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Airbus Set To Receive 100 Orders From China  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13776 times:
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As the title notes, Airbus are reported to be close to receiving an order from China for 100 aircraft consisting of A320s and A330s. No breakdown on exact numbers yet.

An announcement is expected to coincide with a visit to France by Chinese President Hu Jintao and could be announced as soon as tomorrow.

The company may secure a contract from China for at least 100 aircraft as early as tomorrow, when Chinese President Hu Jintao visits France.

Source - Bloomberg

Airbus declined comment on the report but the A320s should be good for the production rate at the Tianjin assembly line which has delivered a total of 32 A319/A320 since delivering the first frame in June of last year.


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13425 times:

Only 100? I hope it is more 330's, the air traffic delays are becoming a real pain!!

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13389 times:

More A330s is interesting (fascinating). But what happened to the A350s and A380s rumoured a few weeks ago?

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13261 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 2):

Well, the article does say "at least 100", so we may yet see the sorts of numbers that were being talked about recently. We shouldn't have to wait too long to find out...



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13210 times:
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Interestingly Bank of China's BOC Aviation unit just announced an order for 30 x A320 series for delivery from 2012 through 2014. Their second order in two days after the 8 x 77Ws for lease to TG.

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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12546 times:
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Update - looks like the deal, if it's done, will be announced on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6A110420101102

Quote:
One source said the number of planes to be pencilled into a final batch of economic agreements set to be announced on Thursday ranged anywhere from zero to the "usual range."

That phrase is a reference to deals involving about 150 aircraft each struck at two previous state visits to China by President Nicolas Sarkozy and his predecessor Jacques Chirac.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12269 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
One source said the number of planes to be pencilled into a final batch of economic agreements set to be announced on Thursday ranged anywhere from zero to the "usual range."

Are such orders placed on the basis of what airlines need or in terms of how much goodwill the Chinese want to buy?

It's hard not to be cynical about all this. We all know that "China" will buy scores of A350s at some point. But the order will say little about the merit of the airframe, far less the skill of the Airbus sales team. (Ditto the 787 and Boeing.) We can't expect either Toulouse or Seattle (Chicago?) to object when they are selling squillions of $$$ of airliners but what (if anything) should we read into such orders? Not much, I suggest.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12013 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
Update - looks like the deal, if it's done, will be announced on Thursday.


That would finally end all the speculation which has been going on over this order. I keep my fingers crossed.  .

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
It's hard not to be cynical about all this. We all know that "China" will buy scores of A350s at some point. But the order will say little about the merit of the airframe, far less the skill of the Airbus sales team. (Ditto the 787 and Boeing.)


Well, the Chinese are by far not the only ones where one can ask himself such questions. A lot of airliner sales is still politically driven one way or the other.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11984 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
More A330s is interesting (fascinating). But what happened to the A350s and A380s rumoured a few weeks ago?

I thought Sarko negotiated 60 A330s the last time around? Were they ever firmed?



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11766 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Are such orders placed on the basis of what airlines need or in terms of how much goodwill the Chinese want to buy?

The Chinese airlines require aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing. They seem to still order a lot of units centrally, but if the aircraft was not performing the Government would not be ordering them. You can also look at their recent orders to see that the airlines must have a say in units. The 321 is becoming huge in China, whereas the 739 is less so. Mainly because the carriers prefer the 321. 330's are also strong, a lot may be because of the 787 fiasco, but they went for the better framed 330 rather than more old generation 767's. It is made to look as goodwill, but I believe there is a lot more into this than we know.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8608 times:
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Latest rumour is 10 x A350, 20 x A330 and a "large number" of A320s.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6A22KW20101103



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User currently offlinefarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

China Daily yesterday stated the the number of aircraft involved would be between zero and 150. Playing the guessing game safe. We might get the answer later today

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6336 times:
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Update:

It seems Hu doesn't arrive in Paris until late today. Bi-lateral deals and contracts are scheduled to be signed on Friday. It seems the lastest 'news' on the order is 120 x A320, 20 x A330 and 10 x A350. Certainly not to be sniffed at!

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...expected-to-yield-huge-Airbus-deal

China Southern also announced an order for 36 Airbus today - 30 x A320 and 6 x A330. Far from clear if this is a separate order or is part of the 'Big China Deal'. If it's not part of the bigger deal, the Airbus will have had an amazing week - 180 x A320, 26 x A330 and 10 x A350.  Wow!http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...-econonic-growth-spurs-demand.html

China Southern Buys 36 Airbus (by FCKC Nov 4 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineivo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

It's official:


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ina-signs-for-102-airbus-aircraft/

Ivo


User currently offlinen1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 12):
China Southern also announced an order for 36 Airbus today - 30 x A320 and 6 x A330. Far from clear if this is a separate order or is part of the 'Big China Deal'. If it's not part of the bigger deal, the Airbus will have had an amazing week - 180 x A320, 26 x A330 and 10 x A350.

Well, from the press release, it is *only* 66 new orders.... And I quote:

"China Aviation Supplies Holding Company (CAS) has signed with Airbus for a total of 102 aircraft of which 66 are new orders. The new orders comprise 50 A320 Family aircraft, six A330s and ten A350 XWBs."


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5552 times:
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Quoting n1786b (Reply 14):
Well, from the press release, it is *only* 66 new orders.... And I quote:

"China Aviation Supplies Holding Company (CAS) has signed with Airbus for a total of 102 aircraft of which 66 are new orders. The new orders comprise 50 A320 Family aircraft, six A330s and ten A350 XWBs."


I guess if you count the 36 orders earlier announced yesterday you do reach 102. So the announcement has been made over two days time. The score still is 102.  .


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

What does China want from France and/or the EU?

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Are such orders placed on the basis of what airlines need or in terms of how much goodwill the Chinese want to buy?

It seems the latter, as there is zero fleet planning methodology to any of the major Chinese carriers.



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
It seems the latter, as there is zero fleet planning methodology to any of the major Chinese carriers.

And you base that on what? CZ has a very good fleet and route stategy, as has China Eastern.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 17):
And you base that on what? CZ has a very good fleet and route stategy, as has China Eastern.

In all fairness, I don't think you can consider an airline that has most variants of the A320 and 737NG to have a good fleet strategy!

Still, this is a good month for the A320 - 30 from BOC last week and now, these 50 from China; not bad going at all!

I am just wondering who will take the A350s. I'm think CZ, as they will need a replacement for their 772s - and MU will probably want to dump their A343s at some stage; no doubt, of course, there'll be more A350 orders coming.

Between them - and excluding today's order, the three major Chinese carriers have ordered 116 A330s:
Air China has 30 A332s and 3 A333s (with 17 A333s on order)
China Southern has nine A332s and eight A333s (with 16 A332s and eight A333s on order)*
China Eastern has 5 332s and 15 A333s (with 15 A333s) on order.

(*This excludes the recently announced order for six).


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 17):
CZ has a very good fleet and route stategy, as has China Eastern.

What, buy some of everything?



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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
Quoting kl911 (Reply 17):
CZ has a very good fleet and route stategy, as has China Eastern.

What, buy some of everything?

CZ grew to the biggest asian airline, so i would guess they have a good strategy...  


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting 328JET (Reply 20):
CZ grew to the biggest asian airline, so i would guess they have a good strategy...

Like Aeroflot during the Soviet days?  



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 18):
Between them - and excluding today's order, the three major Chinese carriers have ordered 116 A330s:
Air China has 30 A332s and 3 A333s (with 17 A333s on order)
China Southern has nine A332s and eight A333s (with 16 A332s and eight A333s on order)*
China Eastern has 5 332s and 15 A333s (with 15 A333s) on order.

With respect, I think your numbers are a little high.

Air China have ordered 30 x A332 and 10 x A333 = 40
China Eastern have ordered 21 x A332 and 15 x A333 = 36
China Southern have ordered 16 x A332 and 8 A333 = 24

That makes exactly 100.

In addition, Air China have leased 3 x A333 from AerCap and China Southern seem to be getting six more.

Still pretty impressive!


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10185 posts, RR: 97
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4788 times:
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Quoting n1786b (Reply 14):
Well, from the press release, it is *only* 66 new orders.... And I quote:

"China Aviation Supplies Holding Company (CAS) has signed with Airbus for a total of 102 aircraft of which 66 are new orders. The new orders comprise 50 A320 Family aircraft, six A330s and ten A350 XWBs."

Presumably if you add it to the 36 orders published by China Airlines today, you get a total of 102 orders...

Which suggests an overall breakdown of 80 A32X, 12 A330's and 10 A350's

Feel free to correct, anyone.

Rgds


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 23):

China Southern, actually Astuteman. It makes sense because, unless I missed it, their order isn't yet firm. All the news articles I saw yesterday said "China Southern will buy...." So, IMHO, the 102 is made up of 66 firm from CASG and a commitment for 36 from China Southern. Hence the slightly odd wording in Airbus' press release about 66 of the 102 being 'new'.



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25 Post contains images astuteman : Isn't that what I typed? Ducking Fyslexia !!!!! Rgds
26 ivo : Status at oktober 23: in fleet / on order Cathay Pacific: 31 / 8 China Eastern: 19 / 16 China Southern: 17 / 7 Air China: 23 / 20 Dragonair/ 14 / 0 H
27 ncfc99 : In the past an order for airbus aircraft also used to be followed shortly after by an order for boeing. I seem to recall a few airbus orders lately wi
28 Post contains links ivo : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1290 Ivo
29 parapente : Those 330 orders just keep on coming.Must be about 1,200 aircraft by now.I wonder what the end total will be - with the "C" version just getting into
30 Post contains images CFBFrame : Might have something to do with the first 4 using Rolls engines? What I find to be interesting about the lack of performance data, is of the customer
31 ncfc99 : Thanks for that ivo. My memory recalls that the orders used to be of similar size, does anyone know if this trend changed over the last few years?
32 CFBFrame : Yeah, they used to be approximately 150 narrow bodies per year. I'm not sure it has changed, but there may have been political issues on the US side
33 cerecl : If China decides whether to buy from A or B based on political considerations as you clearly insinuated, then this order would have went to B. France
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