airport like MAN could develop?

Sandyb123


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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

If there ever was to be growth in the form of a long haul hub at MAN i doubt it would be from BMI. Being a Lufthansa company their priority would either be to ensure the safeguarding of their home hubs through feed or a larger presence at Heathrow to fight BA- one of their largest competitors. I think we would see BD improving their position at LHR before considering MAN.

As for connecting opportunities, what would BD offer which any other airlines can not? The more established airlines offer enough opportunity, that is not to say we wont see any growth, maybe under LH- BD can make a success of their attempts at long haul ex MAN with smaller point to point aircraft (787).



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 9431 times:
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Quoting Ammunition (Reply 1):
doubt it would be from BMI

I guess the question was more about the airport than the airline.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7681 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 2):
I guess the question was more about the airport than the airline.

But if you are discussing flights through MAN connecting the Middle East to North America it would only work if those flights were operated by a single airline or, perhaps, two airlines who were members of a single alliance coordinating their flights.

Therefore if we are considering MAN as a possible connecting hub with two or more airlines operating in a single alliance to create that hub, you need to ask if Star would wish to set up a hub to compete with FRA, if oneworld wants a new hub to compete with LHR and MAD or if Skyteam would be happy to see MAN competing with AMS and CDG for transfer business.

If the answers to the above are all 'No' then the answer to the lead question will also be, 'No' unless you are talking of a single airline. That airline would not be a member of Star, oneworld or Skyteam.

How about VS?.But what would Star member and 49 per cent owner of VS, SQ have to say?


User currently onlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 9016 times:
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Of course MAN would have had a hub of sorts but some crap airline prefers routing all passengers over LHR, even those going to CDG and other European cities when they had a network here or deciding for passengers that instead of going on a non-stop JFK route from MAN they'd get them to route via LHR.And that airline that has obstructed airlines in the past from starting MAN ops and encouraged it's partner airlines to rein in it's MAN ops in favour of routing everyone via LHR.

User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24960 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8966 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
Of course MAN would have had a hub of sorts but some crap airline prefers routing all passengers over LHR,

Surely the same thing applies to airlines routing all passengers through AMS, CDG, and DXB?



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User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

If MAN is to become a big transfer hub firstly it needs an airside walkway between T1 and T2 I think. Would make connections a lot easier. Wasnt this in the pipe line?

As for MAN becoming a big hub, I'm not so sure. We have LHR, AMS, FRA et al who can do that job for you. take LH/BD. Why set up a hub at great expense when they can fly you to FRA/LHR and connect you through there.

Has anyone got figures for connecting pax at MAN? It does happen, obviously. One of the more common I think is AF/KLM pax arriving for the DL flights to JFK/ATL.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

MAN suffers the same fate as many secondary cities in the world. It is overshadowed by its larger neighbour, in this case London, which means that airlines will chase the higher yields there.

MEL (Australia), GIG (Brazil) and CPT (South Africa) are all examples of this also, where airlines are all too keen to start flights to their larger neighbours (SYD, GRU and JNB respectively), especially by their national carriers.

At the end of the day, airlines try and reduce costs, and maintain higher frequencies via 1 market, so routing pax via a main hub is a typical practice.

MAN will suffer into the longer term from the shadow effect, as airlines will look at boosting their London flights before going north. That's where they see the demand and the yields being highest, so they will chase it. The true test is getting carriers to see the potential of moving out of the saturation zone and looking at bypassing the congested markets. MAN can be a hub of the north, as it already is, but its appeal will be less bright than London would.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

In the current climate of consolidation, I doubt any alliance/airline is eager to set up a new hub. This is a pity, since the MAN area does provide significant O/D of its own, and bypassing LHR is anything but a bad idea. If I were BD, I would sell ALL LHR slots ( but a few needed for connections of other Star flights ) and totally focus on MAN, try to get as many connections to Scandinavia as possible into MAN. I know many peple from the London area even would prefer to use Man over Hellthrow...

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
Of course MAN would have had a hub of sorts but some crap airline prefers routing all passengers over LHR, even those going to CDG and other European cities when they had a network here or deciding for passengers that instead of going on a non-stop JFK route from MAN they'd get them to route via LHR.And that airline that has obstructed airlines in the past from starting MAN ops and encouraged it's partner airlines to rein in it's MAN ops in favour of routing everyone via LHR.

I think what David is saying is that he likes hubs but only ones in Manchester. Anyone choosing to hub elsewhere is a "crap airline". Would you like some salt for your chip?

The lack of commercial acumen on here is a bit scary!


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

If the decision to withdraw from the area and to concentrate to one airport only was a good decision is open to discussion.

MAN could be for BA what MUC is for LH. BA decided against this. That is why the potential of MAN is not used currently. Question is, if anybody wants to kiss this sleeping beauty...


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 8532 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):
MAN could be for BA what MUC is for LH. BA decided against this. That is why the potential of MAN is not used currently. Question is, if anybody wants to kiss this sleeping beauty...

I'm sorry, but I don't see the case for this claim. MUC's catchment area has loads of companies doing business internationally, and is one of the Top 10 richest regions in the EU according to Eurostat. Oberbayern for example has a GDP per capita that is 164% of the EU average (€41,000 per head of population).

Here are the numbers for the 5 regions that are reasonably close to Manchester:

Region, GDP per capita, % of EU average

East Midlands (England) 25,700 103.0 %
West Midlands (England) 24,800 99.6 %
North West (England) 24,700 99.2 %
Yorkshire & the Humber 24,300 97.5 %
North East (England) 22,500 90.4 %


All statistics are in Euros and based on 2007 numbers.


Manchester is simply not strong enough economically to support the sort of O&D traffic you need to build a large network from the city.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
The lack of commercial acumen on here is a bit scary!

You've just become the first entry on my Respected Users list! It never ceases to amaze me how many threads get posted around here to which the only honest answer is "It won't happen because it would be financial suicide."

[Edited 2010-10-26 03:49:37]


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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

MAN is not short of passengers with its massive catchment area. When times were good in the 80s a lot of international airlines were sending in their heavy metal to mop that up.

Based on sheer passenger numbers available MAN does have the potential to be a hub. With smaller capacity long range aircraft becoming the norm MAN has loads of potential. It just needs an airline with commitment.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):
"It won't happen because it would be financial suicide."

That idea is only saved for airlines considering the A380. Indeed, how wrong they are.  


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 8277 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):
Here are the numbers for the 5 regions that are reasonably close to Manchester:

Region, GDP per capita, % of EU average

East Midlands (England) 25,700 103.0 %
West Midlands (England) 24,800 99.6 %
North West (England) 24,700 99.2 %
Yorkshire & the Humber 24,300 97.5 %
North East (England) 22,500 90.4 %

Well, precisely. As soon as the UK economy re-aligns away from being 'bottom-heavy' i.e. MASSIVELY skewed towards the South East, then we might start to see adequate yields from non-southern airports to support the possible outcome of a non-London hub. It's doubtful that this will happen within my lifetime, but at least the powers that be in the UK have realised that we have to start manufacturing again, instead of relying almost solely on the financial and service sector.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 8214 times:

MAN won't work for BA, but if someone wants to copy 9W's scissor hub concept, MAN is definitely ripe for the picking :

1. reasonable catchment area and local economy
2. absolutely lacking an incumbent (cheapo fares on Ryanair don't care)
3. Perfect placement between the MiddleEast/India and North America, if you don't need European connectivity

I would say Kingfisher is the perfect candidate - BA can code share on most of those routes between India-MAN-US and India-MAN-Canada. Leverage oneworld partnership without intruding your partner's home turf (since BA neglects MAN anyway).

On the other hand, i can't picture any of the Big 3 in the middle east to consider a scissor hub, since THEIR home airport is THE global scissor hub (esp since the advent of the 77L)


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 8156 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 13):
the powers that be in the UK have realised that we have to start manufacturing again, instead of relying almost solely on the financial and service sector.

I think in the real world we'll never see any great return to mass manufacturing in the UK. When someone overseas can do the same job for a fraction of the cost, we're not competitive. High tech yes, mass market....not really.

Quoting babybus (Reply 12):
When times were good in the 80s a lot of international airlines were sending in their heavy metal to mop that up.

Many of you are failing to understand the way things have changed. In the good old days anyone wanting a piece of the market had to serve MAN with their own metal. Nowadays with the arrival of the Alliances and ever closer union between partners, that is no longer the case. Hence Air Canada, Cathay, QANTAS et al served over Heathrow with feed from MAN. For the love of God it is not a massive BA conspiracy to do down MAN, a fine airport I might add, it's commercial reality.

Emirates are non aligned, QATAR and Etihad are non aligned hence their own metal and excellent business model. The legacy carries are all aligned within their respective alliances.


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 8108 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
I think in the real world we'll never see any great return to mass manufacturing in the UK. When someone overseas can do the same job for a fraction of the cost, we're not competitive. High tech yes, mass market....not really.

I wasn't really talking about mass market stuff, more high tech and new industries, as you suggest. Wasn't there a story recently about the blades for off-shore wind farms having to be imported because we don't yet have the capacity to produce the things, never mind export them!

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
Emirates are non aligned, QATAR and Etihad are non aligned hence their own metal and excellent business model. The legacy carries are all aligned within their respective alliances.

To my mind, if regional UK economies (including Glasgow!) have the connectivity that the likes of EK, DL and CO provide, then there isn't really an issue. Although as you're aware, the biggest of them all (North West/Yorkshire) does need added connectivity to places like Hong Kong and China, which will come in time, I'm sure.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 16):
does need added connectivity to places like Hong Kong and China, which will come in time, I'm sure.

If we're being honest what you want to see is Chinese airlines at Manchester. That's not the same thing as added connectivity. Does anyone really think BA have got Cathay in a headlock preventing them re-starting MAN?

Even Air China only run a single A330 to Heathrow, with China Eastern having just re-started a four weekly service to Shanghai. With China Airlines at three weekly TPE-LHR and new to the UK market, I don't really see any of these guys pitching up at MAN before they upscale at Heathrow.

As for MAN being a hub, it's clearly not. It's a spoke and a good one. It feeds STAR at ZRH, GVA, FRA, MUC et al. It feeds oneworld and STAR at LHR with Skyteam hubbing through CDG and AMS.
It is an important spoke for Emirates, Qatar and Etihad. None of this makes it a hub.
The only real feed into MAN is from the UK regions like ABZ, GLA and EDI who also feed way more through London.

Again I'm not getting at MAN or it's supporters, I'm trying to set out the commercial reality of the situation. BA tried the hub approach at MAN and were destroyed when the market preferred point to point loco.

[Edited 2010-10-26 07:15:09]

User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
If we're being honest what you want to see is Chinese airlines at Manchester

No, that's not what I want to see, just for the sake of seeing different airlines at Manchester. Please don't denigrate or misinterpret what I say, I find it offensive.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

What exactly do you want to see then?
I mean what is your realstic aim for the goal you aim for? I am actually curious. Don't be offended at robust debate, there was nothing personal directed at you. If there was, please quote it or report it to the mods.

Incidentally I just remembered Aer Lingus used to hub at MAN. Must be getting old, that didn't work either and the world and company are unrecognisable.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

A major intl hub, no. A more important international gateway than it is today, yes. The London airports have no growth possibilities for political reasons, so MAN needs to try to grab some of the air travel growth that LON will not be able to accomodate in the coming years, and promote itself as the more efficient alternative to the hopeless LHR.

As for BA returning... I agree the comparison to LH and FRA-MUC is not applicable here. But IB is returning to BCN, which is a somewhat more comparable case, so who knows. ATI and the merger open up new possibilities.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 14):
BA can code share on most of those routes between India-MAN-US and India-MAN-Canada. Leverage oneworld partnership without intruding your partner's home turf (since BA neglects MAN anyway).

What's in this for BA again? They take passengers from their own transatlantic services and Indian services and get someone else to fly them over Manchester? I must be missing something here. How does this make BA money?

Also worth mentioning that this weeks Air India business model of hubbing in FRA has just been dumped as with the 77L they don't need to, added to the fact it wasn't working either.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 21):
What's in this for BA again? They take passengers from their own transatlantic services and Indian services and get someone else to fly them over Manchester? I must be missing something here. How does this make BA money?

Also worth mentioning that this weeks Air India business model of hubbing in FRA has just been dumped as with the 77L they don't need to, added to the fact it wasn't working either.

What's in it for BA? Lock in UK passengers within oneworld before they defect to the middle east carriers (perfect example - see eager ?

AI couldn't do FRA could easily be explained by (1) weak and tarnished brand, (2) invading your primary partner's turf, (3) FRA is already saturated so you're peeling off the lowest yield bottom feeders, and (4) the wrong route - seriously, they think they can survive ORD-FRA ???


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 22):
What's in it for BA? Lock in UK passengers within oneworld before they defect to the middle east carriers (perfect example - see eager ?

Why would they defect given the premier option is Terminal5 at Heathrow where they've spent millions? What will MAN add to that that the investment at LHR lacks? I thought your model was India -MAN-USA. They already serve this themselves over London with a multi million pound capital investment program. The new BA B77Ws are on LHR-India and LHR-USA. I ask again. Why would be want these people to fly on another carrier over another airport. That's not a good idea and flies on the face of history. I would put Kingfisher up there with Mexicana as a Oneworld partner.

Their business model is chaotically amateurish and Indian.


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5196 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7767 times:

With Skyteam a distant third among the alliances (at LHR), growing at MAN may be a good option to expand in the UK. Flybe is in bed with AF, so there's a natural feeder carrier right there. MAN wont become Heathrow-NW but its an option.

[Edited 2010-10-26 09:17:20]


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25 oly720man : Would MAN have been considered an EI hub or just the last stop before DUB/first stop after DUB? For many years other airlines operated xxx-MAN-DUB in
26 flyingalex : It's an often-repeated point here on A.net, but somehow the message seldom gets through: high loads does not necessarily mean high yields. The same t
27 dstc47 : Yes, many many moons ago EI developed services out of MAN to closer European cities, and spent a lot trying to encourage the business, with some cons
28 skipness1E : So you're saying that EI closed a profitable hub all because of big bad BA? Again? Are you sure it wasn't because they didn't replace all of the older
29 huaiwei : If the might of London could not allow any of LHR's sister airports to become truly viable alternatives to serve the London long-haul market, I fail t
30 OzarkD9S : I didn't say they "needed" MAN as a hub. The opportunity is there, however, and ST is a distant 3rd at LHR in alliance terms, and MAN could feed the
31 flyingalex : I think that growing the network is a smarter idea for SkyTeam than trying to grow MAN. Their unique selling point at the moment is that they can pic
32 dstc47 : No, it was never a hub, hubs having not been invented. In April 1966 EI rights to BRU were withdrawn because of a decision by BEA / SN to operate in
33 david_itl : What David says is that BA flung obstacles in it's way, hoodwinked MAN into spending money in redeveloping Pier A into a dedicated terminal named T1B
34 AADC10 : If some airline moved in an tried to build a hub at MAN it is possible but unlikely. As has been pointed out it is overshadowed by LHR and the other L
35 Navigator : Manchester would in that respect compete with well functioning airports like Amsterdam, Munich etc and I seriously doubt it can be done without major
36 FlyCaledonian : If MAN could be a major airline hub why has VS seriously never set up a hub operation there? All its longhaul flying is O&D traffic, and much of t
37 david_itl : Let's see currently we have : VS 3, BA 0. So compared to BA, VS have a major operation out of MAN. I guess BA Holidays have never heard of MAN then.
38 LX138 : How is it hopeless? Have you been to MAN? It's not the 3rd world, it's still significant in standing on a European scale. It's not the most user-frie
39 Post contains images sandyb123 : Hi guys. I think this is a really interesting debate. I'm glad I posted Despite all the negative points (all of which are valid) I do see an opportuni
40 planesarecool : Why would anybody from London ever consider getting a train to Manchester to fly long haul when they have probably the biggest choice of any city in
41 sandyb123 : Price.
42 skipness1E : I agree but isn't this history. BA was killed at MAN by having a legacy cost base and more powerful voices within the company saying that the same as
43 flyingalex : Yes, smaller aircraft will bring more longhaul services to MAN, but I don't see it becoming more than the spoke it currently is. There will definitel
44 planesarecool : Well it would have to be at least 150GBP cheaper for me to even consider trecking up to Manchester, and fares that low aren't going to be profitable.
45 Alias1024 : This topic has been discussed in the multiple threads about BMI and it's future over the last few years. Some feel that they should have moved their f
46 KennyK : I was talking to a lady yesterday in Lincoln who wants to fly to her family in Australia for visit, she wanted to fly Qantas but doesn't like LHR. I s
47 vv701 : Sounds good. But if the price is low then the yields are low and much of this discusion is effectively about the low yields that BA obtained when the
48 mogandoCI : The defection comes from local MAN passengers, not the LON based ones. I'm sure tons of people prefer to go straight from MAN as opposed to 1-stop vi
49 Viscount724 : Most passengers prefer nonstop flights regardless of duration. And by far the majority of passengers between DXB/AUH/DOH and North America are connec
50 sandyb123 : I think that what would be proposed would have to take people from their local airports direct to MAN and onwards to their destination east / west. A
51 iainbhx : I used to when it was worth my while to split my travel between LHR and BHX for Exec Club maximization. When they dropped to BA CONnect, I switched t
52 skipness1E : Have you ever been to Manchester? Telll you what, go for a day. Count the number of BA operated aircraft vs the number of VS operated aircraft and co
53 skipness1E : OK let's assume mogandoCL on the internet is right . Why hasn't it happened in the last decade then? Could it be because analytical modelling showed
54 tom355uk : This topic has reared it's head more times than I can count in one thread or another, and I am as guilty as others for calling out BA as 'London Airwa
55 LN-KGL : For an airport to become a hub, the airport need an anline that calls it its home airport. MAN don't have a reciding airline, and hence will never bec
56 david_itl : So happy to get them down to London and not operate out of MAN itself. Therein lies the problem. Those with peas for brains thinks this is fine and d
57 danfearn77 : And therein lies the problem with MAN. You have hit the nail on the head. My parents were happy to go to SYD via LHR simply because they didnt know t
58 skipness1E : David you offer nothing but localism and name calling. Can you account for the failure of BMI at MAN? Clearly they must be idiots too? Why have Luftha
59 danfearn77 : To be fair BMI made a judgement, rash or otherwise, to move the 330's to LHR to try their luck down there. As it turns out it hasnt worked for them.
60 LX138 : Culturally people are always more likely to want to change in their own country than go via a hub in Europe as it removes any perceived 'hassle' or '
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