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News Report: JFK Flight Being Escorted By Usaf  
User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21773 times:

Crossing the wires now, also on Fox, CNN...

Speculation it is an Emirates flight?

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User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21801 times:

Quoting catiii (Thread starter):
Speculation it is an Emirates flight?

CNN said the ETA of the flight is around 1530.

Must be the Emirates EK 201, scheduled arrival into JFK at 1415, estimating now at 1523.

[Edited 2010-10-29 12:01:20]

[Edited 2010-10-29 12:03:11]

User currently offlineaerlingusa330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21754 times:

FOX is currently saying that the flight is not known to be connected to the UPS/cargo incidents earlier. Yet...


Shamrock 136 heavy cleared for takeoff runway niner.
User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21607 times:

Fox reported the flight originated in Yemen. Does that flight originate in Sana'a and conenct through Dubai?

User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21509 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
Fox reported the flight originated in Yemen. Does that flight originate in Sana'a and conenct through Dubai?

CNN just confirmed it's Emirates EK 201; if so, it should be A6-ECR a Boeing 777-36HER, with serial number 35592.


User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21330 times:

Local news here said it was first intercepted and escorted by Canadian Air Force F-18s in their airspace.

Also said the F-18s were from CFB Bagotville (CYBG) in Québec, but they admitted it was speculation from their part as the other possible F-18 base is CFB Cold Lake in Alberta. Now escorted by US fighters.

They also said EK 201 carries a suspicious package from Yemen.



CYQB
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21276 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
Fox reported the flight originated in Yemen. Does that flight originate in Sana'a and conenct through Dubai?

No, it is from Dubai and then to Dubai. Emirates does not have through flights; as such, the flight did not originate in Yemen. However, cargo could have connected from Sanaa to New York via Dubai. Of course, passengers could also have connected, although the 19-hour connection time in Dubai to get on EK201 renders this unlikely.

[Edited 2010-10-29 12:25:09]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21286 times:

What a surprise that it's Emirates. I'm just *shocked* that it's not Qantas!

User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21179 times:

The plane originated in Yemen yesterday. There are also other packages that they are concerned about and one is on this plane.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21179 times:

I wonder what it is this time around.


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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20921 times:

Quoting Elevated (Reply 8):
The plane originated in Yemen yesterday

No, it did not: EK do not operate through flights. Moreover, EK utilise the 332 on DXB-SAH and the 77W on DXB-JFK.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20860 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
The plane originated in Yemen yesterday.

CNN reports the same.

However, data.flight24.com shows the previous flight of this aircraft was EK 513 from Delhi. Acarsd.org says the previous flight was EK 202 from New York - JFK.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20710 times:

With all the news helicopters circling JFK surprised they have not ran into each other yet.

Okie


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20643 times:

CNN/FBI saying there is cargo from YEMEN on the aircraft, which is cause for escort.


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20566 times:

The plane has now landed. I wonder if they'll let the pax de-plane the aircraft or if they'll have to wait a few hours stuck on the plane... Can't be too nice after a DXB-JFK flight.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20514 times:

DHS saying that only one piece of cargo on the flight from Yemen. No indication it presents any danger, they're just working with an abundance of caution. DHS also banning all cargo from Yemen for a minimum of the next 72 hours.

User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20460 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 7):
I'm just *shocked* that it's not Qantas!

Well, they could be shipping a package of vegemite.  


User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20201 times:

I have been watching this live on msn. I thought it was kind of funny to notice that they parked the 777-300 on the wrong bars. You can tell that the tail is sticking out too far and when they show the bar in front of the plane, it clearly says 777-300.

Aside from that, this day is just want the flying public is so scared of. Even if now bombs ever make it onto a plane again, as long as they keep finding 'packages' like today, many people will remain scared. I hope that this stuff turns out to be nothing with this flight and just a little overkill on security for a 'nothing' event.



Why sit at home and do nothing when you can travel the world.
User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20134 times:

I feel sorry for the pax.... there's going to be one long wait for their luggage.


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User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19924 times:

Quoting KhenleyDIA (Reply 17):
I have been watching this live on msn. I thought it was kind of funny to notice that they parked the 777-300 on the wrong bars. You can tell that the tail is sticking out too far and when they show the bar in front of the plane, it clearly says 777-300.

Also, I was expecting them to park the B777 on a remote stand; instead, they've parked right next to other commercial airplanes (Swiss, Iran Air, ...). Surely the threat can't be that high.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19742 times:

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 20):
Also, I was expecting them to park the B777 on a remote stand; instead, they've parked right next to other commercial airplanes (Swiss, Iran Air, ...). Surely the threat can't be that high.

And El Al. I thought that was ironic.

By the way, Iran Air doesn't fly to the United States.


User currently offlineretrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19440 times:

Oh man, I'll bet both the media and the TSA would have just loved it if the flight had actually originated in Yemen. Oh, the delight they would have had! Too bad it originated in Dubai, not nearly as exciting or as threatening as the US Gov't's favorite new Middle Eastern country-non-grata.

But that's okay, I'm sure half of the TSA (and the media for that matter) think that Yemen, Dubai, Sana'a, and the UAE are the same thing.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19134 times:

Quoting retrolivery (Reply 22):
Oh man, I'll bet both the media and the TSA would have just loved it if the flight had actually originated in Yemen. Oh, the delight they would have had! Too bad it originated in Dubai, not nearly as exciting or as threatening as the US Gov't's favorite new Middle Eastern country-non-grata.

But that's okay, I'm sure half of the TSA (and the media for that matter) think that Yemen, Dubai, Sana'a, and the UAE are the same thing.

Not to get political, but it wouldn't be the first time CNN, Fox, the BBC, Al Jazeera, etc reported the wrong information. They misreported that the flight originated in Yemen. So they got it wrong. In the flurry of information that comes in during these stories it happens.

I'm not necessarily a fan of TSA, but the fact of the matter is that the other packages did originate in Yemen, and in knowing that cargo from Yemen was on this flight they acted with an abundance of caution.


User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18141 times:

Maybe I am missing something here, but how does exactly a USAF escort help with a suspicious package on board? I mean, I can understand a escort if there is a threat of hijacking, and they want to be close at hand to shut the plane down if terrorists intend to use it as a missile. But if it is a suspcious package, it will either explode in flight and there is nothing they can do about it, or it will not and they can check it once the plane lands. Wouldn't it make more sense to divert the flight to the nearest airport as soon as they are notified of the threat and inspect the cargo there? Perhaps there is more to this story than "just" a suspicious package.   

User currently offlineFlyMIX From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16858 times:

Quoting Markam (Reply 23):
Maybe I am missing something here, but how does exactly a USAF escort help with a suspicious package on board? I mean, I can understand a escort if there is a threat of hijacking, and they want to be close at hand to shut the plane down if terrorists intend to use it as a missile. But if it is a suspcious package, it will either explode in flight and there is nothing they can do about it, or it will not and they can check it once the plane lands. Wouldn't it make more sense to divert the flight to the nearest airport as soon as they are notified of the threat and inspect the cargo there? Perhaps there is more to this story than "just" a suspicious package.

It would make sence to have another aircraft nearby to witnesses and document if anything goes wrong, and to communicate with the crew if the aircraft is damaged but still flying.


25 okie : That was my thought, what if it did explode then the conspiracy crowd would claim it was shot down. So, did those watching live grade the landing? Th
26 Post contains images Markam : Mmh ok, that makes sense.
27 bluewhale18210 : I thought the landing was just fine but my coworker said it landed hard.
28 Post contains images WesternA318 : I wonder if the DOT will fine Emirates for it?
29 B595 : Any more specifics on the US fighter aircraft? News reports say they were USAF. Is this true, or were they actually Air Guard? Where did they scramble
30 YULWinterSkies : The media managed to artificially create that "delight" even though reality is substantially different. They managed to make people believe that the
31 catiii : Sheesh...partisan much? News reports said the CF-18's were out out of Canadian Forces Base Bagotville, Quebec and the ANG F-15s were from Barnes Air
32 RicardoFG : Canadian media reports that the reason this aircraft was intercepted by Canadian F18's was of EK's failure to respond to numerous air traffic controll
33 shrek73 : What's with the Qantas and Vegemite thing. Am I missing something here mate?
34 babybus : Thank God it wasn't the A380. Let's just hope this is just the usual American over-reaction and nothing else.
35 Mudboy : What does that have to do with anything? It is called protocol, and it is there for a reason.
36 ua777222 : This is one of those times where I am amazingly impressed by the system's ability to track and manage each and every package that enters the United S
37 Jalap : Wouldn't it have been more prudent to let it land someplace else than at JFK. If it actually was a serious issue, they surely would have diverted it t
38 ua777222 : With the exception of Bangor, I can't think of a large airport that could handle the aircraft of that size that wouldn't be populated like JFK or fur
39 JQflightie : I dont get the joke? have i missed something?
40 Mudboy : I think he was being sarcastic? The joke is that you would never think Quantas would be involved in something like this, yet EK, is it that big of a
41 rolfen : Something doesn't smell right about this whole thing. It doesn't fit! There are lots of "might" and "may" in the news. And what's that about laser to
42 netjetsintl : that's what i was thinking. Why not ask them POLITELY to land in Gander, Halifax or Bangor (Maine) instead of escorting the plane for 3 hours. If it
43 soon7x7 : As the politicians and media are quick to tout that the "network/system" just demonstrated how well it is working, I suspect without some tipsters on
44 shamrock604 : Then why, if it was considered necessary to Scramble flighters from Canada and the US, was the aircraft not diverted to the nearest suitable Canadian
45 Thorben : A very good question. Another very good question. You people are asking many good questions, maybe to many...... Haha, Witness and document? So it is
46 PanHAM : Totally unnecessary show off since all cargo carried on passenger aircraft to the USA has to be 100% screened. We can be absoluetely certain that all
47 FiestaFlight : Although probably unrelated to all this (20 hours later), two F-15's just blasted westbound over Boston (BOS departure route) ...Saturday morning- ver
48 Post contains links UA772IAD : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11657486 It appears not to be the case, at least on board the UPS flight. Also, I'm curious... what does the
49 shamrock604 : These notes were issued yesterday, when small details of this were only emerging in the news. Also, the above does not constitute enough proof to sta
50 catiii : I thought it was pretty clear who the suspects were when the President's Homeland Security Adsvisor, John Brennan, said: "Anybody who’s associated
51 shamrock604 : I'm sorry, maybe I am not making mysefl heard here. The UK Department for Transport issued this document at a very early stage yesterday before much
52 catiii : Just because it wasn't public knowledge, doesn't mean that it wasn't known by the government.
53 kevin : If u have to ask me I'd say this whole recent reports of would-be terrorists using Emirates is a real bad publicity for the airline.
54 STT757 : Air National Guard out out Barnes Massachusetts, they operate F-15s. They used to be out of Otis on Cape Cod but moved to Barnes due to BRAC realignm
55 B595 : All right, thanks. At least the early news reports got the F-15 part right.
56 Post contains images FlyingSottsman : Yeah I was woundering the same thing Shrek, unless they know something about vegimite that we dont know about.
57 EDICHC : There is a huge amount of intelligence data held by anti-terrorist services in the UK that never becomes public knowledge. You can be rest assured th
58 DocLightning : OK, maybe I missed this, but I'm a bit confused. How was it that the package was only discovered AFTER THE AIRCRAFT WAS IN FLIGHT, and not only in fli
59 PanHAM : There was no explosive package on board of the EK flight, the escort was just as a pre-caution since they had freight on board of that flight which or
60 Mudboy : Gee, packages originating in Yemen with bombs and suspicion of a threat on an Emirates flight, to not think that Islamic Terrorists would be the top
61 shamrock604 : No, but try playing to your own countries's values of due process, proper investigation and so on. Using blanket terms like "Islamist Terrorists" doe
62 EDICHC : Considering the UAE is one of the more liberal middle eastern states, it shouldn't be that surprising. You just need to look at the atrocities still
63 shamrock604 : But that high profile a target? When you have a choice of UA, DL or any of the other western airlines who DXB? I accept your point re Iraq, but you d
64 Post contains images Quokka : Perhaps, perhaps EK was refused permission to land as a tit-for-tat after the UAE refusal to allow Canadian Ministers to land and this flight would ha
65 DocLightning : So, if I understand, when they found the suspicious packages that were to be loaded onto the UPS flight, they then found that other packages had orig
66 PanHAM : No, there was no "suspicious package" on board of that EK flight. When the Saudi services got the tracking numbers they relayed the tracking numbers
67 deltal1011man : Depends on the point you want made and who your making that point to. If they are pissed at the UAE then I can see them being after EK. (and in this
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