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AA Jet Stuck In Construction Area At JFK  
User currently onlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 413 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13646 times:

Apparently an American Airlines aircraft that had just landed on Runway 22 left at JFK exited the runway and pulled too close to a construction area at taxiway Juliet. The aircraft is now being forced to wait for a tug to pull it out. Meanwhile, the aircraft is blocking an active runway exit forcing all the landing aircraft to either stop short or roll to the end of the runway.

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User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12800 times:

No way to stop short of Z unless you are very light and slam on the brakes with max reverse.

Everyone will roll to the end and them up 31L


User currently onlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

There were a few aircraft that landed quickly enough to catch the first turn-off. In fact, a few times the controller commended the pilots on the short landings. It took at least 30 minutes to get the tug out to the AA aircraft and pull it out of the construction area.
Anyone get details on the flight.....where it came in from....flight number....aircraft type?


User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12026 times:

AA 22 from LAX, 762.

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21106 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11329 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
Everyone will roll to the end and them up 31L

Isn't the beginning of 31L unusable due to the construction?

-Mir



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11071 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
Apparently an American Airlines aircraft that had just landed on Runway 22 left at JFK exited the runway and pulled too close to a construction area at taxiway Juliet. The aircraft is now being forced to wait for a tug to pull it out. Meanwhile, the aircraft is blocking an active runway exit forcing all the landing aircraft to either stop short or roll to the end of the runway.

Someone call Joe Patroni, QUICK! LOL, Sucks to be the pax on the plane though. Thank heavens they got the plane out quite fast.



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 5):
Someone call Joe Patroni, QUICK! LOL

Nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking that LOL

At least the runway itself wasn't blocked...



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User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 5):
Someone call Joe Patroni, QUICK! LOL,

And he'll need cigars and someone who is cockpit qualified as well.....  


User currently onlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Not a pilot, so correct me if I am wrong, but don't pilots get info regarding taxi and runway closures before takeoff?

User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

"Isn't the beginning of 31L unusable due to the construction?"

They have a "taxiway" open on the runway.


"Not a pilot, so correct me if I am wrong, but don't pilots get info regarding taxi and runway closures before takeoff?"

Sure do.


"a few times the controller commended the pilots on the short landings"

And quite a dumb thing to do. The runway is 8400 feet long and when you land, the whole thing belongs to you. Every inch of it. Things happen in airplanes when pilots get preoccupied with BS like trying to throw the thing on the ground and use max braking with max reverse to get off the runway when they still have more than half the runway available to them. Sounds ridiculous because it is.

The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.


User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
"Isn't the beginning of 31L unusable due to the construction?"

They have a "taxiway" open on the runway.


"Not a pilot, so correct me if I am wrong, but don't pilots get info regarding taxi and runway closures before takeoff?"

Sure do.


"a few times the controller commended the pilots on the short landings"

And quite a dumb thing to do. The runway is 8400 feet long and when you land, the whole thing belongs to you. Every inch of it. Things happen in airplanes when pilots get preoccupied with BS like trying to throw the thing on the ground and use max braking with max reverse to get off the runway when they still have more than half the runway available to them. Sounds ridiculous because it is.

The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.

Very true....i rearely post on here but thats one of the best Q and A posts i can remember on airliners.net.


User currently offlineC133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
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Quoting Bobs89irocz (Reply 10):
The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.

And THAT is why all the pilot groups fought "land and hold short" clearances for so long. And for all I know may still be; I've been retired for a few years.



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User currently onlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.

I completely agree that safety by far must be the number one priority. But, I am also aware that the size, complexity and congestion at an airport the size of JFK can mean a 2-minute taxi to the gate from the first turn-off and a 30-minute taxi from the last one.


User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

The controller basically told aircraft checking in (not on short final), "Be advised taxiway juliet is blocked, if you're able to exit at the midfield taxiway you need to go all the way the end and you'll have to wait a few minutes".

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