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Skywest To Transition Flying To IAH In 2011  
User currently offlinebriguy1974 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10111 times:

United announced in their recent earnings call that they will begin new 66 seat regional flying in IAH, EWR, and CLE. It goes on to say that OO will reposition 20 66 seat CRJ aircraft to IAH from the 3 hubs of ORD, DEN and SFO. With the move OO will open an IAH crew base and Line MX base. The move begins with 10 aircraft in JAN and 10 more in FEB.

Not sure if this means the CO/UA scope clause issue has been solved by just ignoring the existing CO scope clause and using the UA one. Some feathers are going to be ruffled by this move.

It also raises interesting questions about what routes out of the current hubs are going to lose 66 seat service? OO is running thin already. It also does not mention LAX losing any 66 seat flying. Is this in response to the recent announcements made by AA?

It does not offer any details to what UA flying will be done out of EWR or CLE? Any idea's?

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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

That will be very interesting to see how that pans out.

Also will be curious to see if the out and back philosophy stays around..or will there be flights like IAH-OKC-ORD moving planes around as opposed to a IAH-OKC-IAH routing.

Being that so few cities are showing up in the schedule for the spring with 66 seat jets, that means more announcements will be happening soon.


User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

On another note, the CAL side of the schedule is VERY generic and vanilla in March. I know that is typical, but I do feel like some time around first of March will be a transition period for a big wave of changes. (I can't find the previously scheduled 70 seat jet departures out of IAH anymore in Feb. I may be looking in the wrong spot.

We'll see something soon I bet!


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

Quoting briguy1974 (Thread starter):

Not sure if this means the CO/UA scope clause issue has been solved by just ignoring the existing CO scope clause and using the UA one. Some feathers are going to be ruffled by this move.

Nothing solved, and nothing being ignored. United is still very much a separate company from CO only operating under the same holding company. Separate seniority lists and separate work rules. Separate LOAs as well.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9826 times:
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I can see some of the CR7s being re-positioned in IAH flying on the longer COEX flights out of IAH. Even though I'm not a fan of any CR2/CR7/ERJ, I will admit the CR7 beats any ERJ by COEX on a flight over 1.5 hours. They can also offer a much nicer product in those marktets that are longer and thinner.

User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9822 times:

So what happens to the elephant in the room? (ASA/ExpressJet)


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9811 times:

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 5):
So what happens to the elephant in the room? (ASA/ExpressJet)

The Express Jet name will go away. All those 145s will say Atlantic Southeast Airlines at some point in the future. Nothing much will change though if you really think about it. All of ASA's CR2 and 7s are accounted for as it is; With the latter aready flying for Delta and the agreement with United for the 50 seaters.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9786 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 2):
On another note, the CAL side of the schedule is VERY generic and vanilla in March. I know that is typical, but I do feel like some time around first of March will be a transition period for a big wave of changes. (I can't find the previously scheduled 70 seat jet departures out of IAH anymore in Feb. I may be looking in the wrong spot.

We'll see something soon I bet!

Schedule is just not uploaded yet.



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User currently offlinebriguy1974 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9737 times:

Thus my surprise, Why not use ASA metal on the new 66 seat flying? Why bring in United OO 66 seat metal in and have more carriers in a city like IAH. Is SFO and or LAX going to start seeing express jet birds going through? I understand the ASE market as one unique market requiring the CRJ-700 performance but UA Skywest birds? It just seems odd to me. If you are going to use United metal anyways why not just buy express jet for the assets and call it Skywest. I understand the union side of the story but as it turns out non union Skywest pilots will be doing the flying initially so it seems it really does not matter.

User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 9676 times:

Quoting briguy1974 (Reply 8):
Why not use ASA metal on the new 66 seat flying? Why bring in United OO 66 seat metal in and have more carriers in a city like IAH.

Methinks they may be walking a very narrow scope clause line between the two ALPA contracts (CO and UA) in regards to 70 seat flying requiring this convoluted setup.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 9671 times:

Quoting briguy1974 (Reply 8):
Why not use ASA metal on the new 66 seat flying?



There is none. United doesn't have an agreement with ASA for CR7s. All of ASA's CR7s are operating under DCI. For it to be ASA metal, SkyWest would have to transfer frames from its own operation to the ASA certificate. With the way things are now, I'm pretty sure they don't have enough slack in the schedule to do that.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9635 times:

This move is to be expected as OO handles just about all the UAX flying West of the Mississippi these days. The ExPlus product is excellent and will prove extremely popular with the IAH FFs who will no longer have to endure the tiny 50 seat RJs on some pretty long routes and/or important routes! Now, hopefully other ExPlus UAX carriers (GoJet and Mesa specifically, since Shuttle America will have its hands full positioning E-170s at EWR) can fill the void at ORD and DEN, but I'm quite worried about SFO, where OO is the only UAX carrier! My hope is that they replace the departing CR7s with mainline on the key routes like SFO-MCI, SFO-SNA, SFO-SEA, SFO-PDX, and SFO-YYC. But, I'm sure downgrades to CRJs on several SFO routes are more likely .


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9603 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
I'm pretty sure they don't have enough slack in the schedule to do that.

Doesn't Skywest have a lot of CR7s on order still? They ordered a boatload some years ago, with lots of options...



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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 7):

NO, really?   (I think that's what I was saying, but thanks for re-stating)

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
My hope is that they replace the departing CR7s with mainline on the key routes

I agree. And it would not shock me to see that some of the CR7's are actually replacing mainline at IAH (esp 735 routes) to move those 735's onto what was formally United CR7 territory...with E+ added.

Still, 20 frames is quite a few birds. It's just guessing at this point, but I can see where those CR7's get used to replace mainline while mainline frames get E+ added.

(A little off topic, but related) Additionally, I can see where A320's get moved in to relieve 738 routes while they get their E+ added.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

Quoting briguy1974 (Reply 8):
I understand the ASE market as one unique market requiring the CRJ-700 performance but UA Skywest birds?

Since no other CRJ-700 carrier in the country has authorization to fly into that city, the only logical choice to to fly there be the one that already has authorization to do so.  



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9301 times:

This was discussed in another thread, the schedules are out already;

IAH changes;

IAH-ABQ (3 ERJ145, 1 CR-7, 1 737-500)
IAH-ATL (5 ERJ145, 1 CR-7, 2 737-500)
IAH-COS (2 ERJ145, 3 CR-7)
IAH-CMH (4 ERJ145, 1 CR-7
IAH-DFW (6 ERJ145, 2 CR-7, 1 737-500)
IAH-DTW (1 CR-7, 3 737-500, 1 737-800)
IAH-ELP (3 ERJ145, 2 CR-7, 1 737-500)
IAH-GRR (1 ERJ145, 1 CR-7)
IAH-MCI (7 ERJ145, 2 CR-7, 1 737-500)
IAH-MKE (4 ERJ145, 1 CR-7)
IAH-OKC (7 ERJ145, 1 CR-7, 1 737-500)
IAH-PHX (1 ERJ145, 1 CR-7, 4 737-900, 1 757)
IAH-PIT (2 ERJ145, 1 CR-7, 1 737-500, 1 737-800)
IAH-SLC (1 CR-7, 1 737-800, 1 737-900)
IAH-YYZ (1 ERJ145, 3 CR-7
IAH-TUS (1 ERJ145, 2 CR-7, 1 737-500)
IAH-IAD (1 ERJ145, 1 CR-7, 4 757)

EWR changes;

EWR-ATL ( 2 ERJ145, 2 ERJ-170, 2 737-500, 1 737-700)
EWR-STL (3 ERJ145, 2 ERJ-170)
EWR-DTW (2 ERJ145, 4 ERJ-170)
EWR-CLT (1 ERJ145, 1 ERJ-170, 4 737-500)
EWR-RDU (1 ERJ145, 2 ERJ-170, 4 Q400)
EWR-PIT (1 ERJ-170, 6 Q400)
EWR-CMH (2 ERJ145, 1 ERJ-170, 3 Q400)
EWR-IND (3 ERJ145, 2 ERJ-170)


Eff February 17, 2011
CO1470 IAH-RNO 0900-1105 B738
CO1480 RNO-IAH 1137-1659 B738

Eff February 20, 2011
UA136 SFO-MSY 1610-2228 A319
UA497 MSY-SFO 0700-0947 A319

Eff March 3, 2011
CO2680 IAH-HOB 1125-1205 ER4
CO2776 IAH-HOB 1800-1840 ER4
CO2601 HOB-IAH 0700-0940 ER4
CO2602 HOB-IAH 1225-1505 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

Eff March 6, 2011
UA6732 LAX-AUS 1045-1536 CR7
UA6888 LAX-AUS 1840-2331 CR7
UA6712 AUS-LAX 0633-0755 CR7
UA6732 AUS-LAX 1607-1729 CR7
Operated by Skywest

Eff March 14, 2011
CO8748 CLE-CVG 0740-0900 DH8
CO8749 CLE-CVG 1640-1800 DH8
CO8666 CLE-CVG 2035-2035 DH8
CO8821 CVG-CLE 0705-0820 DH8
CO8789 CVG-CLE 0920-1035 DH8
CO8788 CVG-CLE 1820-1935 DH8
Operated by Commutair

Eff April 1, 2011
CO1171 IAH-BFL 0940-1130 CR7
CO1172 IAH-BFL 2045-2235 CR7
CO1173 BFL-IAH 0615-1145 CR7
CO1174 BFL-IAH 1205-1735 CR7
Operated by Skywest

Eff April 3, 2011
UA5930 IAD-SDF 1715-1852 ER4
UA5930 SDF-IAD 1415-1549 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

UA7515 IAD-MSP 0830-1016 E170
UA7569 IAD-MSP 1700-1846 E170
UA7515 MSP-IAD 1230-1554 E170
UA7566 MSP-IAD 1730-2054 E170
Operated by Shuttle America

UA503 IAD-SLC 1850-2125 A319
UA388 SLC-IAD 0750-1357 A319

UA6557 IAD-TUL 1850-2039 CR7
UA6984 TUL-IAD 1215-1551 CR7
Operated by Skywest

UA5985 DEN-DAL 0910-1208 ER4
UA5993 DEN-DAL 1620-1918 ER4
UA6057 DAL-DEN 0940-1034 ER4
UA6017 DAL-DEN 1950-2044 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

UA5957 DEN-AMA 1005-1221 ER4
UA5988 DEN-AMA 1925-2143 ER4
UA5915 AMA-DEN 0910-0924 ER4
UA5957 AMA-DEN 1315-1331 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

UA5903 DEN-LBB 1405-1634 ER4
UA6020 DEN-LBB 1925-2156 ER4
UA6064 LBB-DEN 0855-0921 ER4
UA5903 LBB-DEN 1715-1743 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

Eff May 3, 2011
CO2147 IAH-CID 1440-1650 ER4
CO2286 IAH-CID 1950-2200 ER4
CO2781 CID-IAH 0700-0920 ER4
CO2836 CID-IAH 1720-1940 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

CO2399 IAH-GJT 0900-1040 ER4
CO2400 IAH-GJT 1820-2000 ER4
CO2848 GJT-IAH 0600-0930 ER4
CO3141 GJT-IAH 1110-1440 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

CO1282 IAH-YUL 1300-1730 E170
CO1276 YUL-IAH 1705-2000 E170
Operated by Shuttle America

CO2823 EWR-DSM 1900-2115 ER4
CO3123 DSM-EWR 0715-1130 ER4
Operated by ExpressJet

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...al_aviation/read.main/4961671/1/#1



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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
This was discussed in another thread, the schedules are out already

Yes, THE SCHEDULE was discussed in another thread, but I really don't think that was the intent of the OP or the subsequent comments. In fact, the Continental web site as of yesterday evening had taken down many of the CR7 schedules that had been placed.

I haven't done a detailed analysis, but I don't think 20 frames is needed to run the schedule listed. In other words, more stuff is certainly coming. The other non-schedule related concern is how it affects the UA side.

But I digress.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

Getting a CR7 with a premium cabin on CRW-IAH would be great.

User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
UA503 IAD-SLC 1850-2125 A319
UA388 SLC-IAD 0750-1357 A319

Really? That's awesome!!! I knew they'd start a flight to IAD!!!


User currently offlinedashman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8287 times:

Word on the street is Skywest is getting 8 CRJs from QX. QX has 5 more beyond those to get rid of. That would go a long way to filling that 20 plane gap

User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Quoting dashman (Reply 19):
Word on the street is Skywest is getting 8 CRJs from QX

That would make lots of sense...plus Q's are on the way as well. I know the United side is worried about redeployment...but I bet it works out for everyone's benefit. E+ is more important to me right now than anything else.


User currently offlineSMPPLNOHoW2FLY From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

We also heard about an MSP crew base opening up soon as well, anything about that?


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User currently offlinedashman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

Interesting I heard PDX crew base for those CRJs. Seems unlikely unless they were going to fly previously serviced QX CRJ cities that are too long stage for Q400.

User currently offlinejetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

Are they really going to try to turn a 737-800 in Reno in 32 minutes?

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

Quoting SMPPLNOHoW2FLY (Reply 21):
We also heard about an MSP crew base opening up soon as well, anything about that?

If it's SkyWest, it wouldn't surprise me as they've picked up quite a bit of 50-seat flying out of MSP for DCI.


25 ah414211 : Yes, SkyWest is opening a crew domicile in MSP in February of 2011.
26 drerx7 : This makes me think its more to the story...that bird could be coming from somewhere else...
27 amwest2united : As mention, about OO moving in, they are also moving out the same number of ExpressJet 145 to ORD, DEN and IAD. There will be COntinental Express pla
28 briguy1974 : No 145's to SFO or LAX??? Why is UA all about keeping SFO and LAX all OO? All the other hubs have a mixxed bag? There was once a Mesa 70 seater to AUS
29 ramprat74 : I hope with Skywest moving some of their CR7's to IAH. We will see more mainline on the PDX-SFO and PDX-DEN routes.
30 DeltAirlines : Biggest disappointment is no ExPlus on the MSP-IAH/EWR routes. We get IAD at least, but the allure of 1000-mile ERJ-145 flights to IAH/EWR is not appe
31 STT757 : I've flown MSP-EWR on the ERJ, it was fine but there's definitely enough traffic to support ERJ-170s.
32 WhatUsaid : The schedule changes are showing up at UA. FAT and SBA lost their CR7's to DEN. EUG lost their CR7's to SFO. I'm sure there are plenty more. Misery...
33 DeltAirlines : I used to fly Continental on this route (as they have a better schedule than Delta for me); however, after doing MSP-EWR on those ERJs several times
34 SurfandSnow : Man, these are all strong UA stations too. That's too bad. Then again, F9's new DEN-SBA service can't be helping matters much!
35 kgaiflyer : According to "Planespotters" OO took delivery of 14 CR7s in 2009 and 5 more in 2010. In addition, I've traveled recently on OO CR7s with red stripes
36 Goldenshield : The -700's don't swap systems.
37 Post contains images kgaiflyer : According to the QX web site, 17 CR7s are still in service. However "Planespotters" says that N601QX-N609QX and N609QX-N619QX are in active service w
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm not 100% sure of the ship #s but quite a few of the ex QX 700s went to ASA and are flying under the DCI banner. None have been repainted, however
39 FlyHossD : Two words: Scope violation. At least, CAL ALPA thinks so and said so yesterday to the CAL pilots in their weekly email newsletter. Will UA/CO honor th
40 Goldenshield : On one hand, I'd say, you're right. On the other, I'd say, "They fly under UAL scope. Screw what you think."
41 FlyHossD : The flights are being marketed as CO flights, so it seems that the CO Scope clause would apply. I'm only 100% certain of one thing, the attorneys wil
42 sldispatcher : Sigh. I would hope that the CAL ALPA don't do typical leming tactics and head off a cliff. Those of us in smaller cities are paying outlandishly high
43 FlyHossD : I'm not sure what you mean here - please explain. Why would the CO pilots favor outsourcing of their jobs? They only have to look as far as their UA
44 FlyASAGuy2005 : There's no choice. The two groups have polar scope clauses. Something will have to be hashed out by SOC. What they do now, will be fought by both sid
45 as739x : Golden's correct. No CR7 between UA and DL flying. This is the reason they all have either a UA or DL livery. Delta CR7 70 seats/no first United CR7
46 alitalia744 : Delta's CR7 a/c are equipped with first FYI. Config is 9F/55Y
47 Goldenshield : Lawyers suck. Oh well. We'll see what happens. Actually, the DL CR7's are now 65 seats. I don't know the seat layout, but there are 5-6 first seats,
48 as739x : I stand corrected. But just supporting your fact the planes do not interchange!
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : You are correct in that respect. Only certain a/c are rotated between both carriers. Even on the 200s, they contracts are ship specific. A very small
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