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Y+ Seating Coming To Delta? (Rumor)  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18359 times:

Hi all. No, I don't have an official written source but through conversation with a friend of mine this morning that works at Delta, he told me that a Y+ type section will be rolled out at Delta next year. I havn't heard a peep about this which suprised me. I figured it this was true I would have heard something by now on here. He also said it will be focused on 747s, T7s, 764s, A333/2s, 763ERs and international configured 757s.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18285 times:

It wouldn't really surprise me if this rumor is true because a) it allows them to compete with new UA in this regard and b) it brings them in line with AF/KL.


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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18235 times:

In my humble opinion, this is overdue. There's too much of a gap between coach and biz, especially with lie-flat in biz becoming the new standard. My hopes are that it is something a little more substantial than Y+ on UA, and that they offer free "upgrades" to it for elites on international flights.

User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18213 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
will be focused on 747s, T7s, 764s, A333/2s, 763ERs and international configured 757s.

This would follow the logic of reducing the number of FC/ J seats on the 747's that was already announced and adding a mid tier revenue enhancer. This product has been discussed in other threads as other carriers are facing a diminished clientele willing to pay for up front on International flights.

Also seeing this is coming before the interior mods are to begin on the WB's and after the domestic md88 and md9K mods have been rolled out .. would make this very plausible and good for the bottom line.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18211 times:

If this is the case, it more or less answers the question of whether the new UA will be keeping Y+.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18010 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
No, I don't have an official written source but through conversation with a friend of mine this morning that works at Delta, he told me that a Y+ type section will be rolled out at Delta next year.

What position does your friend have at Delta, that he would have access to this type info?


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18033 times:

This is official on DeltaNet, dated 01NOV.

International fleet types only: 75A/75E, 767, A330, 777, 747.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17999 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
What position does your friend have at Delta, that he would have access to this type info?

*sigh* Forever the irrational skeptic.

His position is this: being able to log into DeltaNet and read at a relatively elementary level  



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17989 times:

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 2):
In my humble opinion, this is overdue. There's too much of a gap between coach and biz, especially with lie-flat in biz becoming the new standard.

If true then DL could adopt the AF Y+ product which provides acceptable comfort. I totally agree about the comfort gap. It's especially noticeable when you walk through the plane's cabin.

I don't envy DL's airport staff if and when they have to tell a J class pax on an overnight transatlantic flight that he or she is being downgraded to Y class for whatever reason.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17985 times:

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 2):
In my humble opinion, this is overdue. There's too much of a gap between coach and biz, especially with lie-flat in biz becoming the new standard. My hopes are that it is something a little more substantial than Y+ on UA, and that they offer free "upgrades" to it for elites on international flights.

Exactly. Domestic airlines have made great strides recently upgrades their business class/first class products. It does appear that they have "neglected" coach. I think the Y+ is a great way for airlines to increase revenue by offering increased legroom and maybe (dare I say it) free snacks on longer domestic routes.

It seems to have worked well for UA on long trans-con flights. I would love to see DL add it. The question becomes how much more expensive would the seats be priced at to offset the loss of a couple of rows in coach to accomodate a bigger pitch in Y+, and would people be willing to pay this premium.

[Edited 2010-11-03 10:42:08]

User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17985 times:

I was going to say...yes this is true not a rumour. I do not have the access to DeltaNet but wonder if one of our friends there can give us more detail? Makes sense to compete against UA Y+ which makes me think that CO's fleet eventually would get this as well.


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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17964 times:

I wonder if we'll see a new version of MRTC from AA to compete (especially if this rumor is true).

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17866 times:

Quoting Seatback (Reply 11):
I wonder if we'll see a new version of MRTC from AA to compete (especially if this rumor is true).

I think they are content with LRTC at the moment.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
What position does your friend have at Delta, that he would have access to this type info?

*sigh* Forever the irrational skeptic.

I do not view him as a skeptic. I view him as our A.Net sanity check.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17796 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
The question becomes how much more expensive would the seats be priced at to offset the loss of a couple of rows in coach to accomodate a bigger pitch in Y+, and would people be willing to pay this premium.

It may appear only on int services where the comfort gap is more noticeable. A number of international carriers (VS, BA, AF, QF, NZ, JL, NH, AZ etc) seem to have, or be making a success, of Y+. Others will follow (CX is expected to announce a Y+ product in HKG in December) as it appears on longer routes (flights of 6 to 8 hours and more) travellers are prepared to pay more for comfort.


User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17805 times:

As my buddy Transpac stated yes it's in Deltanet.

The 75E is the first to get the mod done with more seat pitch and leg room.

From a in-flight service standpoint, no service changes have been finalized yet. Treat them as regular Y customers.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17795 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
This is official on DeltaNet, dated 01NOV.

International fleet types only: 75A/75E, 767, A330, 777, 747.

Nice. Any word on whether it will be UA style or whether it will be a different seat type a la AF, BA, VS?

Quoting Seatback (Reply 11):
I wonder if we'll see a new version of MRTC from AA to compete

With both DL and UA having some version of Y+, I definitely think we'll see some form of response from AA. Not necessarily MRTC, but I definitely think they will take a long hard look at a Y+ cabin.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17729 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 13):
Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
The question becomes how much more expensive would the seats be priced at to offset the loss of a couple of rows in coach to accomodate a bigger pitch in Y+, and would people be willing to pay this premium.

It may appear only on int services where the comfort gap is more noticeable. A number of international carriers (VS, BA, AF, QF, NZ, JL, NH, AZ etc) seem to have, or be making a success, of Y+. Others will follow (CX is expected to announce a Y+ product in HKG in December) as it appears on longer routes (flights of 6 to 8 hours and more) travellers are prepared to pay more for comfort.

I agree it will be largely limited to international services, however, DL uses the 767s on some domestic routes to increase aircraft utilization (ie. Atlanta - West Coast). Therefore, I would asssume they would sell the Y+ domestically on these type of flights.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17699 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
I agree it will be largely limited to international services, however, DL uses the 767s on some domestic routes to increase aircraft utilization (ie. Atlanta - West Coast). Therefore, I would asssume they would sell the Y+ domestically on these type of flights.

I would also assume that the JFK-LAX/SFO flights will be getting it since they use the 75E's.



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User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17673 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 14):
As my buddy Transpac stated yes it's in Deltanet.

Where at??? I see nothing stating such.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17645 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 18):
Where at??? I see nothing stating such.

Go to the IFS page. It's under IFS news.



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User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17627 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
Go to the IFS page. It's under IFS news.

Got it, thanks....kinda weird how they buried this rather important piece of news on the IFS page...though they did say nothing had been mentioned publicly. Wonder why they mentioned it at all then?


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17575 times:

I wonder if we'll be seeing it on the Biz E transcons. Or are those planes a dedicated fleet?

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17341 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 21):
I wonder if we'll be seeing it on the Biz E transcons. Or are those planes a dedicated fleet?

They are not. The 75E's do both TATL and transcons.



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User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17148 times:

It would be nice to see. They could just use the old business elite seats with less legroom I guess but that might be too nice of a premium economy class. It would be nice to see something like this domestically. Maybe just wider seats with a couple extra inches of legroom and a free meal

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16891 times:

IMO, this will be one of the best decisions Delta has made recently. It's long overdue, and I hope they add enough pitch to make a big difference. Too bad they didn't go fleet-wide though as the domestic sector is what I'm interested in. Guess UA will still have that advantage for me.

25 1337Delta764 : I wonder if these seats will simply be Y seats with more legroom, or will they be like domestic F seats? I think the latter would be the way to go.
26 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Ok, so he's not full of it We just had lunch btw. Were talking about the AFA outcome and such. He said he did in fact see it on DLNet as TransPac poin
27 cwalt : A Premium Economy cabin fits it quite nicely with the proposed alliance with Virgin Blue Group's V Australia airline, which offers a fabulous Y+ produ
28 n7371f : One thing to keep in mind...Delta has to do this to keep pace with its trans-Atlantic partners KLM and Air France. Both KL and AF offer a premium econ
29 MaverickM11 : It's a little odd they announce it internally without an external press release...
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : You won't see one until probably until March of next year. Until then, if you are traveling int'l on Delta, you may get lucky and cop one. They will
31 OA412 : That's weird. I can see the logic in waiting so that they can have a significant portion of the fleet good, but why not announce it early and start t
32 FL787 : The fact that they are already installing this product tells me that the hard product will be the exact same as regular Y except for legroom. Those a
33 jetlanta : I saw a reference to a "branded" product, so I'm not sure if that is the case or not.
34 Transpac787 : DL also positions 763ER's into SEA on ATL-SEA now. Not sure if it's a scheduled thing but you see it quite regularly.
35 SkyPriorityDTW : All it says on DeltaNet is that we are going to have Y+ on international BusinessElite-equipped aircraft, and until 1Q next year the seats will be giv
36 airbuske : As I had mentioned in another thread about a month ago, all Y+ mods will be completed by Summer 2011. Has the news been made public? Then I might rele
37 FL787 : But couldn't it be a branded product where the only difference from coach is legroom and some soft product improvements? Obviously I'm only guessing
38 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Well apparently it has been announced internally, so yes
39 Post contains images airbuske : I think I'll wait for the official press release. But let's just say (suprisingly) not all fleets will experience a reduction in total seat count.
40 commavia : For years, people have pushed AA to install a higher-end Business product (lie-flat, PTVs, etc.) and AA's basic contention - even if not necessarily
41 FlyASAGuy2005 : I think it will be like UA. The specifically mention added seat pitch and recline but nothing more really. It will be marketed as Y+ however. They sa
42 skyguyB727 : If it hasn't been announced publicly, that would make it company confidential information. Is it really appropriate to discuss a company's confidenti
43 1337Delta764 : For the IFE system, DL is waiting on FAA approval for Panasonic's new Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors, which weigh 60% less than the standard eFX/eX
44 laca773 : If DL is going to add a premium economy on their transcons, it would be nice to see them offer complimentary cold meals at the very least. UA Y+ on t
45 FL787 : After reading I this posting on DLnet, I was surfing around and found some other news that I had not heard about. I see that the 763As are getting 6 a
46 FlyASAGuy2005 : As has been said already, that is only temporary. They are not going to promote the Y+ seats until they get a good # of the fleet reconfigured. The m
47 FL787 : I don't know what you consider basically the same capacity but UA's A320s have either 138/144 seats, compared to DL and US who have 148 and 150 respe
48 Post contains images catiii : Well gosh, if they didn't that would shut down A.net!
49 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Ha ha! LOL you got me. Good catch It's funny how the mind works isn't it?
50 BD338 : Y+ Bring it on!! Way overdue. DL, if you have Y+ on TATL next year you have my business! The fare gap between Y and J is just too big for me to afford
51 mayor : I've gone back to 9/30 under IFS news and I haven't seen it, yet. Also a note to all employees.............info on DeltaNet, unless it has been relea
52 tristarcrazy : I couldn't find it either. Do you think they removed it?
53 mayor : As I said, above, no it's not appropriate. Delta is very protective of their info, especially if it hasn't been released.
54 MSPNWA : Must have. It's gone from where it was. Everything was so strange about that piece. You would think it would be proclaimed front and center publicly
55 mayor : Not necessarily. Many announcements are made to the employees on DeltaNet before they are released to the public. They probably aren't ready to annou
56 alitalia744 : People should be careful of posting information that isn't publicly released. Delta watches.
57 dlatl37 : Where did you see this ? Why are they waiting so long to improve the interiors of the 5500 757's ? They are in terrible condition..
58 FlyASAGuy2005 : Quote button at it again. That was FL787 and yes it's the first time I'm hearing of it as well.
59 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : They speak the truth. You'd be stupid to divulge what is considered by Delta to be "internal communications" in a public forum. Those of you who do m
60 LAXtoATL : From a source in DL, information posted on DeltaNet is not considered proprietary or confidential. If it is appropriately posted there, it is conside
61 Crosscheck007 : Your source is wrong. Cheers, 007
62 LAXtoATL : Well, maybe. But I will trust my source, since you don't know who it is it is understandably that you don't have the same respect for them that I do.
63 Crosscheck007 : To each their own. I can't enforce, only advise. Cheers, 007
64 MNMncrcnwjr : From my understanding retirees have access to Delta.net as well ...... and of course are bound by the same access conditions .... however at that poi
65 FlyASAGuy2005 : No, you are wrong. I asked corporate security today. They said if they don't want it public, they won't put it on DeltaNet, period. And this is comin
66 LAXtoATL : I appreciate you making that call. I was confident in my source, but it is always nice to have independent confirmation!
67 srbmod : Please keep the discussion on topic. If Delta has any issues with members posting information off of DeltaNet here, they can contact the appropriate p
68 FlyASAGuy2005 : srbmod makes a good point. They would have already contacted the a.net admin asking them to have this thread totally removed. Back on topic; this a st
69 FL787 : It is under flight ops on DLnet. It's dated October 29th.
70 777STL : Considering the other big players in Oneworld, that being QF, BA and CX, all have it, I wouldn't bet against AA introducing it at some point.
71 flyguy89 : Is it just me or does all this seem somewhat cyclical? I mean in the beginning there was first class and economy...then there was first class, busines
72 MadDogJT8D : Just noticed on Flightaware that N1607B went JFK-ATL on Monday 11/1 and had a 3-day stay before turning back ATL-JFK today. N1608 just flew down to JF
73 OA412 : No it's not just you. We definitely seem to be going full circle with business now being the new "first" for many carriers and Y+ being similar to wh
74 LondonCity : CX does not offer a premium economy cabin - yet. But I understand CX will announce some new seating products in the early part of December in HKG.
75 Post contains links srbmod : Well, this is bit of info has hit the website the local newspaper here in Atlanta: Delta may add premium coach section So either someone at the AJC ha
76 bnatraveler : Word from authoritative sources is that WN may not be getting rid of the premium cabin on FL and, in fact, could be expanding it throughout WN.
77 LAXtoATL : Huh? Don't bet on it. Why would Southwest alter the heart of their model that works so well for them? Anyway, just a few days ago in response to some
78 SurfandSnow : Southwest has already altered their entire model of serving secondary airports (OAK, ONT, ISP, etc.) to serve higher cost primary airports (SFO, DEN,
79 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's true but I guess they spoke too soon because within the last several weeks, Kelly had been quoting as saying that the F cabin will be removed
80 LAXtoATL : Did you happen to read my entire message? The part where I mentioned that Southwest's CEO directly confirmed there will be no premium cabin on Southw
81 gaystudpilot : I've said it on here before... This has been an on-again off-again project for a few years. Y+ will be branded EconomyElite.
82 cslusarc : Do you think that DL's "Economy Elite" class will be positioned closer to UA's Economy Plus Class or NZ's Pacific Premium Economy "Spaceseat"?
83 CabinC : I would guess it will be similar to UA's Economy Plus. They will want to directly compete with United. If they offer something similar to NZ's produc
84 timf : Given the lack of any previous announcement and accelerated timetable for getting aircraft reconfigured, it's a safe bet that it will be an Economy P
85 burnsie28 : It's not a rumor it's true. The first aircraft with the modification will begin this week, the 75E's will be done first. However, Delta will not offic
86 LondonCity : What you say makes sense. As nice as NZ's product would seem to be (bear in mind that the new NZ product will enter service on NZ's soon to be delive
87 trex8 : Does anyone know how well UA is doing with their E+ seats, I know many, maybe most, pssengers in E+ are upgrades but are there enough people paying ex
88 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm sure the ancillary revenue is there but my guess is it's sort of like what domestic first has become today. It's there to keep your elites happy.
89 readytotaxi : Just a thought from this side of the pond, if a US airline took the bold step and said "no more Y on transatlantic, all Y+ seating,but the price remai
90 Delimit : UA has consistently said E+ is a money maker.
91 LAXtoATL : My guess is that it is a money marker on international flights, as there is a sizable group that would pay for more comfort on longer flights but can
92 Cubsrule : I think that's right on, say, IAD-BDL or ORD-STL. But on a route like ORD-SEA or DEN-DCA, there's definitely potential for added revenue. I can't say
93 pfletch1228 : AA tried that with "More Room Throughout Coach" (MRTC I think it was called) and it tanked badly..
94 LHCVG : Although in fairness, I think readytotaxi has a point that international service only may be a different story. Trading some junk fare pax for higher
95 Delimit : ANA is doing it right now.
96 hypercott : I have been waiting for this for a long time (Delta Diamond and coach traveler by budget)... Though, knowing Delta well, my guess is that the overall
97 pfletch1228 : @readytotaxi - incidentally, what you are suggesting has been done by other carriers. SAA pulled out two rows of coach about 5 odd years ago and incre
98 bobnwa : Do you mean that SAA had an increase in trip total revenue across the board by removing two coach rows and increasing fares on all the remaining Y se
99 pfletch1228 : Yes, that is what they claim. However, I think the circumstances were rather unique. Prior to SAA taking delivery of the A346s, they used B744s on th
100 srbmod : To reiterate what was posted earlier: If users bring this topic back up, they risk having this thread locked. Please stick to the topic and not whethe
101 FL787 : Looks like the 77Es are getting the slimline 5751 seats just like the 77L. I assume that that is where the space for Y+ is coming from.
102 FlyASAGuy2005 : I thought the plan was to have slimline fleetwide to be able to add the 5-10 extra seats they allow? I'm guessing with the int'l seats, they will rem
103 1337Delta764 : I assume the same is true for the 764ERs as well.
104 EMB170 : So if I book at TATL trip on DL for March/April 2011 (I am a medallion flyer), should I book towards the front of the coach cabin to try and get an Ec
105 FlyASAGuy2005 : From how their talking, i'm betting a good chunk will be done by then. The problem however is no one knows how DL will deploy the program as it hasn'
106 laca773 : If DL is going to offer a Y+ type of cabin, it would be nice to see them enhance the service, by adding meal service on mid/transcons as well as on f
107 cokepopper : According to the "Phantom" release on Delta Net, it stated that seat pitch was the only thing that would change around exit rows. No difference in "S
108 mayor : I am not bringing this subject up, per se, but just reminding you of why I reminded people of this in the first place. I'd hate to see anyone get int
109 PacificClipper : One point to note is that UA has much more reasonable E+ upgrade fees that say CO (pre-merger). For example, SFO-PHL is either $59 or $69 on UA (can'
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