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Delta Flight Attendant AFA Elections Results  
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17838 times:

The final elections are supposed to be announced at 14:00/Eastern today 03 November. This will be interesting as it is the first major group to return results from the combined DL/NW merger. I will post a link or someone may beat me to it when it is announced.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17831 times:

So... regardless of outcome, the PMDL and PMNW groups will integrate after this?? Or how is this all going to pan out once the result is announced??

User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17723 times:

From my understanding (and someone please correct me if I am wrong), it is either 100% non-union or 100% all union with the AFA. This will then allow crews to merge together so you could have cabin crew that will now be mixed. Again this is my understanding, so please correct me if I am incorrect. I do not know how long the integration will take place? Would it be with the next bid rotation?


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17720 times:

I wonder how much the outcome of this will have an affect on those that haven't voted yet, in other groups?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17610 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 1):
So... regardless of outcome, the PMDL and PMNW groups will integrate after this?? Or how is this all going to pan out once the result is announced??



In common sense terms known to me and you, yes. In reality, my guess is we will see one side contest the results. Also, let's not forget that collective bargaining can take years but hopefully there will be a quick and smooth transition like the pilots.

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
I wonder how much the outcome of this will have an affect on those that haven't voted yet, in other groups?



I think it will affect other groups. They may very well say, "the pilots and now F/As are under contract, I should too". Of course, it's a wash for those who have already casted their vote. If this was 2 weeks ago and if I was a betting man, I would take a guess on the outcome of things but with voting closing in less than an 1 and 1/2 i'll wait...waaaaaaay too much egg. From what they're saying, results will be looked at by a third party and immediately sent to the NMB and Delta and AFA will be notified simultaneously.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17572 times:

I remember that the Democrats in congress were trying to change the rules for unionzation requiring a simple majority, instead of counting employees who didn't vote as a "no" vote. Now that Republicans control the House, could this be Delta's dream come true?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17551 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I remember that the Democrats in congress were trying to change the rules for unionzation requiring a simple majority, instead of counting employees who didn't vote as a "no" vote. Now that Republicans control the House, could this be Delta's dream come true?

That battle is already being fought in court. Not sure how long it will take for an outcome.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17479 times:

Probably not much use to contest the rules, now. Delta has been pushing to let the employees know that they must vote, either yes or no, for their vote to be counted. I doubt if there's any employees out there that don't know about that, yet.


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User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17203 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
That battle is already being fought in court. Not sure how long it will take for an outcome.

The battle you speak of has already been fought in court by the IATA, which lost...they filed an appeal and lost that as well.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17180 times:

Results should be posted at 3pm

User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17123 times:

And mixed crews won't happen tomorrow regardless of the outcome. If AFA is voted in, there were still be PMDL and PMNW crews because PMNW will still work under our contract and PMDL will work under their work rules until a joint contract voted in.

if AFA is not voted in, it will take a couple of months to transition into one group under the same work rules.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17095 times:

It's over now... just have to wait and see now...

User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17024 times:

All the rumors at the G.O. were that inflight was leaning towards a no vote...the ramp was leaning heavily towards a yes vote....and upstairs is too close to call.

User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16844 times:

Its a NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO AFA!!!

User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16735 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 13):
Its a NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO AFA!!!

Just saw the message from Joanne. Congrats.

[Edited 2010-11-03 11:37:28]

User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16689 times:

On another thread...71% no?
Holy crap I thought this was going to be tight. That's a pretty definite result!


User currently offlineairborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16625 times:

I am looking for FACTS if this is a NO VOTE OR YES VOTE>.

Please prove the FACTS


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16625 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 15):
On another thread...71% no?
Holy crap I thought this was going to be tight. That's a pretty definite result!

9215 yes / 9544 no


User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16623 times:

Check nwaafa.org for your facts.

User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3931 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16576 times:

No... not a 71% margin. It was basically 50 yes and 50 no, pretty close and that itself sends a powerful message to the company. Shame on the people who couldn't be bothered to even vote. Now let's hope they just get on with running the airline and can put this drama behind them.

[Edited 2010-11-03 11:43:51]

User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16405 times:

Thanks for the correction, and yes, that sends a very different, but similarly strong message. It will be interesting to see what happens the next time the AFA tries to organize. DL management now has a whole lot of motivation to make unifying the FAs smooth as silk.

User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16379 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
9215 yes / 9544 no

Are you sure?

Quote:
According to the union, Delta flight attendants voted 9,544 against AFA representation, versus 8,778 in favor.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/del...nionizing-2010-11-03?siteid=yhoof2

Its not a huge difference, but given the change in rules, a pretty huge deal. I hope the PMNW FA's give Delta the chance to prove the right decision was made. The time for fear is over, the time for hope should begin.


User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16380 times:

Here is the report from Reuters...

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUKN0311091020101103?rpc=44

I have to say congratulations to DL!



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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16374 times:

8,776 FOR
9,544 AGAINST


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16197 times:

AFA is done as a union in my opinion. Once The folks at the new UA vote them out as well. They will go bankrupt and out of business. That's what happens when you don't listen to your membership!!

25 jetjack74 : 9,216 yay, 9,544 nay was the final result. A difference of 348 votes. I was at the Seattle AFA tally meeting when the call came in from Minneapolis.
26 azjubilee : They are also potentially losing the 600 or so Mesaba flight attendants. It will be interesting to see how their representation issues pan out as Pinn
27 DALALWAYS : AFA filed on 10/26/10 the interference claim with the NMB, so now we have to wait to see what the NMB does with that. As for now though, we remain uni
28 rwy04lga : That's 47.9% for the AFA and 52.1% against the AFA. I was hoping the margin would've been wider, but a win is a win!
29 dlflynhayn : Just heard the good news from some Flt attendant friends just minutes ago! hopefully more good news to come from the ramp and passenger svc..
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : NO WAY AFA! Well, this is what the AFA asked for and they got it. Now, 15 days till we know the fate of fleet services.
31 MSPNWA : Close vote. The ultimate edge was that the current non-union side was close to double in size. Obviously though quite a few of them were ready to join
32 airborne1 : I'm so happy they turn it down! Now TWU in a few years come drive us for a union. AFA is the worst They don't listen to the members!
33 LAXtoATL : FYI... According to AJC, the AFA is appealing the result and wants a re-vote. Not sure on what grounds they are appealing, but I would have to assume
34 jetlanta : They say that EVERY time, and lose every time. Read their website, that is not the tone of a union that thinks this isn't done.[Edited 2010-11-03 12:
35 fltpafa : Yes AFA is in serious trouble, losing NWA, and possibly United and then airtran ,they are losing a big chunk of it's membership. USair is going to be
36 FlyASAGuy2005 : Oh come on. Both sides have been through enough. They need to just let these people be. This is EXACTLY what they wanted! Majority rule, right? Well,
37 azjubilee : AFA is citing "interference." I suspect the AFA is not happy with how the company rightfully stated their case as to why an FA should vote no.
38 USXGuy : and most of the USAirways flight attendants aren't happy with AFA either... especially at the local level. Its a solid BH vs RSV fight going on.
39 cokepopper : count-down to when the "new" United will give the AFA the boot as well....
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : My best guess is the AFA's days are numbered. Folks around the system will see this and run with it.
41 MNMncrcnwjr : Anyone with the accurate number of PMNW FAs and PMDL FAs? THANKS! Most of the chatter I overheard inflight from the galleys was in support .. on DL a
42 Delimit : I thought crews were already crossfleeted. You could have PMNW FAs on PMDL metal already. The two groups just couldn't mix.
43 binmonster : More telling is that the votes for AFA were less than their current membership for PMNW FA. Quite a FEW PMNW AFA FA voted no..........far more than P
44 LAXtoATL : I am pretty sure this is accurate. I remember reading AFA tried to fight it, but once the PMNW pilots agreed to one seniority list, there technically
45 MSPNWA : I'm reading an article now that says it had to do something with the way they voted online in relation to the secret ballot. They lost about 7,000 FA
46 Post contains links jetjack74 : http://www.nmb.gov/electionresults/election-results_r-7254.pdf Check again. Let's keep things accurate. It was a lot closer than what Deltanet and Joa
47 cokepopper : Those numbers are accurate. AFA only received 8776 votes. Actual NO votes were 9544
48 MNMncrcnwjr : THANKS! Puts the vote in a bit of perspective .....
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : 8778 was for the AFA, the remaining were write-ins. 9544, no all together. Close or not close, the majority voted no. Now, hopfully they can just mov
50 rduddji : Congrats to DL F/A's! We Pax are happy for you!
51 LAXtoATL : It appears that the actual yes votes to represented by AFA was 8778. Your number was close enough for our discussion purposes. She was pretty accurat
52 cokepopper : Line 18 under the NMB website is interesting. Votes cast for write in: Valid vote for representation (Silence) 189. If there is a pause in the responc
53 nwaesc : Exactly! It couldn't have been made any easier. Really?! I actually prefer the online method as opposed to the filling out of a paper ballot.
54 tugger : What the heck does that mean? It sounds like it is for a "call in" vote but it says "write in"? Tugg
55 cokepopper : A flaw in the telephone voting method. If it times out, then the vote gets cast as write in, which is a yes vote. in this election 189 votes were cast
56 Post contains links MSPNWA : Both sides aren't giving out the truest story. The vote in favor of AFA representation was 8,778, but the votes in favor of a union were 9,216. So it
57 thegreatRDU : wow...I thought fur sure they were a solid lock especially with the new rules......so that's it? Or can another union attempt or can the AFA try again
58 LAXtoATL : I think you are misinterpreting what that means. Given my understanding of the voting rules, the only votes that really matter are line 3 and line 19
59 cokepopper : What is in dispute is how those in line 18 were recorded. If the telephone recognizes a pause in voting (silence) they get counted NOT as a NO, but as
60 LAXtoATL : You are giving to much weight it being counted as a 'yes' vote. In reality it is basically a 'other' vote. Unless the 'yes' vote is expressly for AFA
61 TVNWZ : As yesterday's general election showed us, things can change dramatically quickly. If anyone thinks the AFA will just pack up and quit--think again. T
62 usa330300 : Congrats to DAL and it's employees! You will be a stronger airline without the AFA, or any FA union for that matter.
63 dldtw1962 : Thank you. I'm glad that DL F/A's will stay non-union. And DL better make sure they don't screw them from this point on. This is a huge opportunity fo
64 Post contains images airtechy : I think you meant "without a union" and if so, I agree completely. I also believe that based on past history they will.......treat them well. Jim
65 cokepopper : Assuming IF the AFA is still around. Today Delta, tomorrow United....Doesn't look good for AFA"s future.
66 Post contains images mayor : I suppose since they failed miserably, twice before, they think the NMB is thinking third time's a charm, so would let them appeal
67 474218 : I can't wait til next year if and when the AFA of another union tries again. The ex-NW FA's will then have a year without union "protection" and "dues
68 FlyASAGuy2005 : Like I said before, they should just let them be. The masses voted; 94% in total which is actually pretty good compared to the average for past voting
69 catiii : Seems to me that this is the biggest message of this election. If you think about it, if 200+ people or so vote the other way, they have a union. Tha
70 jetjack74 : Yes. This was a representational, not an AFA-only election. AFA could've won by default with the "Yes" for a write-in nomination. I think you are rig
71 nwa757boy : What he said. haha No I agree 100%. If AFA drags this out anymore, they are just burying their grave deeper. I'm ready to move on as well. I'm glad i
72 jetjack74 : Eventually, life has to go on.
73 Post contains images nycbjr : I'm going to jump in with a rare ( and not entirely sober political opinion)... Unions were 100% necessary during the dark days of "The Jungle", and a
74 mayor : I'm not talking about this particular election.......I'm talking about the two previous attempts by the AFA.
75 lucky777 : It certainly hasn't seemed to have hurt the DAL pilots cause...with the exception of the 737 (Southwest being no. 1, DAL no. 2) Delta pilots are the
76 alitalia744 : The decision today continues to demonstrate the strength of Delta's unique culture and the continued decline of the effectiveness of AFA. Congrats to
77 mayor : Basically, because the pilots have the airline over a barrel, is why. It's much more difficult to replace the pilots than it would be to replace many
78 msp747 : Will PMNW flight attendants get a raise out of this deal? Or were they making about the same as PMDL flight crews? Also, as a person that has never be
79 LAXtoATL : Are you sure about this? I find that extremely hard to believe because a) DL has one of the lowest cost structures in the industry (pilots make up a
80 jetjack74 : Because the Delta pilots are basically mgmt. Delta built a unique detente relationship with it's pilots union to basically pander to whatever they sa
81 mayor : Maybe you should ask some of those RD pilots how well they were "pandered" to during the bankruptcy. I think you'll hear something very different tha
82 LAXtoATL : Just curious, can you explain what you mean by different?
83 jetjack74 : Yes, we will be brought to DL FA payscale. We will now top out at 12 years instead of 15, where we topped out at NW. Our union dues is/were $48 a mon
84 Post contains links FlyASAGuy2005 : http://www.afanet.org/ I find this statement on the home page a bit funny. So, they are basically saying their ''brothers and sisters'' couldn't think
85 mayor : They should have postponed the election until the NMB ruled on the charges. Otherwise, I don't think they've got a leg to stand on.
86 lucky777 : Positive. Just go to airlinepilotcentral.com and you can pull up all of the U.S carriers (or International carriers for that matter) individually and
87 GenYBusTrvlr : Go Delta FAs! I hope Delta management treats you well as an example for other labor groups. Unions have destroyed so many great companies in America a
88 MSPNWA : Is that any different the endless reaches Delta took to make the AFA sound like a monster that's preying on them? We could pull up any random Delta s
89 jetjack74 : You know what? I've heard 16 years-worth of pilot complaints, and they ALL sound the same. When I hear what they have to whine about, I roll my eyes.
90 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Of course both sides did their dirty during the voting. I'm talking about now. Delta went on record saying they would accept whatever the outcome was
91 MSPNWA : Could the word "pride" sum it up? And I don't mean the good kind. I'm just curious since what you describe is personally what I've felt since the day
92 catiii : Different good, or different bad? As a passenger I have noticed definite differences since the merger. It's a "vibe" I can't describe.
93 MSPNWA : The latter, as it doesn't make me feel good as a passenger. I guess you could say it's not my type of "culture".
94 Post contains images PGNCS : Really? The same Delta pilots who lost more than any other employee group in the Chapter 11 proceedings? The former NW pilots I know have been genera
95 b707forever : My hunch is AFA will lose their 'unfair' re-bid request and go away. My hunch is also that very shortly after Delta management puts in places the fina
96 rwy04lga : Will the F/As still pay dues during the appeals process? If the AFA loses the appeal, will they refund the dues? Looks like they're trying to squeeze
97 FlyASAGuy2005 : Saw on local news this evening that a congressman (don't recall the name) will push to have the vote voided and a revote called; siding with the AFA o
98 LAXtoATL : Congress really doesn't have a say in it. The NMB will make the call. Given the lopsided rule change earlier this year, barring egregious misconduct
99 Post contains images mayor : Exactly........do they actually think a re-vote at this point would change anything? People have made their decisions and aren't likely to change the
100 crj200faguy : I know exactly what you mean. There is an attitude there. The pilots haven't been a problem but the FAs are really rude and condescending when they i
101 mayor : I actually know what you mean and I agree with you. My daughter (who is a F/A for Skywest) has related this to me, many times. When her husband was f
102 Crosscheck007 : I have seen the same/similar stuff from PMNW f/as. I am going to preface this by saying there ARE NO LONGER "sides" and never should have been "sides
103 LAXtoATL : Well said, I couldn't agree more.
104 binmonster : To me it's clear that the AFA had their best chance this go around........ They put off the vote as long as they could, until the pay off from the De
105 Post contains images rwy04lga : They already WERE or was it not obvious?
106 Surprise : What was it, 500 million that the unions contributed to the democrats in this election? Well that's what it buys you. This congressman aside, I think
107 mayor : Which "congressman" was it? I know it wasn't Sen. Isaakson as he is a firm supporter of DL. He did mention, however, that the AFA would probably conte
108 FlyASAGuy2005 : So what if it was close? The majority said they did not want the union in. According to the new rules, which is what they asked for those that voted
109 cokepopper : This clearly shows that the AFA doesn't have Delta flight attendants best interest in mind. Only self preservation.
110 nwaesc : I'd like to know where they were as well. My first guess would be "in a coma," but at over 1,000 people, that won't cut it. Maybe people on long term
111 jetjack74 : All and all, I haven't witnessed any snobbish, nasty, condescending crews from the PMDL side, pilots or flight attendants, they've all been very nice
112 lucky777 : Considering a report just came out showing that special interests donated to the Republican side on a 5-to-1 basis over the Democratic special intere
113 bobnwa : Yes, but even you will have to admit that AFA does not have the interest of more than 50% of those that voted in mind do they? Were you not the one s
114 Surprise : I could be wrong, that number just kind of stuck out in my mind. I'm not really knocking the unions for doing it, I'd do it too. That's just the way
115 rwy04lga : But not the more than 50% who voted against them. Should they not be viewed equally? And with 44% of those eligible voting yes and 53% voting NO, it'
116 binmonster : The vote was pretty straight forward. Vote by computer or phone.....not sure how they come up with some hanging chads? AFA will hang their hopes and
117 nwaesc : HA! No thanks; I find politicking to be rather off putting... I agree. Seemed simple enough to me (still wondering wtf happened to the 6%, but...). A
118 jetjack74 : Well, I voted yes before, but in the interest moving this merger along, I might vote no if there is another vote. I was for it before, but now Im look
119 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Doubt it. They said publicly over and over that they will respect whatever the outcome was for the sake of integration. Sure, they don't want the uni
120 nwaesc : I know. 'Course, they also said they wouldn't fight the NMB rule change, either... I suspect had this vote gone the other way, they'd be turning over
121 LAXtoATL : No, of course not. But they were a large part. When you include the likely losses of AirTran FAs and United FAs, you are talking a very significant p
122 MSPNWA : You can bet on it. DL wants to retain control over their flight attendants just like the AFA is trying to retain their members. Sadly in a fight like
123 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : You're right Maybe with this the top rank and file will have to take a pay cut like their members have...funny how this whole thing works.
124 lucky777 : It stands to reason that you're not the only who feels this way. The AFA put their best foot forward as did Delta and in the end Delta was the party
125 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's fair enough. I've been monitoring the NMB's website but nothing new. Anyone have any idea how long it may take for a decision?
126 EA CO AS : Unions suffer from the delusion that the only way they can lose representation elections is if something underhanded took place.
127 FlyASAGuy2005 : My brother's wife, who is a PMDL F/A said DL is already halting dues witholdings as of 5 November 2010 for PMNW F/As.
128 LAXtoATL : That would be a smart move on their part. Once the PMNW F/As get use to not paying dues they are less likely to vote for the union if a re-vote is gr
129 skyguyB727 : One could easily substitute "Upper management" for "Unions". Look at Enron. Look at how Frank Lorenzo nearly destroyed Continental. People remember t
130 FlyASAGuy2005 : Despite all of that, less than half of the rank and file voted to keep the AFA in. What did or didn't happen doesn't really bear much on what went dow
131 bobnwa : I think most NW employees at the time remember that the majority of them took common stock instead of preferred stock and were able to sell it for a
132 delta2ual : I agree 100%. When I flew for DL, I busted my butt trying to make non-revs from all airlines comfortable. I can't tell you how many times I would mov
133 FlyASAGuy2005 : For those still following this, the NMB has granted AFA an extension to file their interference claim. Seems they are on an "information" and "fact-fi
134 Post contains images n7371f : Gee, I'm stunned
135 stratosphere : As I remember it we didn't have a choice our union (the IAM at the time) chose the preferred stock and ALPA chose common. From what I remember I pers
136 stratosphere : Do not know about that but I do know several buddies of mine their wives are F/A's and they told me that DL bombarded their houses with mail and anti
137 cokepopper : The AFA received what they were looking for, a rule change on how to vote from the NMB. After 70+ years voting changed. Delta sent out reminders on HO
138 bobnwa : I'll bet you cannot produce any of that literature that shows what you say above. I agree with cokepopper totally.
139 LAXtoATL : I don't know how common extensions are granted so I don't know how to view that, but the fact that the AFA needs an extension tells me they really do
140 goldenstate : DL is under no obligation whatsoever to remain neutral. The employer has the right to take a position and make its preference known. The unions want
141 nwa757300 : DL had every right to state their case. How many campaigns do you know where only one side is allowed to state their case. AFA has their agenda just
142 Surprise : This is not even remotely surprising. One of the 3 members of the NMB is the ex president of the AFA. By any rational thought one would think she wou
143 msp747 : Would this really help their case though? It seems like flight attendants are ready to move on. If, somehow, they won another vote, it seems a lot of
144 EA CO AS : And the union doesn't bombard the employees with pro-union propaganda and rhetoric? Spare me. DL management is perfectly able to state their case - t
145 FlyASAGuy2005 : They were out again today. I can't get through the airport without seeing IAM polo shorts walking around handing out fliers.
146 nwaesc : For me, it's been running about 1.5-1 in favor of DL mailers.
147 bobnwa : Do you feel that DL is using unfair or illegal tactics to influence your vote?
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