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What Happened To Pan Am Airlines Fleet?  
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15244 times:

This is along the lines of my What happened to Eastern fleet.

A300 - A couple came back for that mid 1990s attempt at bringing back Pan Am, I am sure others went to international carriers

A310 - Many went to Delta after the Euro routes were bought, but where did rest go and the Delta A310s go?

A320 - There were 20 on order or so at the time they went belly up. Did Northwest or United pick those up or someone else?

727 - Didn't some end up with Delta? How about the immitationPan Am that was active in the late 1990s early 2000s?

737-200???

747-100/200 - Several went to United after they took over the Pacific routes

747SP - went to United after Pacific routes

L1011 - the Infamous PUDS - Pan Am to United to Delta to Scrapyard (Any PUDs still flying somewhere else?)

DC-10s from National? went to United?

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User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15176 times:

Here's what I do know of:

A310s went to DL with the Atlantic routes, DL sold them to FedEx in the mid-to-late 90s (don't remember exact year).

A320s were scheduled for delivery in 1989, PA sold the slots to Braniff II during the post-Lockerbie cash crisis. BN only took delivery of two or three before they went belly up. These and the remaining slots went to America West, and subsequently US Airways.

Most of the 741s ended up in the scrap heap shortly after PA's demise, but I think some of the 742s are still hauling cargo somewhere.

PA sent all but one DC-10 to AA around 1983/84 in exchange for AA's 741s. The remaining DC-10 went to UA with the Pacific routes.



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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15102 times:

Same as Eastern, Only factory delivered


http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.p...e=PAA&al_former=1&al_del=1&start=0


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15097 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
L1011 - the Infamous PUDS - Pan Am to United to Delta to Scrapyard (Any PUDs still flying somewhere else?)


Pan Am bought twelve (12) L-1011-500 TriStars from Lockheed: Delta ended up with eight (8) of them, the RAF three (3) and LTU one (1).

The three (3) RAF TriStars are still in service and several of the ex-Delta airframes are still in storage at Victorville.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15050 times:

Quoting 747buff (Reply 1):
A310s went to DL with the Atlantic routes, DL sold them to FedEx in the mid-to-late 90s (don't remember exact year).

That is right, now I do remember Fed Ex getting them from there. I am assuming the A300s might have taken that route too.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15033 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):
Same as Eastern, Only factory delivered


http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.p...art=0

Thanks again. I guess this is for all airlines. I was thinking when you posted it for Eastern it was just a special Eastern site.

I forgot about some of the 747s going to Tower Air. I guess I will have to look up National Airlines to find out what happened to the other aircraft in Pan Am


User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14989 times:

Pan American World Airways  


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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14920 times:

Quoting 747buff (Reply 1):
PA sent all but one DC-10 to AA around 1983/84 in exchange for AA's 741s. The remaining DC-10 went to UA with the Pacific routes.

Why did PA keep a single DC-10? I'm by no means an expert, but something doesn't seem right about keeping spare parts, trained crews, etc for a single aircraft...so, there must have been some sort of special reason; what was it?

Thanks!



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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14896 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 7):
Why did PA keep a single DC-10? I'm by no means an expert, but something doesn't seem right about keeping spare parts, trained crews, etc for a single aircraft...so, there must have been some sort of special reason; what was it?

They Didn't. The last -30 for National was delivered after the merger and went straight into storage. It was purchased by United some time later.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14880 times:

PUD's. Thats what we called a few of our L10-11's.
From PanAm Then United then Delta.


User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14861 times:

Some of the Delta A310's went to Air Jamaica too. I just don't know if any of these were ex-Pan Am or if those were the birds delivered straight to DL...

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14747 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 4):
Quoting 747buff (Reply 1):
A310s went to DL with the Atlantic routes, DL sold them to FedEx in the mid-to-late 90s (don't remember exact year).

That is right, now I do remember Fed Ex getting them from there. I am assuming the A300s might have taken that route too.

Some of the A310's did go to FedEx but some went to Air Jamaica and I believe one or two to Aeroflot. No way did the A300's end up with FedEx, FX only operates the A300-600 and PanAm had the older A300B4-200's.

FX1816


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14724 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 8):

They Didn't. The last -30 for National was delivered after the merger and went straight into storage. It was purchased by United some time later.

Now that you say it I believe I remember reading somewhere it was sold to UA in April 1985, right after the Pacific sale was arranged, since the routes, 747SPs and L10s were not transferred until February 1986.

In fact there are some photos of said jet on here (sorry, couldn't get the pic to post). It is N84NA, and the caption on one says it left PA in April of '85.

I guess that explains why there weren't any DC10 flights listed in PA timetables after 1984 even though they still technically owned one.

[Edited 2010-10-26 20:37:27]


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User currently offlineSparkingwave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14687 times:

I believe one 747-100 went to General Electric and is still flying for them, as a testbed for new engine technology.


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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14631 times:

Quoting Sparkingwave (Reply 13):
I believe one 747-100 went to General Electric and is still flying for them, as a testbed for new engine technology.

Yup....N747GE based at VCV!!

FX1816


User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 14347 times:

a couple of the went to delta, then aeroflot, then sibir. one of them crashed at irkutsk several years back.


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User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 14104 times:

Didn't some of the A300B4's go to Carnival when they were in operation in the mid-90's? I flew on a bunch of those, great planes!

User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 14043 times:
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User currently offlinen53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 13910 times:

One of the SPs, N529PA (Clipper America) is still flying. It's currently registered N747A and is owned by Fry's Electronics. And she still sports the "Clipper America" name too!


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 13853 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 16):
Didn't some of the A300B4's go to Carnival when they were in operation in the mid-90's? I flew on a bunch of those, great planes!

I believe they did, then went onto Pan Am II



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 13 hours ago) and read 13689 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 9):
PUD's. Thats what we called a few of our L10-11's.


The correct way to write it is "L-1011" and "TriStar"!


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13556 times:
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Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
747-100/200 - Several went to United after they took over the Pacific routes

The 747SP's went to United with the Asian route deal. 2 747-200 went to UA with teh 1991 LHR deal. But most of the rest of the Pan AM 747 fleet went to the scrap heap. A few went into freighter duty since some hard Cargo doors from the CRAF deal Pan AM had with the Penatgon. Most of the 747-100 had by the time the Delta deal came reached the end of their useful lives. Updatimg them would have cost huge money.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13517 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 16):
Didn't some of the A300B4's go to Carnival when they were in operation in the mid-90's? I flew on a bunch of those, great planes!
Quoting Sparkingwave (Reply 13):
Quoting Sparkingwave (Reply 13):
I believe one 747-100 went to General Electric and is still flying for them, as a testbed for new engine technology.

Yup....N747GE based at VCV

It's the oldest 747 still flying. Also slightly ironic that the GE testbed has P&W engines.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13511 times:

You can check out where the aircrafts came from , where they have been and where they went and wether they are still active or not at this site:

http://www.hacoma.de/panam/e_fleet.php?sort=3&res=0

Click on aircraft type and then the registration number you want to check out


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13432 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Yup....N747GE based at VCV

It's the oldest 747 still flying. Also slightly ironic that the GE testbed has P&W engines.

Yeah I've always though that to be kind of funny, I mean the other engine builders have a test bed with their own engines on it.

FX1816


25 Post contains links and images clickhappy : And it still has a Pan Am interior (upstairs at least): View Large View MediumPhoto © Royal S King
26 Post contains images Klima : I've been wondering about this so thought I'd ask it here: Did Pan Am's A300 and A310 airplanes have the 3-class cabins? I know they flew the A310s on
27 Viscount724 : If memory correct the A310-300s were 3-class. Not sure about the A310-200s. I'm pretty sure the A300s were 2-class as they were mainly used on domest
28 Antoniemey : That aircraft seems to have quite an interesting ownership history...
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