canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12514 times:
Apparently an American Airlines aircraft that had just landed on Runway 22 left at JFK exited the runway and pulled too close to a construction area at taxiway Juliet. The aircraft is now being forced to wait for a tug to pull it out. Meanwhile, the aircraft is blocking an active runway exit forcing all the landing aircraft to either stop short or roll to the end of the runway.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2648 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11668 times:
No way to stop short of Z unless you are very light and slam on the brakes with max reverse.
canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11501 times:
There were a few aircraft that landed quickly enough to catch the first turn-off. In fact, a few times the controller commended the pilots on the short landings. It took at least 30 minutes to get the tug out to the AA aircraft and pull it out of the construction area.
Anyone get details on the flight.....where it came in from....flight number....aircraft type?
GolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10894 times:
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19700 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10197 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1): Everyone will roll to the end and them up 31L
Isn't the beginning of 31L unusable due to the construction?
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WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9939 times:
Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter): Apparently an American Airlines aircraft that had just landed on Runway 22 left at JFK exited the runway and pulled too close to a construction area at taxiway Juliet. The aircraft is now being forced to wait for a tug to pull it out. Meanwhile, the aircraft is blocking an active runway exit forcing all the landing aircraft to either stop short or roll to the end of the runway.
Someone call Joe Patroni, QUICK! LOL, Sucks to be the pax on the plane though. Thank heavens they got the plane out quite fast.
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warden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9887 times:
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canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7249 times:
Not a pilot, so correct me if I am wrong, but don't pilots get info regarding taxi and runway closures before takeoff?
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2648 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5606 times:
"Isn't the beginning of 31L unusable due to the construction?"
They have a "taxiway" open on the runway.
"Not a pilot, so correct me if I am wrong, but don't pilots get info regarding taxi and runway closures before takeoff?"
Sure do.
"a few times the controller commended the pilots on the short landings"
And quite a dumb thing to do. The runway is 8400 feet long and when you land, the whole thing belongs to you. Every inch of it. Things happen in airplanes when pilots get preoccupied with BS like trying to throw the thing on the ground and use max braking with max reverse to get off the runway when they still have more than half the runway available to them. Sounds ridiculous because it is.
The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.
Bobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5363 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): "Isn't the beginning of 31L unusable due to the construction?"
They have a "taxiway" open on the runway.
"Not a pilot, so correct me if I am wrong, but don't pilots get info regarding taxi and runway closures before takeoff?"
Sure do.
"a few times the controller commended the pilots on the short landings"
And quite a dumb thing to do. The runway is 8400 feet long and when you land, the whole thing belongs to you. Every inch of it. Things happen in airplanes when pilots get preoccupied with BS like trying to throw the thing on the ground and use max braking with max reverse to get off the runway when they still have more than half the runway available to them. Sounds ridiculous because it is.
The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.
Very true....i rearely post on here but thats one of the best Q and A posts i can remember on airliners.net.
C133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
Quoting Bobs89irocz (Reply 10): The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.
And THAT is why all the pilot groups fought "land and hold short" clearances for so long. And for all I know may still be; I've been retired for a few years.
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canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): The only thing a pilot should be thinking about on short final is safely landing the airplane. He/she should not be trying to to land in 4000 feet when 8400 feet are available.
I completely agree that safety by far must be the number one priority. But, I am also aware that the size, complexity and congestion at an airport the size of JFK can mean a 2-minute taxi to the gate from the first turn-off and a 30-minute taxi from the last one.
GolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2140 times:
The controller basically told aircraft checking in (not on short final), "Be advised taxiway juliet is blocked, if you're able to exit at the midfield taxiway you need to go all the way the end and you'll have to wait a few minutes".
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