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Suspicious Packages On UPS Planes At PHL And EWR  
User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19579 times:

Multiple news sources are reporting up to 5 suspicious packages on UPS planes at PHL and EWR. UPS building at PHL has been evacuated and bomb squad has just arrived.

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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19542 times:

I'm guessing a false alarm or some disgruntled (ex-)employee...


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7196 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19533 times:
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A crew member arriving on a UPS flight from Paris notified authorities of a suspicious package on board describing a potential radiological component, a local CBS affiliate reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/29...threat-philadelphia-international/


User currently offlineUNCRDU From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 195 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19485 times:

CNN is reporting that a bomb was indeed found on one of the flights. UPS-Yemen Chicago flight, the bomb was apparently disguised as a toner cartridge.

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7196 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19339 times:
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Three different planes can't be a coincidence.   

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...spicious-package-aboard-ups-plane/


User currently offlineDC10BHX From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19336 times:

I am off work today but a colleague has told me there has been a security alert regarding a UPS fight that has diverted into
EMA (East Midlands Airport in the UK). The handling facility has been evacuated, but the PAX terminal is not affected.

Somehow I doubt this is a disgruntled ex-employee.



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User currently offlinealasdair1982 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2008, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19210 times:

The live footage of the UPS 777? at PHL on the BBC is showing strange activity by the right hand side engine, almost like sparks flying?  

[Edited 2010-10-29 08:39:49]

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3096 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19147 times:

Courtesy: MyFoxPhilly Live

Live Coverage On The Subject

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/subindex/video/live_video_2


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19109 times:

Quoting alasdair1982 (Reply 7):
The live footage of the UPS 777? at PHL on the BBC is showing strange activity by the right hand side engine, almost like sparks flying?

I saw that too and I believe it's a 757.


User currently offlineUNCRDU From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 195 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18619 times:

CNN is now backtracking from the "bomb" comment and is saying that it doesn't know what is on the planes.

User currently offlineEGLL From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18527 times:

From the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11654390



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User currently offlineBritishWorld From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17925 times:

Further information from BBC News: their correspondents understand that the East Midlands package did indeed originate from Yemen, but that it was not a bomb, but that it did 'look sinister', as a package that had been altered with wires and other internal changes. There is no indication that the package discovered at East Midlands was a functioning explosive device, and the package has now been sent to a laboratory for scientific and forensic analysis.

BBC News graphics have now been changed from "Plane Bomb Alert" to "Plane Terror Alert".



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3611 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16866 times:

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 3):
CNN is reporting that a bomb was indeed found on one of the flights. UPS-Yemen Chicago flight, the bomb was apparently disguised as a toner cartridge.

CNN now makes no mention of a bomb. Typical knee-jerk reaction from the media, and possibly the government.

The FBI is apparently saying it was an "altered" toner cartridge, but no explosives were found. The way they're describing the toner cartridge to me sounds mostly like a regular old toner cartridge - a circuit board with wires sticking out of it is apparently the "suspicious" part, but these are in every toner cartridge. Maybe it's just been broken. (It is a UPS package...)

They do also say there's "white powder", but as we've seen with pretty much everything else since 2002, "white powder" is almost always nothing.

Could still turn out to be something, but I'm betting not. Probably just as likely somebody is hiding cocaine in toner cartridges. Or that it's just a broken toner cartridge and the "white powder" is pulverized plastic.

[Edited 2010-10-29 10:16:52]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16562 times:

I doubt that UPS operates cargo flights in and out of Yemen.

usual routing for such cargo would be commercial to Europe, most likely to FRA - in bond by truck/van to CGN sorting centre and from there on a flight to the US which routes via EMA, some of them at least. When a parcel travelling all the way form Yemen to the US becomes "suspicious" on a delivery truck in Brooklyn (how can that happen, do they have x-ray scanners in these trucks?), then indeed UPS and some others have a problem. Either a security problem or a problem with paranoia.

Or the press has screwed up the details completely.



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User currently offlinekric777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16150 times:
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I'm the last one to be alarmist, and it does indeed seem like this was much ado about nothing....

But could this have been a "dry run", or a "test" where the bad guys shipped a bunch of innocuous stuff that *looked like* harmful, explosive stuff....to see if it would be noticed?

If so, I am almost thankful that this has indeed been noticed by the authorities (and subsequently overblown by the typical media buffoons)...it would seem to tell the bad guys that they need to try another tactic, because this one will get noticed.


User currently offline666wizard From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16106 times:

And...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11654390

Obviously this is an ongoing event.

Brian


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16073 times:

Quoting kric777 (Reply 14):
But could this have been a "dry run", or a "test" where the bad guys shipped a bunch of innocuous stuff that *looked like* harmful, explosive stuff....to see if it would be noticed?

Official: US probes possible dry run for bomb plot

WASHINGTON – A U.S. official says authorities are investigating whether a string of suspicious packages was a dry run for a plot to send bombs through the mail.

source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_...9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNicmVha2luZ25ld3M-



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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16072 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/sec...concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Strange. Sure makes you think "dry run".


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15988 times:

Oh great. More paranoia and overreaction from media and governments. Just what we need.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15949 times:

One of the "bombs" was found in Dubai. Sure makes you wonder a bit about UPS 6, doesn't?

(Yes, I know UPS 6 was carrying lithium batteries)



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2053 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15146 times:

Perhaps this will result in in cargo getting the same poking and prodding as the people that fly on airplanes.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5570 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 14974 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 20):
Oh great. More paranoia and overreaction from media and governments. Just what we need.

  

Quoting silentbob (Reply 23):


Perhaps this will result in in cargo getting the same poking and prodding as the people that fly on airplanes.

Nope, just another excuse the government will use to strip search us at airports.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 15047 times:

Looks like NORAD has sent up fighters to escort a commercial airliner inbound to JFK from Dubai.


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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 14888 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 23):
Perhaps this will result in in cargo getting the same poking and prodding as the people that fly on airplanes.

It would be absolutely impossible to screen all of the cargo that is transported on cargo only airlines. The massive volume of packages would prohibit that. However, this might bring about a greater effort to make sure cargo being shipped on PAX flights is screened 100%.


User currently offlineVictr From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 15136 times:

also checking Emirates FLT # 201


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25 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/...059186.html?boxes=financechannelAP "Associated Press UAE source: explosive found in Yemen shipment By ADAM SCHR
26 MakeMinesLAX : Not the toner cartridges I've seen. These are mechanical devices, and the only "smarts" they generally need is signalling a toner low/out condition.
27 noelg : Considering the emphasis on EMA as the centre of this at the moment, I am surprised at how poorly the media are handling it. BBC News this evening sai
28 Post contains links fca767 : The Best Whole story I've read is on here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/30/us/30plane.html?_r=1&hp British officials ordered a UPS cargo sortin
29 Post contains links anshuk : EK 201 into New York was escorted by fighter jets "out of an abundance of caution". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11654390 Does anybody ha
30 AirNZ : Okay, on what basis are you 'guessing' this? Considering that it has occurred in aircraft in both the US and UK that must really be some disgruntled(
31 Post contains links fca767 : Wow! http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29...security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1
32 Woof : Sky now reporting that packages did contain explosive materials.
33 PlaneWasted : According to Swedish media, president Obama has now confirmed that there was explosives in the packages.
34 Post contains links anshuk : President Obama confirmed that there were explosives at a press conference. Also, some interesting photos of the activity around the said UPS aircraft
35 climb1 : The Met has national responsibilities such as co-ordinating and leading on counter-terrorism matters. Its not unusual to see them involved.
36 413X3 : Or a contractor on a small cargo plane to Dubai where it would fly on UPS metal to CGN then CGN to PHL all on 747's.
37 Post contains links MarkHKG : This is going to be awfully speculative, but I am curious if these recent developments will refocus part of the UPS B- 747-400 Dubai crash investigati
38 catiii : I wondered the exact same thing. A colleague in my office represents UPS, and was telling me that the airplane in question was carrying electronics a
39 suseJ772 : I thought the same thing. I know it is circumstantial, and I know there were lithium batteries on UPS 6, but I would think this would at least cause
40 catiii : Or even just look to see if any of the packages originated in Yemen.
41 stasisLAX : That was the first thing that jumped to my mind when today's terrrorist news broke. Was the Dubai crash related to today's events? A botched "dry run
42 ltbewr : I suspect this recent scare will cause too many politicians to call for more security theater for cargo flights. Now that shipping from Yemen won't wo
43 Dizzy777 : How exactly is this a good thing?? All the intense media and political noise being made only tells them "We know about this, if you do it again, we c
44 B6A322 : Ultimately, if it doesn't come down to civilian fatalities, it comes down to fear. If terrorists (or other extremist groups) succeed in instilling so
45 Giancavia : I dunno a jumbo falling out of the sky can cause alot of fatalities on the ground if its in the right place.. as can an explosion at the main bases o
46 Post contains links LTC8K6 : Does this sound like they were meant for a person or an airliner? "The source close to the investigation said the type of material found in the device
47 Maverick623 : Considering that freight is hardly ever screened at all, I'd say it's about time. I've been saying it for a while now: the next successful attack on
48 Mudboy : It amazes me how many know-it-alls are on here whining about security measures that might make us safer, and the same people would whine that not enou
49 COA735 : I couldn't have said it better myself. Well said sir.
50 PanHAM : It is absolutely possible and it is done. The safety standards in the EU are so that the transport chaoin of air cargo is "secured" and that includes
51 alasdair1982 : I am sort of confused about what extra security measures the UK needs to implement other than suspending flights to/from Yemen and wherever else in fu
52 alasdair1982 : Dubai authorities describing the device they discovered as a "bomb".
53 Ushermittwoch : One would think not, but I am sure there will be some new kind of security measures implemented... Some people have to earn more money...
54 Redcoat78 : I quote totally your point of view (I can tell this by working in airline security department..)
55 Redcoat78 : On Italian blog it is supposed a link between these recent alarms and the crash of the UPS on Dubai of the 3 September
56 rolfen : It is hurting the aviation business in the process.
57 HAWK21M : Out here Cargo security is given as important preference as Pax ops. As an attack can be planned from either end by those weirdos.
58 ltbewr : As of this (Saturday) morning: Saudi government security agencies apparently tipped of the USA as early as Thursday evening. The border of Yemen and S
59 par13del : Well, when the Bush administration was in power the notion was that they were behind it to keep people in fear, that administration is now gone, so a
60 PagoFlyer : So why would any air carrier/freight forwarder accept "anything" from Yemen!??
61 PanHAM : The "operations" are that they receive shipments from Yemen via schedules airlines. It still has not been said hoiw the package that was found at EMA
62 catiii : UPS and FedEx do not screen packages for explosives because they use risk based security that, until now, showed there wasn't a need to. And ultimate
63 PanHAM : In which case it would not be a surprise that exactly they are selected as targets. It is relatively easy for integratrors to install an x-ray machin
64 PanHAM : Now, there's a link to a BBC article in that other thread showing the routing of the UPS parcel which is as thought, commercial flgith Yemen to DXB, U
65 Post contains links 474218 : This is a good start: http://www.ajc.com/business/ups-fedex-suspend-service-701271.html
66 catiii : Again...FedEx and UPS weren't the targets. The Chicago synagogues were. FedEx and UPS were the mechanisms by which the bombs were being delivered.
67 catiii : Not sure what that has to do with my statement. We were discussing if the UPS 744 crash investigation in DXB would be reopened in light of yesterday'
68 alasdair1982 : It was claimed the devices could have exploded on the planes. The packages also had to be delivered.....somewhere to get accepted onto a cargo plane.
69 Post contains links 474218 : Let's see: Since the question was asked "why would any air carrier/freight forwarder accept anything" from Yemen!?? And http://www.ajc.com/business/u
70 Flying Belgian : This shows again: reliable and efficient intelligence are THE keys. Not all that excessive bs security we are faced to every day... Another lesson.
71 PanHAM : Replace "targets" with "carriers" if you want. Fact is, only these 2 integrators could have carried the packages all the way to Chicago and that make
72 474218 : I thought we were discussing "Suspicious Packages on UPS Planes At PHI and EWR"? Somehow I guess I missed that fact that it was was actually about th
73 catiii : Some of us also posited the theory that perhaps the UPS 744 DXB crash was in fact also related to this incident, and perhaps the cause was that it wa
74 474218 : Seems to me if "some of us" want to discuss a different subject, "one of you" would start a new thread? Something like "Could the UPS DXB crash have
75 catiii : Does anyone know, given that routing, how many different airplanes the package would have flown on? Is any part of that itinerary "through service?"
76 PanHAM : Three -commercial flight from SAH to DXB eitther EK or IY, DXB-CGN on UPS and CGN-EMA-PHL on UPS. Germanby has put an embargo on all freight originat
77 kaitak : Sky News is reporting this morning that one of the devices went via DOH and travelled from DOH to DXB on a QR passenger flight. QR CEO Ali Al Baker t
78 PanHAM : that bis a possible routing as well. Quite normal that not always the non-stop flights are used to connect two cities, depends on the agreements the
79 Maverick623 : They didn't work because they weren't supposed to at the time.
80 Ushermittwoch : Well, if they'd really been working well, these "devices" would not have been loaded onto any planes in the first place. I'm not buying this story.
81 PanHAM : They could be loaded only onto FX and UPS since all other options would have most likely led to a detection. 100% screening of air cargo loaded on pax
82 Post contains links alasdair1982 : The device discovered at EMA was timed to detonate over the US. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/10/cargo-plane-bomb-timed-us
83 Maverick623 : It appears I was wrong: In any case, there's now 100% screening of international cargo, and employee cargo shipments to the US from other countries i
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