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Day Of The Dead-Mexican Aviation Thread 6  
User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19787 times:

A start of a new thread in the world of Mexican aviation as the last thread has gotten a bit long.

This is a continuation of the last thread and if you need a reference of what is being discussed go to Mexican Aviation Thread 5 to catch up.

Latest news/rumors have both Aviacsa and Mexicana both restarting operations by December. Both airlines have new group of investors.

Mexicana:
There will a be news conference being held tomorrow October 29th where TG Group will announce the purchase of MX. Article about the investment/purchace of TG Group of MX, Article in Spanish, sorry:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/719477.html

Aviacsa:
The airline has new investors and it is said it will restart operations with four 737s in December.
Article about this, in Spanish:
http://www.zocalo.com.mx/seccion/opinion-articulo/aviacsa6/

Interjet:
The airline has leased three A320s which arrived at TLC in the past two weeks. Two of those A320s are former MX planes, one of them being the OneWorld MX plane.

Aeromexico:
As Eddiedude reported in the last thread AM has submitted a proposal to the unions to cut costs... Let's see how that goes.

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User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19812 times:

Word at Spirit is that finally they will announce Mexico City plus 2 more cities in Mexico in the next few weeks... They announced 4 new domestic cities, 5 more international to go...

My guess would be MTY and GDL and even PBC?


User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19758 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Thread starter):
October 29th where TG Group will announce the purchase of MX

I hope this is so and we finally begin to see light at the end of a very dark tunnel.
Saldy, though, in this soap opera that the Mexicana saga has turned out to be, the news you quote were produced on Tuesday 26th, and, yesterday 27th, in another interview, the Transport Undersecretary denies that the TG Group proposal can be accepted since it fails to address several important issues.
You can read it here in http://www.aerolatinnews.com both in Spanish and English.

Who is right ? we shall have to wait and see...

Greetings from Cancún.


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19760 times:
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Quoting Mexicana757 (Thread starter):
There will a be news conference being held tomorrow October 29th where TG Group will announce the purchase of MX. Article about the investment/purchace of TG Group of MX, Article in Spanish, sorry:

From the article:

"Será el próximo viernes cuando el TG Group haga oficial "que comprará" Compañía Mexicana de Aviación, lo que desmiente las versiones de una quiebra en estos días de la aerolínea, informó el dirigente de los trabajadores de tierra de esa empresa, Miguel Ángel Yúdico Colín.

En entrevista, el dirigente de los 2 mil 500 empleados dijo que por el momento no puede abundar en detalles sobre la transacción, pero que hasta la más reciente conversación con los representantes del grupo inversionista, tienen todo listo para hacer el anuncio el 29 de octubre por la mañana."

Key points: The leader of the Ground Workers Union says a group of investors called the TG group is ready to make an announcement on October the 29th saying they will buy MX.

There are a few things that worry me about this information:

1) The person who is giving the news, Mr. Yúdico Colín. In the past he, and other union leaders have made similar announcements that have proved overly optimistic and in the end nothing has come of them. I would be happier if such announcement was made by an authority actually in charge of the Concurso Mercantil process.

2) The refusal by everybody involved to identify the actual investors. It´s always: "We have this nice bunch of people that are willing to loose their shirt by putting money in this bottomless money pit..er, sorry Mexicana, but, no, we can´t tell you who they are just yet." How many times have we heard this in the past two months?

3) I have seen the ridiculous conditions set by the pilots union in their proposal for their collective contract with MX. Maybe it´s just a blue print for negotiations, but still, who in its sane mind is going to invest in an airline with a group of employees that is trying to impose such impossible, unrealistic conditions?

4) The fact of the matter is still that the amount of liabilities MX has up to this point is such that the airline is simply not attractive or feasible to be re-launched as is. A major financial restructuring is needed, requiring huge amounts of money that with the current market conditions makes MX an unattractive business. Now, if the Mexican government absorbs some of this, then it´s another story. However, at every opportunity, the government has said they will not be putting a cent to make MX more attractive. And i agree with them.

5) Being stuck with Cat 2 by the FAA is a major stumbling block for any commercial airline business operation in Mexico at this time.

I really hope that all of the above is dealt with and MX is relaunched, in whichever incarnation. Being realistic, however, I fail to see how that is possible, and until I see an announcement that actually addresses all of the above points, I remain skeptical and will take any info. saying MX is ready to restart operations with a grain of salt.

[Edited 2010-10-28 11:04:46]


MGGS
User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19730 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
Being realistic
Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
I remain skeptical

I could not agree more with you ! Very nicely detailed and explained. Thank you.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19689 times:

I'm with AR385. For starters, who is this TG Group? Who was Tenedora K? They don't sound that solid.

How could MX AND Aviacsa(!) getting back from the dead at the same time will help Mexican Aviation as a whole?

From government policy, law and international treaties enforcement, to tax and labor structure to private enterprises management our civil aviation is a mess, sadly.

I'll refrain myself from quoting the Communications and Labor Ministers, they've spoken endless nonsense for two months now. I guess we'll have to wait and see, for leadership is nowhere to be seen.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 19674 times:

As i pointed out on the "AM signs an agreement with Air Europa" thread, Aeromexico will be increasing GRU to 9 daily (all 777).. EZE will also be upgraded, YUL, ONT and DEN launched and increase services to 5 other U.S cities...

If Mexicana doesn't come back, Aeromexico will be a very succesfull airline for many years to come. All they need right now if for Mexico to be upgraded to Cat I by the USDOT/FAA

as far as the stated above. I've like to see Aviacsa and Mexicana back

cheers


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19607 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 6):
GRU to 9 daily (all 777).. EZE will also be upgraded, YUL, ONT and DEN launched and increase services to 5 other U.S cities...

Yes, EZE goes from 3 to 5 and then to 10 weekly services. 7 will be all-nightly flights. 1 will be 777 and the rest 767.

The cities with added service are JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX and LAS. Nice. Wish AM would also upgrade SFO.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19357 times:

Quoting Civilav (Reply 4):
I could not agree more with you ! Very nicely detailed and explained. Thank you.
Quoting AM744 (Reply 5):
I'm with AR385. For starters, who is this TG Group? Who was Tenedora K? They don't sound that solid.

  

Agree, I myself have no clue who these investment groups are. I will believe it when I see it.

It's past noon and I have yet to hear anything of the such planned 'news conference.'

An interesting article on MX. I wonder if this so called TG Group is willing to take up the $725 million debt of MX.
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=374122&CategoryId=14091


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19224 times:

A quick google search resulted in this: TG Group is an investment company based in Osaka, Japan. It has three investments only: a private club in Asia, a diamond and gold export business in India, and commercial property acquisitions in Australia. So, I don't think it is these guys. Must be a code name for a bunch of local investors... or a smoke screen/wet dream of the unions.

Tenedora K, as we discussed in a previous thread, were people in the business of importing Swiss watches and who were also tied to the MEX T1 commercial locales, in tandem with a real estate investor.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19037 times:
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So. How did that press conference go? Oh wait...


MGGS
User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18914 times:

Volaris and Southwest will begin integrated service between Mexico and the United States. This should boost loads on Volaris' international flights from major WN cities like Las Vegas, LAX and Oakland. This is good news form both Volaris and Southwest.

I have been reading about the new MX investiment group. I read that it is a Mexican Company with foreign capital. While I would like to see MX fly again, I would hate to see it limp start and die again. A number of Mexican airports have reported an increase of passenger traffic during the last few months. It has just been about three months without MX and it looks like Mexican carriers have made a good effort to fill in the gap left by MX.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18844 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 11):
Volaris' international flights from major WN cities like Las Vegas, LAX and Oakland.

They do LAS too? Was unaware.

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 11):
I have been reading about the new MX investiment group. I read that it is a Mexican Company with foreign capital. While I would like to see MX fly again,

Well, they have to comply with the foreign investment restrictions so, in other words, they will need majority Mexican partners. I think each day the possibility of seeing MX fly again becomes smaller and smaller. I may be pessimistic, but I think MX won't come back.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18834 times:
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Quoting DesertAir (Reply 11):
Volaris and Southwest will begin integrated service between Mexico and the United States. This should boost loads on Volaris' international flights from major WN cities like Las Vegas, LAX and Oakland. This is good news form both Volaris and Southwest.

How is this possible with CAT 2?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
I think each day the possibility of seeing MX fly again becomes smaller and smaller. I may be pessimistic, but I think MX won't come back.

If they miss December, they´re as good as dead.



MGGS
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18824 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):
How is this possible with CAT 2?

Well, he just said boosting loads, not increasing frequencies, so... I would dare to say that both AM and Volaris are already enjoying very high loads on cross-border flights.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18804 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Well, he just said boosting loads, not increasing frequencies

True, but he said "integrated". What does that mean exactly? Sounds like some type of code share.

[Edited 2010-10-31 21:37:28]


MGGS
User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18673 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 15):
What does that mean exactly? Sounds like some type of code share.

Yes AR385, you can read it here (Spanish / English) at www.aerolatinnews.com. It explains that Southwest would offer codeshare from at least 20 US locations to 5 Mexican cities via Volaris through the latter's Oakland, Los Angeles and San Jose scheduled services.

In short, they are putting into effect an agreement reached over a year ago and widely advertised and debated here in this forum.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
They do LAS too? Was unaware.

They do not. Southwest will feed passengers from Las Vegas through Volaris' current 3 California destinations I mentioned above.

Greetings from Cancún.


User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18673 times:

Does anyone know why AR cancelled the relaunch of their flight to MEX?

Thanks in advance.

Regards.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18653 times:

Quoting olli (Reply 17):
Does anyone know why AR cancelled the relaunch of their flight to MEX?

Isn't AM increasing frequencies to EZE? Maybe AR is figuring out that the can put their airplanes to better use elsewhere?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
Yes, EZE goes from 3 to 5 and then to 10 weekly services. 7 will be all-nightly flights. 1 will be 777 and the rest 767.

BTW. Is AM flying to YYZ or planning on doing so?


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18633 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 18):
Is AM flying to YYZ or planning on doing so?

The official plan rather consists to relaunch AM MEX-YUL 7x weekly with 737 and starting on December 15th.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18596 times:
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Quoting olli (Reply 17):
Does anyone know why AR cancelled the relaunch of their flight to MEX?

Is it cancelled though? I thought it was just post-poned to March.

Quoting Civilav (Reply 16):
Yes AR385, you can read it here (Spanish / English) at www.aerolatinnews.com. It explains that Southwest would offer codeshare from at least 20 US locations to 5 Mexican cities via

Thak you Civilav. I assume since it was an agreement reached a year ago it is immune from Cat 2?



MGGS
User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18552 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 20):
it is immune from Cat 2?

That is a very good question you pose since I had understood, originally, that all codeshares between US and Mexican carriers (meaning Mexicana and Aeromexico) would cease but, to my surprise, ALL codeshares, for example, between AM and DL are still bookable on any GDS so my conclusion is that; in this very peculiar interpretation of Cat. II applied to Mexico's case, new services can be started via codeshares between US and Mexican carriers so long as the Mexican airlines are not introducing new frequencies with their own metal.

That, at least, is what I now understand from reading this report on Aeromexico's proposed increase in services to the States effective this month: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...capacity-on-several-us-routes.html

Hope you find the answer enlightening.


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 18441 times:
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Quoting Civilav (Reply 21):
That, at least, is what I now understand from reading this report on Aeromexico's proposed increase in services to the States effective this month: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html

Civilav, the important piece of the article you cite is the following:

Excerpt:

"Mexican carriers are currently prohibited by the US FAA from launching new services to the US because Mexico falls under category 2 under the FAA's international aviation safety assessment (IASA) programme. But an FAA spokeswoman says Mexican carriers are allowed to adjust frequencies on routes they are already authorised to operate as long as their total US capacity does not increase."

You will agree with me that the above is rather vague. I have been trying to find the real conditions that CAT 2 sets for a country but the FAA site is just worst than the Minoan labyrinth to navigate, much less to find any useful info.

From what I understood, being set on CAT 2 means that an airline from the country in CAT 2 cannot increase its existing frequencies into the US, nor enter into any code-share agreements with any airline in the US. Additionaly, any existing code-shares between any airline in the CAT 2 country and any US airline have to be suspended.

However, it seems that either this interpretation is wrong, or that the FAA is throwing Mexico a bone. Which is it? Given that the agreement between Southwest and Volaris is going forward, the latter seems to be the case.



MGGS
User currently offlinemauriceb From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 18444 times:

Bit off-topic but AM will lease 3 737's from HV (transavia.com) for a period of 5 months, all 800's:


PH-HZD (11nov10 - 06apr11)
PH-HZE (10nov10 - 12apr11)
PH-HZF (05nov10 - 19apr11)


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18398 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
The cities with added service are JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX and LAS. Nice. Wish AM would also upgrade SFO.

Yes. One daily flight is next to nothing. I was surprised to see there's no SFO-GDL service. I thought AM had at least one daily MEX & GDL flight, but that's not the case. They could easily do twice daily to both MEX & GDL on 73Gs.


25 SJOtoLIR : Correct. AR is planning to resume Buenos Aires - Mexico City service as follows: AR 1384..............EZE 22:10..................MEX 05:10+1.........
26 Aeolus : Why for so little time? I hope they keep on growing to fill MX's void. I don't think MX is coming back any time soon... nor ever. Leave it to die pea
27 wingedtaurus : Hello everyone, Do you know why AM is not flying MEX-HAV directly? You currently have to go through CUN or MID. I also read somewhere that MEX-MGA was
28 olli : Thanks SJO! Good to hear that, not daily though as originally plan Regards,
29 Post contains images MaverickM11 : They forgot that plane was still missing an engine on the ramp in EZE? It's basically a glorified interline, not a codeshare, so I don't think it fal
30 EddieDude : Yes, good question. I imagine it is because they expect to get new 738s or find longer-term leases within that 5 month period, so this would be just
31 AR385 : I need some help: I will be flying LH 499 MEX-FRA on Nov 29th departing MEX at 21:20. I have never actually connected in MEX from MTY to a Euro-bound
32 Post contains images kiwimex : The outbound sounds OK. Inbound, I think you're pushing it big time. Immigration isn't the problem, it's waiting for the baggage and the queue at the
33 Santi319 : Typical that is exactly why we need MX or 6A back!!! They abuse the consumer, always had and always will....[Edited 2010-11-04 07:00:46]
34 Aeolus : Same thing happened to me. Luckily my last stop was MEX... but there was a Finnish guy who had to connect to Villahermosa and he had like an hour wor
35 Post contains images AM001 : Muahahahah Last time I checked, that was called "supply and demand", and it works mostly everywhere else in the world... And also, I don't recall MX
36 Post contains links and images kiwimex : Avión aterriza en Puerto Vallarta con falla técnica http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco...rto-vallarta-con-falla-tecnica.htm Happened Thursday afte
37 Post contains links kiwimex : More details http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco...ontrol-tras-aterrizaje-forzoso.htm Dio a conocer que los equipos de emergencia de dicho aeropuerto
38 skyone : Amazing!!! Spirit thanks to Cat 2, will jump on the FLL-MEX route before Interjet and Volaris!!! If this happens, I can only see Mr. Aleman and Mr Kr
39 EddieDude : Well, they'd still be lacking a premium cabin, a f.f. program and a codeshare/alliance with second largest carrier in the world. AM needs to leverage
40 skyone : Still, twice the costs as Volaris (with Southwest conectivity) thanks to super ASPA and ASSA. Second, who cares about premium cabin, except for busin
41 N623JB : JetBlue should add FLL-MEX..it would be easier than starting JFK-MEX
42 AR385 : Here´s the thing. After the input I got after my "help needed post" I decided that the most sensible thing to do (thanks Kiwimex!) was to purchase a
43 kiwimex : Did you check GDL-PTY-EZE on CopaAir (with MTY-GDL on Interejet or Volaris) as an option?
44 AR385 : I did. It was truly the most practical and sensible option, I´ll admit. More so that I could fly PTY-COR and then ride a bus from COR to MDZ. My bro
45 Post contains links SCL767 : Air France may deploy the A-380 on the CDG-MEX route by 2012: "El Aeropuerto Internacional de la Ciudad de México (AICM) tendría que invertir entre
46 SJOtoLIR : AeroMexico is going to start the following services: AM GDL-ONT 7x weekly with 73G. Starting on November 20. AM MTY-MIA Seasonal 7x weekly with E90. E
47 SJOtoLIR : American Eagle on behalf of American Airlines would launch Queretaro and Veracruz out of Dallas/Ft. Worth: AA 3293........DFW 10:30........QRO 13:20..
48 Santi319 : your wish is comming true... Apparently aiming for January now... Need to keep an eye on the DOT...
49 Post contains images skyone : Wow!!! keep me updated please. Actually, I am at FLL airport at the moment, arriving from DFW. This is Spirit territory!!!!!
50 kiwimex : I wish they'd make it CDG-MEX-GDL like they do for the 74F's.
51 AR385 : With the other thread about the surprising LOI for 15 A380s by SkyMark, the Japanese charter-LCC I started thinking if it wouldn´t be viable for AM t
52 EddieDude : It is an interesting question. I lean towards no for an answer, but many years ago AM considered getting a 743 for flights to FCO and MAD, right, so w
53 AR385 : Yes, I remember that, and AM had a 743 picture with its colors in its website. However, at that time I dated an AM F/A and what she told me was that
54 wingedtaurus : I guess MEX-MAD has the capacity for AM to have such a large bird, not so sure for MEX-CDG because AF is already planning on it and because AM has re
55 olli : Hi all, Does anyone know why Iberia operates 3 flights on Monday's to MEX (IB6400, IB6402 & IB6404) and some other days just 1? Current schedule g
56 Post contains links and images Aeolus : Maybe there's people coming back from their weekend in Madrid? I seriously don't know. Might be due to demand. I knew they had two flights a day exce
57 wingedtaurus : That would be great news, AM needs to connect with other Skyteam hubs SVO would be good, but also FCO and ICN. A 767 could take care of CUN, but don
58 AM744 : Maybe CUN would work on a seasonal/charter basis. I don't know about MEX. I just don't see that much O&D or connection opportunities on either si
59 Civilav : Well, as far as I know, Transaero has been operating regular flights to Cancún all through this year. First, one flight every other week, and, now,
60 pzurita1 : Not anymore. Russians only need to fill and online application and that is it. No need to proof income, reason of traveling, and those details. Mexic
61 EddieDude : In addition to upgrading GRU to 9x weekly, AM is also upgrading BCN to 4x weekly (the November issue of Escala mentions 5x weekly service, but it mus
62 goldenstate : Difficult to envision them making significant inroads into AM's corporate traffic component unless AM really screws up. Hopefully AM will manage cost
63 EddieDude : Well, AM tried both SEA and BOS in the past and it decided to leave because of poor results. I believe BOS has potential, but AM needs (i) DL's full
64 AR385 : Today it is reported in Milenio newspaper that the Mexican Government will absorb 75% of all the debt MX has with any government entitiy. Since that d
65 AM744 : Same thing at Centro Coyoacan. I wonder what the point is as well. Aren't reimbursments and Go points redemptions at an impasse until MX goes bankrup
66 goldenstate : In addition to your points regarding SEA, wasn't AM competing with MX there as well? Or perhaps AM was in SEA at the time that MX was in PDX. I don't
67 EddieDude : Yeah, AM was at SEA and MX at PDX. I agree. MEX is not well located for North America - South America connections (except for West Coast - South Amer
68 Civilav : Meaning ??? I was replying to the comment that services to CUN could operate on a seasonal basis and my point is that Transaero obviously shows that
69 pzurita1 : Chill out mate. I was not attacking you at all. If any, I was adding info about those flights that are not useful for the two markets involved.
70 hloutweg : One billion dollars is 1,000 million dollars. Then $224 million is almost a quarter of the debt. I think that it does help a lot even if truly is 1 b
71 EddieDude : In addition to its already announced slew of new flights to MEX (i.e., 4x daily ATL-MEX service that has recently commenced, daily MSP-MEX beginning D
72 kiwimex : Yep. I was at an all-inclusive in Cancun for a few days last week and it was 1/2 full of Russians. Plus tour buses with cyrillic writing on them. The
73 skyone : Wow "kiwimex", you could not have said it better!!! this is turning into a TARP banking relief program, but with Mexican Airlines, and it doesn´t ne
74 Santi319 : Interjet does not fly to OAK?
75 AR385 : I ought to have qualified that statement. At the time of the news I wrote about, the amount both TG and PC groups were thought to have come up with,
76 Post contains links EddieDude : AM is adding three 737s and one 767 to its fleet this month. The 738s will come from Transavia (dry-lease) and will be operated by AM for an initial p
77 viasa : Two A320s were ferried back from Victorville (VCV) to Toluca (TLC). Both aircrafts were designated for Mexicana before they stopps its operations. Now
78 Post contains images kiwimex : Yes, silly me. It was Volaris
79 kiwimex : I heard a rumour that Canada is going to make changes to it's visa requirements for Mexicans. Anyone see anything?
80 goldenstate : Right. To clarify; what I meant was focusing Mexico-US flights on corporate traffic and connecting traffic over DL hubs/gateways to Europe or other t
81 AM744 : No news in the Canadian Embassy site. What I do know is that Mexicans no longer need a medical examination if they are to stay for more than 6 months
82 EddieDude : I agree. I hope CAT I is reestablished soon because I'd love to see AM add more capacity to SFO before UA does so (or before VX applies for SFO-MEX).
83 AR385 : I would also that IAD and CLT should also be considered in the medium term.
84 EddieDude : Yes, IAD definitely (although I'd rather connect via, say, IAH/ATL, and land at DCA, but that's just me). I was thinking about West Coast following g
85 AR385 : Yes, I would too prefer to land in DCA. I don´t get why no Mexican airline has lobbied to get a few slots there. Air Canada does, although they have
86 goldenstate : Unfortunately for AM, United has already increased SFO-MEX frequencies from 7 weekly to 14 weekly. I flew on their new redeye (which is in direct com
87 Post contains images EddieDude : Darden-ites? No seriously, thanks for the update. I was really unaware of this. It is quite impressive. Yes... well, it was, until Wells Fargo acquir
88 AR385 : I wish, but not exactly. When I was there, I had only 1 other Mexican in my first year, and 4 in the second year. Although an excellent MBA program,
89 laca773 : AM's inflight product is better than what UA has available so I feel they have the advantage on UA with their redeye flight to MEX. People can make M
90 Post contains links EddieDude : Even though the AM-led efforts to woo AV into SkyTeam failed (we all know now that AV-TA are joining Star), a codeshare between AV and AM is still a p
91 skyone : It is not about the better product in Y from AM. Business Travelers go for Frequent Flyer Program and United has one of the best out there. Also, for
92 WhatUsaid : Word is that Volaris and FAT have a draft contract under review that would bring back FAT-GDL. Seems a little pre-mature given the CAT II issues, or i
93 EddieDude : I've read a couple of notes in the press that suggest that the upgrade to CAT I might come rather soon (i.e., early 2011). I am hopefull, but still a
94 goldenstate : Other than the free alcohol I don't really know if I agree that AM's inflight product is really that much better than UA, at least on transborder fli
95 EddieDude : Lol. AM just introduced an Eco + product on its 737 aircraft. Just saying. I doubt AM would want to partner with AS. Just my unsubstantiated gut feel
96 Post contains links EddieDude : According to an article published today, AM is thinking about buying 10 737s over a period of three years beginning in 2012, as opposed to leasing the
97 LAXintl : I don't know, seems pretty skeptical to me. Volaris execs were doing rounds recently, and from the one I met, their focus is to grow domestically fas
98 Mexicana757 : Interjet has taken lease of two more A320s. Both A320s are coming from Europe. One was with Air Malta 9H-AEI, now has registration XA-SOB. The other A
99 Mexicana757 : Volaris to start flight to Chicago MDW from GDL December 13th. Flight to operate three times weekly on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Flights are 5
100 Aeolus : Wait... what about CAT I? Has it been re-established? -Aeolus
101 Mexicana757 : I don't think Mexico has been granted CAT I yet. But I have been wondering if this has to do with the route authority Volaris applied for early this
102 Aeolus : Thanks for the info. I really hope prices go down. On the other thread about this, someone was stating 700$ RT... so it's not that cheap... Why do ai
103 Post contains links Mexicana757 : Mexico regaining CAT I very soon?? Mexico and USA today sign an aviation safety agreement. Articles in Spanish only http://www.cronica.com.mx/nota.php
104 EddieDude : What AM has stated is that it has not increased fares across the board. What happens is that if you look for a flight for a weekend or a busy period
105 Post contains links Mexicana757 : The FAA today restored Mexico safety rating back to CAT I. Let the battle between the Mexican airlines to be awarded route authorities to the United S
106 XA744 : Good thing to see, it was about time. The U.S. side was also losing a lot by keeping Mexico in the CAT II status. Blue and brighter skies ahead for t
107 kiwiandrew : How was the US side losing ? It gave their carriers a massive advantage over Mexican carriers . Will restoration of CAT I be the final nail in MXs co
108 SJOtoLIR : Air Europa is planning to serve daily the Madrid - Cancun service from April 03rd to April 30 with 332. It will be downgraded to 4x weekly from May 01
109 AR385 : EddieDude, for my trip MEX-MTY I started searching for fares two months in advance, and could not find something below $3,500 MXP. One week before, I
110 laca773 : From what I read these flights were scheduled to only operate during the busy holiday season. Have things changed? I hope Volaris will fly MDW-MEX-MD
111 Post contains images kiwimex : I hope it's a night flight. When MX went from 2 daily MEX-YVR to 1 daily, they ditched the night flight and had the plane leaving MEX at 7am or somet
112 Mexicana757 : I too have read the same thing. This flight is suppose to just be seasonal for now operating from December 13 until January 26, 2011. But now with Me
113 EddieDude : Well, as I said, AM will likely consider it (I read that somewhere a few days ago), but it is by no means a done deal. YYZ seems quite certain. YVR i
114 pzurita1 : That was a thing of the past. Currently there is no limitiation except on certains Mexican cities (MEX, GDL, MTY and CUN) where only 3 carriers from
115 Mexicana757 : MEX still has a limitation of only 2 carriers from each side can fly. The rest of the cities you have are correct. AM will have to figure out somethi
116 Post contains links AM744 : It is needed. No cost, but the paperwork is mostly the same i.e. complex. Thank all the fellow citizens that abused the Canadian refugee system for y
117 AR385 : OH NO. What is the world coming to?
118 Post contains links bjorn14 : FAA announced Mexico's return to Category 1 http://atwonline.com/international-a...atw_dn&YM_RID=beradtke@hotmail.com I believe it was delayed du
119 EddieDude : I think so, yes. Apparently AR does not have sufficient long-haul planes to launch MEX. I seem to recall from a FlightGlobal article or something tha
120 Post contains links AM001 : A couple of interesting notes from El Universal: http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/727824.html --> Mexico's Undersecretary of Communications and
121 Post contains links kiwimex : Well, it look's like they've got a 767 stranded in Barcelona to deal with too. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMX34
122 Post contains links Aeolus : I imagine so. Is there anyone getting rid of aircraft at the moment? Would this be a good moment to bring back at least two B757s? I can't really ima
123 Post contains links FATFlyer : Sunday's Fresno paper will carry an article saying now that CAT I is restored, FAT officials are hopeful about restoring Mexico service soon. ""At le
124 Post contains links kiwimex : Huh? My Spanish isn't the best, but I'm sure there's some misinformation in this news item... http://www.informador.com.mx/interna...d-luego-de-proble
125 Post contains links AR385 : This might help: http://www.avherald.com/h?article=43436862&opt=0
126 Post contains images kiwimex : Thanks! That's a lot clearer!
127 ghost77 : An Airliners.net Avioncitos Meeting will be held this Saturday 11th on Sanborn's Blvd. Puerto Aéreo of MEX @ 16:30 p.m. Hope you are able to make it
128 SJOtoLIR : AeroMexico is planning the second daily Mexico City - San Antonio service from January 2011. AM 634...........MEX 17:00.............SAT 19:00.........
129 goldenstate : Nice to see that AM is moving quickly to add frequency from MEX to LAX, ORD, and JFK. The Delta codeshare should be turned back on by the middle of De
130 Post contains links EddieDude : Based on info that appeared today on Flightglobal and other publications, this additional service starts on January 11, and will only be 2x weekly (f
131 Post contains images Mexicana757 : I wish I could attend. You guys have been having these meeting for awhile, I need to make it to one sometime. Where is AM going to get the aircraft t
132 EddieDude : Yes, I believe they said 6 months only. You have a very valid point. I think (this is just my opinion) that during this 6 month period, AM will negot
133 SJOtoLIR : I did a double check and the GDS source [amadeus.net] displays it on a daily basis. Furthermore, the current AM632 MEX-SAT and AM633 SAT-MEX will cha
134 EddieDude : Alright. Awesome news SJOtoLIR! Thanks.
135 Aeolus : They are desperate to get new airframes, it would be nice if other companies could lease them in the mean time and then return them when AM gets thei
136 Post contains images kiwimex : Well, they could always lease those 4 77L's from AI and add a GDL-AKL route while they're at it.
137 EddieDude : Air Transat, maybe? I am not sure. Lol. Would the 77L be able to do MEX-PVG nonstop with full or at least decent payload?
138 laca773 : They should be able to fly this nonstop with a 77L and with little to no payload restrictions. Those queens have a lot of power and grace. I've been
139 EddieDude : You said it man. Sadly, i don't really think AM will even consider it. I think they will go for 788s and potentially 789s for their longer range rout
140 laca773 : Thanks for your thoughts and insight on AM and the 752s, Eddie. I still don't understand why they got rid of them with the exception of the lease rat
141 Mexicana757 : You are correct sir, those A332s went to Air Transat. Would have been nice if they had kept the 752 in the fleet. And speaking of Lima. A new bilater
142 Post contains links Aeolus : Thanks both to Eddie and Mexicana757. What about them thinking of getting these B772ERs?? Future Of B777 Stored Aircraft? I think they'd better get s
143 AR385 : The market is just not there. Although MX flew for many years a MEX-SJU nonstop with their 727s. Maybe that one may work. I´m not sure that with MEX
144 reality : high, yes. hot, not.
145 Post contains images AM001 : Agreed 100%. Stop wasting money on domestic Premier, turn it into a simpler Biz Class for the tons of upgrades, and invest in long-haul/international
146 Post contains images kiwimex : I'm sorry, what?
147 AR385 : I beg to differ. April, May June, July, August and all though half of September from noon to mid-afternoon are hot enough to generate weight penaltie
148 EddieDude : I believe none of the 67s is owned. Nonetheless, AM informed in a not-so-recent edition of its inflight magazine that it would fit its 767s with wing
149 AM744 : Would be surprised if that worked. Kind of crossing the river to get water for most beach going Mexicans.
150 skyone : Exactly, at skyrocket prices like MX s A330-200 s in order to be out of business by next year and leave Mexico without a flag carrier, LOL I prefer t
151 N623JB : Whats going on with Mexicana by the way? Any news on the Mexicana front?
152 skyone : yes, it is not going to come back in the profitable Christmas season. If it comes back it will be until January and February, the low season. That pl
153 AM001 : Hmm... I know for many of us AM is akin to Satan right now... but I just quoted the following: --> VB LAS-MTY-LAS for $978.00 usd r/t --> Y4 LA
154 skyone : Well, and how much is AM charging for that trip? LOL I agree with you!!! It is not about prices, it is about many other companies openning the route
155 EddieDude : Hey, question. What's with those AA signs on the streets of Mexico City that say "Introducing JFK" or something to that extent? Under the current bila
156 Mexicana757 : During that time of year you will find prices that high. Last night Volaris launched a sale for all of their destinations. on LAX-GDL I was quoted $2
157 Post contains links and images MaverickM11 : Today is Thursday so that must mean that there's a new MX start date of 24JAN now "Los representantes de los sindicatos de pilotos, sobrecargos y trab
158 AR385 : Sure. I´ll believe it when I see it.
159 Post contains links AR385 : And in other news... Three AM flight attendants have been arrested at MAD with 140 kgs of cocaine in three separate bags. Excerpt: "Agentes de la Poli
160 laca773 : This is certainly good news as it will allow AM to fly their 767 fleet somewhat further than what they can do now, plus the fuel savings always helps
161 ghost77 : As a reminder, Airliners.net Avioncitos Meeting tomorrow @ Sanborn's MEX, 16:30pm. g77
162 AM001 : Weren't code shares supposed to be restarted this past weekend? At least DL is not showing any AM-operated flights on their system yet... Any news on
163 Mexicana757 : With Mexico getting CAT I back, Volaris will operate their newest route GDL-MDW daily. The flight will continue to operate after January 29, 2011. The
164 FATFlyer : Fresno airport management is now saying in the media that they expect to announce new service to Mexico in the next week or two. They expect a start o
165 Post contains links LatinPlane : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs20wRPq5ic&feature=related I became a kid again watching this video.
166 Tomassjc : I used to have those announcements memorized "We will do our best to make your flight a pleasent one" Great memories. Thanks for sharing! Tomas SJC
167 Mexicana757 : You are correct FATFlyer, Volaris has been in talks with FAT and the airline has also stated they will start the route soon. Other cities Volaris is
168 FATFlyer : As WhatUSaid and I both posted above a few weeks ago, a few of us locally have heard that talks were happening and a draft contract was in the works.
169 WhatUsaid : I wonder about that additional capacity in the FAT-GDL market that Widmar is talking of? Certainly, Volaris packs more passengers into their aircraft
170 FATFlyer : LOL, add in a connection at GDL and I used to just assume my arrival day in Mexico was a lost day. I've never seen the airport go to the city council
171 pzurita1 : Remeber Aeromexico charter experiment, Aeromexico Travel? Well, it did not last long. It has been announced that Aeromexico is going to this brand. Al
172 EddieDude : Interesting. Thank you. I would imagine this is a result of the new agreements with the unions as you say. I was wondering if maybe the Transavia 738
173 ghost77 : Where did you read this? When exactly they say Travel is to disappear? I understood those 03 - MD83s were to be flown all 2011. g77 PD. I'm back guys
174 WhatUsaid : I noticed that Volaris is now telling the media of plans to enter SMF in 2011. Are the other low-fare carriers looking at these secondary markets or a
175 AR385 : The AM 73G, AM 944 that brought me from MEX to MTY on Wednesday evening was all white, with a an AM painted nosecone of the older silver metal livery.
176 Post contains links and images ghost77 : I believe it was this one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Ricardo Morales - flyAPM g77
177 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Welcome back ghost, good to see you contributing here again.
178 AR385 : Could be. The nose cone definitely was. About the rest of the fuselage I have my doubts, I would have swore it was white although by then I was so kna
179 Post contains links LAXintl : There was a question earlier about what happended to code-shares. Well Delta today announced it will resume its Aeromexico code-shares on Dececember 2
180 Post contains links pzurita1 : More details in El Norte (only for subscribers) http://www.elnorte.com/negocios/arti...ta=elnorte&DirCobertura=&TipoCob=0 It does not mention
181 Post contains links WhatUsaid : Volaris makes it official, more or less. Fresno is the 5th U.S. city to be served.... http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/12/22/...cost-mexican-airline-to-b
182 SJOtoLIR : Changes of Copa Airlines in Mexico: Panama City - Cancun CM PTY-CUN 21x weekly will operate as: CM PTY-CUN 14x weekly with 73G + CM PTY-CUN 7x weekly
183 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : I noticed in the comments for this picture View Large View MediumPhoto © Je89 W. that someone has said that Mexicana will be restarting operations on
184 N623JB : I think it is true as well. Also, some people have said in the past that they "ceased operations". Well..they didnt. they "suspended operations". Peo
185 kiwiandrew : I acknowledge the difference , but on the other hand , sometimes the difference between "suspended" and "ceased" is little more than wishful thinking
186 ghost77 : Thanks indeed, Travel and seems like AeroMexico Connect anytime in this year might dissappear too. Brands only as everything will be named, Aeromexic
187 Tomassjc : Any ides where these birds coming from? Tomas SJC
188 kiwiandrew : Thanks for the post Ghost77 , do you have a source or a link ? I can't find anything in the news for this , even the Mexicana website is silent about
189 AM744 : Interesting. Do you happen to know if the Go/Frecuenta FF programmes will be resumed at some point?
190 N623JB : Im so excited that Mexicana is returning to the skies. I look forward to seeing their planes here at JFK.
191 EddieDude : I dunno guys, I still feel quite skeptical. I guess I need to be proved wrong. oneworld membership will terminate, correct? On a different subjet, I w
192 AR385 : I sincerely hope this is true, but I have my doubts: January and February with 6 A320s: Fying, according to the post: MEX, CUN, GDL, LAX, SAT, SFO, O
193 Post contains links ghost77 : Yes, A320 and A319 from ACG A319 from CIT A320 from ORIX A320 from BancoMext E-mail me via any of my photos on db and I'll send you the PDF file. Nop
194 AM744 : Going back to more down to earth stuff. Any news on the winglet fittings for AM 767s? Would that be possible given that the planes are leased? Who wou
195 SCL767 : Effective January 8, 2011, LAN will reestablish its code-share with Aeroméxico on the SCL-MEX route. LAN's code LA will appear on AM010/AM011. AM's c
196 EddieDude : Thanks for the news SCL767. Interesting. I wonder why the change of heart.
197 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN and AM never severed their tight relationship, (just the SCL-MEX code-share temporarily). AM is a quality carrier which dominates the Mexican mar
198 EddieDude : Okay, thanks. I would like to understand the rationale behind the temporary suspension of the codeshare. After all, the suspension did not last long
199 laca773 : Congratulations to Fresno and Volaris! I think they'll do very well with this route.
200 SCL767 : Many things have changed since then, including the collapse of MX, the revised bilateral between México and Perú, and LAN's entry into the Colombia
201 wingedtaurus : AM announced it will increase its Asian destination frequencies in the upcoming months PVG will go from 2 to 3 weekly and NRT from 3 to 4. is AM shari
202 AR385 : If they do, what a mistake. An airline with mediocre/good service like AM adding a codeshare with one worth describing with qualificatives I´ll bett
203 ghost77 : True, as soon as another Boeing 767-200ER joins the airline. Must be by March that AM goes 3X to PVG and 4X to NRT. g77
204 Mexicana757 : Volaris to start flights to LAS from GDL March 30th. Flights will operate daily with A319. GDL-LAS Y4 960 1:00pm-220pm LAS-GDL Y4 961 440pm-850pm Seem
205 EddieDude : Yes, AR is a really surprising choice by SkyTeam. It seems like they just added a S. American carrier for the sake of having one, without any regard t
206 ghost77 : Aviacsa returns. Right now, being 4:28pm local time in MEX a Boeing 737-200, XA-UIU from Aviacsa has took off. 2 more will follow as I'm posting. It's
207 laca773 : Best of luck to Aviacsa. Do they have plans to buy or lease much more efficient a/c such as the 73G?
208 ghost77 : I don't think so. The good thing is that they own the B732s so even thou they burn much more fuel, they don't pay leases. Most probably, will go for B
209 Mexicana757 : Good to hear. Best of luck to Aviacsa. Would be nice if they went for the 717s Click had.
210 ghost77 : Alright, first flight is off the ground, they're flying: MEX-ACA-MEX As soon as it lands, 30 minutes later a second flight will do with another crew a
211 SJOtoLIR : Fifth destination in the US deployed by Y4: Los Angeles, San Jose, Chicago Midway, Oakland and Las Vegas soon. . AeroMexico will begin a code-share s
212 EddieDude : Good for them! It is a sound idea. I think AM should also codeshare on some of UX' domestic flights ex-BCN and ex-MAD.
213 SJOtoLIR : Continental Airlines will start Los Angeles - Guadalajara service. CO 672..............LAX 08:20..............GDL 13:15............Daily.............7
214 wingedtaurus : Talking about GDL do we know how is the CM GDL-PTY doing? and what about those rumoours that IB would schedule a dedicated service?
215 ghost77 : Well, so far the've added 3 Boeing 738s from TRANSAVIA which come off from lease on the first week of May 2011. They've added XA-AMX which was an ex.
216 ghost77 : Prepare your camaras!!! Today, Aeromar's first CRJ200ER arrives to MEX from TUS. 4:00pm LT. g77
217 ghost77 : AeroMar's first and second CRJ200ER are in Mexican soil being the 4th carrier to fly this bird after and in this particular order: 1. Alma - Aerolíne
218 EddieDude : I wish all the best to Aeromar. Hopefully the CRJs will help them grow and make profits. Do you know if they will keep a mixed ATR/CRJ fleet for the l
219 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I don't know the answer. However, CM PTY-GDL 4x weekly is not forming part of their 2011 expansion plans related to any increase of their regular fre
220 pzurita1 : What did the government of Coahuila had to do with VW CRJs?
221 ghost77 : Supposedly 4 more CRJ's will join for a total of 6 and 2 ATR's will leave. But the ATR will still be flown. There are some airports that it's impossi
222 yvr1968 : Is MX relaunch really happening? Supposedly one week to launch and website has no information? If this is happening, are the first flights going to be
223 AR385 : No, but that is my opinion only. Others here will say it will happen come hail rain or snow. SInce I have not seen no numbers for the short term "6"p
224 wingedtaurus : How is AM doing in the MEX-HAV routes? Would they start flying non-stop instead of stopping in CUN or MID? I remember that this was a very profitable
225 AM744 : Or GUA!!! MX had 3 daily flights at some point. Who is covering this route? TACA?
226 EddieDude : I believe AM is considering GUA for launch sometimes this year. PTY is another destination in C. America that AM has mentioned is in its radar.
227 Post contains links MaverickM11 : It's pushed back to February apparently (in Spanish): http://www.aerolatinnews.com/index.php?sector=noticias&noticia=20935
228 yvr1968 : I guess that would make sense... 1 week to (alleged) start up and cannot buy a seat! Even if it does happen in February, they may want to start selli
229 ghost77 : No airline has been able to fill MX gap. Now, it's a government thing and problem. No matter what, MX will return because of the effects and looses to
230 MaverickM11 : How do you mean? Virtually every airport group is reporting passenger numbers that are flat or up year over year, barely down at worst. Perhaps no si
231 laca773 : I agree with you, ghost77. I have learned a great deal from all of my efriends in Mexico. Thanks so much for that. It's a real shame, AM can't get pa
232 ghost77 : No Mexican airline. MX was a 110 aircraft airline, nearly 12,000 seats. So far, these are the capacity boost in the last 150 days / 5 months. Aeromar
233 Post contains links david_mx : And it's official!!! Interjet will buy 15 Sukhoi 100 http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/news/company/?id=3843 I'm shocked!!! I'm amazed!!! I always wanted to s
234 AR385 : These number of 12,000 seats you are using makes no sense because the important thing here are the average load factors. Yes, MX may have had a fleet
235 yvr1968 : Although a tiny part of MX's network, much of the Canadian capacity has been replaced. AC was very quick off the heels of MX's demise. Within days, ne
236 SJOtoLIR : TA GUA-MEX has barely increased the capacity from 7x to 10x weekly since the demise of MX MEX-GUA. Regards.[Edited 2011-01-18 05:23:07]
237 Post contains images MaverickM11 : There's very little data that would lead me to believe another airline is needed. The passenger numbers barely moved following MX' demise; those are
238 Post contains links Aeolus : Please continue on: Warrior Fight! - Mexican Aviation Thread 7 -Aeolus
239 SJOtoLIR : American Airlines will modify its strategy on Miami - Mexico City service during the US summer break: 2010: AA MIA-MEX............1x daily with 757 +
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