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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19581 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9578 times:

So I've always thought it was silly to instruct passengers on how to use a seatbelt on the inflight video. Frankly, if you're so stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself, you probably can't understand the video, either. And you probably shouldn't be in public without a responsible adult.

But leaving that aside, has anyone noticed how you aren't allowed to push from the gate until everyone is seated with seatbelts fastened...BUT it's not until after pushback that they show you the video about how to use your seatbelt?

Why is this?

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User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9537 times:

Its an FAA regulation, all carriers must give the same information in the preflight briefing. Yes, it is a bit silly, but it still must be done (along with other required instructions re: smoke detectors and smoking and emergency exits)

Quote:
FAR part 121 Sec. 121.571

Briefing passengers before takeoff.

(a) Each certificate holder operating a passenger-carrying airplane shall insure that all passengers are orally briefed by the appropriate crewmember as follows:
(1) Before each takeoff, on each of the following:
(i) Smoking. Each passenger shall be briefed on when, where, and under what conditions smoking is prohibited (including, but not limited to, any applicable requirements of part 252 of this title). This briefing shall include a statement that the Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with the lighted passenger information signs, posted placards, areas designated for safety purposes as no smoking areas, and crewmember instructions with regard to these items. The briefing shall also include a statement that Federal law prohibits tampering with, disabling, or destroying any smoke detector in an airplane lavatory; smoking in lavatories; and, when applicable, smoking in passenger compartments.
(ii) The location of emergency exits.
(iii) The use of safety belts, including instructions on how to fasten and unfasten the safety belts. Each passenger shall be briefed on when, where, and under what conditions the safety belt must be fastened about that passenger. This briefing shall include a statement that the Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with lighted passenger information signs and crewmember instructions concerning the use of safety belts.


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1806 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

So I've always thought it was silly to instruct passengers on how to use a seatbelt on the inflight video. Frankly, if you're so stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself, you probably can't understand the video, either. And you probably shouldn't be in public without a responsible adult.

In an emergency situation, people panic and may go to their lower right to undo their seatbelt, as if they're in a car. If they're shown how to use the seat belts prior to departure then they're more likely, I believe, to go straight for their centre and unfasten their seatbelt quicker in the panic.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
But leaving that aside, has anyone noticed how you aren't allowed to push from the gate until everyone is seated with seatbelts fastened...BUT it's not until after pushback that they show you the video about how to use your seatbelt?


Airlines in the UK tend to show the demonstration once the doors have been closed.


User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Frankly, if you're so stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself, you probably can't understand the video, either.

Anecdotally, it is reported that in duress situations (i.e. during an evacuation) people will attempt to release the seat belt by pushing the buckle as if it was a conventional car seat belt. Whether or not this is still true in this day and age of frequent fliers is up for debate as there haven't been any recent studies on this.

Also, keep in mind with the newer configurations of aircraft with airbag seat belts, there are now aircraft with both catch-type releases and button-push releases. (Example, the new DL and AC business class herringbone seats use button-push release airbag seat belts.) It is reasonable in this situations to highlight the differences to all passengers in the briefing.



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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

Maybe one flight a month I run into a person that does not know how to work their seat belt.

Airplane seat belts, most of them, are not like car seat belts. As others have stated in evacuations peoples thumbs have been broken trying to release their seat belts like they would in a normal car by pushing a button instead of lifting up on the flat metal buckle.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
I've always thought it was silly to instruct passengers on how to use a seatbelt on the inflight video. Frankly, if you're so stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself, you probably can't understand the video, either. And you probably shouldn't be in public without a responsible adult.

Many flights have at least a few passengers who have never flown before, and they're sometimes from parts of the world where they may never have even been in a car, never mind an aircraft. If it bothers you, just ignore it like most passengers.


User currently offlinebluewhale18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 8955 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
But leaving that aside, has anyone noticed how you aren't allowed to push from the gate until everyone is seated with seatbelts fastened...BUT it's not until after pushback that they show you the video about how to use your seatbelt?

Why is this?

FAR requires the briefing to be given before each TAKEOFF. For most airports it's 15-20 minutes after pushback. Showing the demo at the gate just wastes valuable taxi time. However if there is a delay at the gate they sometimes will show it at the gate too. Also, people stand up and get around, use the lav, move their carry-ons while parked at the gate. They are all seated during taxi and that's when the aisle is clear and the flight attendants get clear view from everyone onboard.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1649 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8786 times:

I have seen people who tie the seatbelt like it was the cloth belt of a bathrobe.

User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1022 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 4):
Airplane seat belts, most of them, are not like car seat belts.

And this leads to the question... why are airplane seatbelts different from car seatbelts?


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
has anyone noticed how you aren't allowed to push from the gate until everyone is seated with seatbelts fastened...BUT it's not until after pushback that they show you the video about how to use your seatbelt?

One of the reasons they wait until the pushback begins to show the video is so there is no power interruption during the video. Just before pushback in many cases, the pilots switch power source from ground power to aircraft power. sometimes this causes a temporary blackout on board the plane. If the video is running at that time, the video will be interrupted. Depending on the type of video system being used, it could be back to square one and the video has to be replayed from the beginning.


User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
So I've always thought it was silly to instruct passengers on how to use a seatbelt on the inflight video. Frankly, if you're so stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself, you probably can't understand the video, either.

I like how VX addresses this... "for the .0001 percent of you who have never operated a seat belt before..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyygn8HFTCo


User currently offlineTriebwerk From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 8):

That's a good question. I'm no seatbelt design expert, but perhaps this design form is stronger than just a button-press system, or less likely to deform in a crash.

Or, like the QWERTY keyboard, maybe people have just stuck with the original design.


User currently offlinesimpilot459 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8224 times:

Not sure how many (if any) part 121 flights operate with military style seat-belts with the hook, but they are not as intuitive if you haven't used on before. Part 91 also requires pilots to ensure passengers know how to operate seat belts and other basic safety information similar to airlines. GA planes have a wide variety of seat belts that sometimes do need explaining to passengers. Attaching the shoulder harness come to mind.

I think it's just that in aviation as a whole, it is required to make sure passengers know how to operate the seat belt. After all, it IS one of the most important safety devices for them.



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User currently offlinerevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8224 times:

Also (in the USA) if they didn't play the video, something would happen and some waste of space would file a lawsuit claiming they were not informed how to use the seatbelt if the demo was not done.

User currently offline580fa From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

In my life as a flight attendant, there have been a number of times where I had "leftover" passengers when all the rest had deplaned. When I (or my crewmates) went to the passenger's seat to see what was up, it turned out they were stuck in the seatbelt.

First timers/infrequent fliers, older passengers, and "less sophisticated" folks can easily run into trouble.

ETA: These situations happen DESPITE the instructions/demonstration being given (obviously). Imagine if they weren't.

[Edited 2010-10-30 19:40:19]

User currently offlinesmokinL1011 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 8):
And this leads to the question... why are airplane seatbelts different from car seatbelts?


I remember a flight as a small child in the early 1970s in which a plane had seatbelts the same as a car (push-button). I was flying with my mother DTW-ATL-CHA on DL. I don't remember what segment it was but I do distinctly recall making a big deal why "this plane has seatbelts like our car but the last one didn't.", which probably means it was the ATL-CHA segment. Early '70s, 1972 to be exact, means it was a DC-9? Does anyone know if McDonnell Douglas had push-button seatbelts in their early jet aircraft? That would explain even more why the detailed demonstration if there was a change-over to standard "lift the buckle to release" belts at some point.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
you aren't allowed to push from the gate until everyone is seated with seatbelts fastened

Just two days ago I was on SQ851 from CAN to SIN, and they pushed back with passengers still walking around, stowing carry-on, luggage and finding their seats. It surprised me that an airline like SQ was doing that. The flight was packed to the last seat (at least in Y), and people did what they wanted. After a late landing in Changi due to heavy traffic, we had a very long taxi, and people got up and got their carry-ons out of the overhead bins during taxi as well. This time, however the crew made a few announcements, and when people still got up, the FAs got up and forced them to take their seats again...

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19581 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 1):
Its an FAA regulation, all carriers must give the same information in the preflight briefing. Y

Yes, but shouldn't it be done BEFORE seatbelts have to be fastened?


User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
Yes, but shouldn't it be done BEFORE seatbelts have to be fastened?

That's why we have safety briefing cards...you know, the thing that most people think are either bookmarks or paper fans  



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6616 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

The seatbelts are really there for when the plane is flying (including take-off and landing of course) so it's not a big problem me thinks.


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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

QF does show "fastern your seat belt" in cartoon - and tells you about seat belt instructions on the screen when pax were boarding and looking for seats.


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User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 19):
The seatbelts are really there for when the plane is flying (including take-off and landing of course) so it's not a big problem me thinks.

I don't agree on this! Seatbelts are also useful on ground while airplane is taxiing. If for any reason, the pilot has to suddenly break, it can be very brutal.....
I'm a F/A and is always amazed how people will undo their seatbelt right after touchdown, as it was so bothering to have their seatbelt fastened. Will never ever understand this!!!! But on the other hand, there are so many thing that I gave up finding a reason on passengers behavior!!!


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2985 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 21):
the pilot has to suddenly break, it can be very brutal.....

Very brutal, depending on where the pilot gets broken.



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User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 22):
Quoting HBJZA (Reply 21):
the pilot has to suddenly break, it can be very brutal.....

Very brutal, depending on where the pilot gets broken.

Very sorry for my poor english ! Anyway I'm sure you've got the point.....
I'll try next time to be more precise with the wording I'm using


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 868 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6830 times:
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Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 6):
For most airports it's 15-20 minutes after pushback.
Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
BUT it's not until after pushback that they show you the video about how to use your seatbelt?

Our F/As (AS) start the safety demo at door closure.

Tomas



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25 474218 : The seat (lap) belts in my 1966 Dodge Coronet 500 and 1969 Plymouth Road Runner are exactly like airplane seat belts!
26 Post contains images Birdwatching : I have ALWAYS wondered the same thing about why the safety briefing starts about putting your heavy items under the seat and the lighter carry ons in
27 BlueJuice : One a recent flight I had to assist the older gentleman seated next to me. Not only did he not know how to use the seatbelt, he needed to be shown how
28 Post contains images BD338 : I suspect it is something to do with ease of being able to adopt the brace position with a lap-belt. A 3 point belt is better at holding a person in
29 Viscount724 : Yes, car seat belts, at least in North America, operated like current aircraft seat belts for many years after seat belts became common on cars. I st
30 danfearn77 : And thats why it is shown. More so to cover their own back rather than instruct passengers. Its only like when i started my new job last year i was p
31 Post contains images MarkHKG : When aircraft are equipped with 3 point seat belts (such as on Biz jets, some the unusual business class seating designs, some bulkhead rows on small
32 DocLightning : Very good point. Again, something that has always mystified me. Important information for first-time or infrequent flyers, but kinda mis-timed, no?
33 Viscount724 : On the airlines I fly most often they also normally make one or more announcements during boarding advising passengers where to put carry-on items. I
34 Aesma : Sure they're useful but not life-saving. So if a few passengers aren't belted because they don't know how before the briefing (and weren't helped), I
35 Post contains images LoveTheSkies : If I remember correctly, back when I was in training (it's been a while ) they also mentioned something about keeping the buckles clean/operating well
36 Kempa : The aircraft-style seat belts are made to buckle in front because you don't want a stranger touching you while he/she is trying to unbuckle his/her se
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