Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6 Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1158 times:
PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT AN AIRBUS v. BOEING THING. PLEASE DON'T START THAT CRAP.
The latest war between the manufacturers is on, specifically being Internet infrastructures on airliners. Boeing, and now Airbus, both have plans in place.
With Airbus' recent acquisition, they are in the position to offer narrow-band internet access to email and selected webpages (via a proxy server onboard). It's available today.
Boeing's product will apparently offer 56k+ speeds on a broadband basis. I'm not aware if Boeing will open it up to the whole web or selected sites via a proxy server. That product won't be available for some time (a year or so, I believe).
Which is the better path? Would you want email now or wait for the whole enchilada later?
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1140 times:
If Boeing is going to open up the Web in most of its whole, I'd go with Boeing. If Boeing does open it all up and is offering better speeds, I'd go with Boeing. However, it is nice to see that both companies want to open up the web and help consumers.
LZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1130 times:
any more details on transfer protocols and communication aids to be used(ie satelite uplink, conventional radio or what?)
I remember Ericsson coming some years ago with an experimental technology allowing using all the data channels of a conventional GSM mobile phone and thus allowing 33600bps transfer rate. Well, now as the common GSM standart is to be replaced by the UMTS standart, it sounds logical that Airbus is going with the actual technology as Boeing is awaiting the establishment of UMTS.
OK, I'm aware GSM's DON'T work above 10000 ft, but I can imagine pretty well the common up(down)link technologies being used to establish the link between aircraft and ground/space transmitter station.
FlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
From what I've read about the Boeing idea, it's a lot like DirectPC satellite Internet access (the two way kind) accessible through an onboard LAN. What Boeing did was develop an electronically scanned conforming satellite antenna that helps the DirectPC connection work as the platform is moving at 500 kts.
CAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1122 times:
I would say that the Airbus partnership has the upper hand in this. They can offer it now, and their rates that they are talking about offering are many times more reasonable than what Boeing was talking about. I am sure that Boeing will have to come off of the usage fees to be competitive. For international flying, passengers really could make their decisions on which carriers to fly based on the availability of internet connection, the quality of the connection, and the price of the usage. Just my thoughts. That is how I would think.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
I'd give Boeing the upper hand on this won- for now. If I want to view archived pages, I could download it on my handspring and view it on my own without costing me an arm and a leg.
I have yet to run into one person who had chosen their flight due to the internet availability on board. I have a feeling that it's going to be another GTE Airfone until airlines can offer the services cheaply AND in real time.
767-322ETOPS From United States of America, joined May 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
I second Watewate's GTE theory. A Financial Times article mentioned that Boeing and the airlines are thinking of pricing it at $15-$25/hour. A lot cheaper than $4/minute with GTE, but for me is too much $$$ just to surf the net.
Might be useful to make last minute Hertz or hotel reservations, but I wouldn't use it otherwise.