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BA Looking At SAS, Finnair, TAP, Aer Lingus, BMI  
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18547 times:

A few months ago, BA/IB announced they were looking at several carriers as acquisition targets. Today, Walsh announced 5 of the candidates as SAS, Finnair, TAP, Aer Lingus, and BMI.

From the article, it states that BA has long considered itself as a potential consolidator in Europe – earlier this year the company finally inked a merger with Iberia of Spain – but Mr Walsh was careful to say that he was only interested in BMI for certain.

“There will be opportunities for further consolidation,” he said. “Not all of these airlines would be attractive to us. Some of them would make sense in a BA context some would make sense in an IAG [the holding company for the merged BA and Iberia] context.”

Still, the comments will focus speculation that BA plans to make further mergers and acquisitions a core part of its strategy. In September Mr Walsh said that he had drawn up a list of 12 candidates to buy or merge with after completing the Iberia deal.

Full Article below:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/news/770.html

Then click on the link titled "Walsh Picks out five rivals in play"

[Edited 2010-11-03 11:18:07]

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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18509 times:

Quoting EricR (Thread starter):
SAS, Finnair, TAP, Aer Lingus, and BMI

SK: founding member of Star Alliance, so not very likely. Although one never knows in aviation.
AY: already strong partner within oneWorld, but would like to see them keep their own identity.
TP: little chance. Lufthansa and Star will not let them go. Too importand to Brazil (and South Americe).
EI: ok, let them have them, don't think there is room for EI in Star/LH. Maybe KL/AF might be interested?
BD: would this be approved by EU? Creating kind of monopoly in/to UK? Or is BE strong enough to compete?

Maybe I'm seeing things too simple? These are just my first thoughts.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18360 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
SK: founding member of Star Alliance, so not very likely. Although one never knows in aviation.
AY: already strong partner within oneWorld, but would like to see them keep their own identity.
TP: little chance. Lufthansa and Star will not let them go. Too importand to Brazil (and South Americe).
EI: ok, let them have them, don't think there is room for EI in Star/LH. Maybe KL/AF might be interested?
BD: would this be approved by EU? Creating kind of monopoly in/to UK? Or is BE strong enough to compete?

Maybe I'm seeing things too simple? These are just my first thoughts.

BD surprised me as well, but it is interesting that Walsh said they were "interested only in BMI for certain".
SK has an enormous amount of debt that is not very appealing for any acquiring airline.
TP would be a nice addition along with IB. This would create a dominating airline on the Iberian Peninsula and would compliment AA's strength in Brazil.
EI makes some sense. There has been recent talk of EI possibly entering OW again.
AY no surprise here.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
BD: would this be approved by EU? Creating kind of monopoly in/to UK? Or is BE strong enough to compete?


I don't think BE would be a factor. Their presence in the London market is small. BA's presence outside London is small - i.e. negliable overlap. A lot would come down to how any deal, if it happenned, was viewed. In a European context, stronger LHR hub compared to CDG/FRA etc would be created. But in an LHR context competition would be reduced

Having said that in the article there is this quote:
"If Lufthansa [BMI’s parent company] are looking to sell BMI we would be interested in acquiring it"

I wasn't aware Lufthansa are looking to sell bmi currently. They instead seem to be trying to turn it around. That may or may not be with a view to selling it at a later date but there appears to be no 'for sale' sign over bmi now. So unless BA went to LH with an offer (which that quote implies they won't) then no chance of a deal anytime soon. (Things could change with the new LH CEO, but thats far from certain)

And that leads onto a wider point - there has to be a willing seller for any deal



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18058 times:
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Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
TP would be a nice addition along with IB. This would create a dominating airline on the Iberian Peninsula and would compliment AA's strength in Brazil.

How will this complement AA's strength in Brazil? Simply because they might possibly be in the same alliance? Luckily BA won't be able to afford LAN, especially since LAN's market value is more than BA's. LAN market value is around U.S. $ 10,400 million!

[Edited 2010-11-03 12:12:05]

User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17913 times:

I think it's not so much about who they want to buy but who is willing to sell. I guess anything will sell at the right price but I don't think it's their intention to buy at any price.


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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17869 times:
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As AY share holder only over my dead body...
SAA would be nice addition to OW  



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17867 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
BD: would this be approved by EU? Creating kind of monopoly in/to UK? Or is BE strong enough to compete?

Don't see why not as they have eaten all of the other London area airlines over the years that were smaller than them e.g. BCAL and Dan-air. BMI at LHR would just finish the job like Dan air did at LGW. It is BAs chance to gain more cheap A320s and LHR slots remember.

[Edited 2010-11-03 12:35:05]

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12475 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17810 times:

I would be surprised to see LH sell BD, but on the other hand, they are looking at SK and reportedly, LOT as well. Their investment in BD has not gone particularly well, but

The question is, what price would BA have to pay for BD, in terms of slots; the two would be dominant there and I am sure they would have to surrender quite a few - particularly when you consider that IB's slots would probably come into the mix as well.

Personally, I would not hold my breath about EI; as much as I'd like to see another carrier buy into EI, FR is not going to be going anywhere; I don't see the investigation by the UK Competition Authority getting anywhere and if MO'L does propose selling the EI shareholding, it will want something politically unacceptable in Ireland as a quid quo pro (such as its own terminal at DUB).


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17790 times:

[quote=SCL767,reply=4]How will this complement AA's strength in Brazil? Simply because they might possibly be in the same alliance?

Because it will offer Brazil orginating traffic better options to North America on the same alliance than is currently offered to North America by UA today.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17661 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
AY: already strong partner within oneWorld, but would like to see them keep their own identity.

BA/IB+AY would make sense on the map at least, the world would be nicely covered. AY serves more destinations in Far East than BA+IB.

I believe AY needs a bigger partner in some point, especially if LH takes SK, but same here I hope the can keep their own identity.


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17642 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
AY: already strong partner within oneWorld, but would like to see them keep their own identity.

I'm pretty sure that if BA or IAG acquired any other airline (except bmi), that airline would retain it's own identity.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
The question is, what price would BA have to pay for BD, in terms of slots

It has been said before that a lot of bmi's slots aren't very useful/valuable (and I think quite a few are leased out to partner airlines anyway), so maybe even if BA had to shed a lot of BD's slots, it wouldn't be THAT painful? I don't think they could shoehorn BD's operation into T5 either, anyway.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17560 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
SK: founding member of Star Alliance, so not very likely. Although one never knows in aviation.

Why would the shareholders care about Star Alliance? If BA would make a better offer than LH or any other investor, why would the Danish, Swedish and Norwegian governments, and other shareholders care about StarAlliance?

The only issue is that if BA would by SK (and make it change from StarAlliance to OneWorld), is that BA would need to incur the cost of changing alliance. If LH would buy it, they won't need to do it, so for BA, acquiring SK is more expensive than it would be for LH.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
AY: already strong partner within oneWorld, but would like to see them keep their own identity.

Why wouldn't they keep their identity? IMO, having a financially strong partner can improve the position of the brand. And look how KL, LX, OS and SN have all kept their identity and grew since being taken over by AF and LH.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
TP: little chance. Lufthansa and Star will not let them go. Too importand to Brazil (and South Americe).

But LH nor StarAlliance hold any shares in TP. The Portugese government does. Again, if BA/IB offer a better deal than LH, then there is not much LH/Star can do about it (other than giving a better deal). But then LH must be willing to buy TAP in the first place.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
EI: ok, let them have them, don't think there is room for EI in Star/LH. Maybe KL/AF might be interested?

A main problemen with EI is that they have a certain shareholder (some 19% of the shares) that might not be too willing to cooperate in a BA-EI takeover.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
BD: would this be approved by EU? Creating kind of monopoly in/to UK?

Probably they need to give up slots in such a case. But is LH looking to sell it?


User currently offlinethediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17427 times:

BD and BA hardly compete anymore, and added together don't have the dominance of their home hub that LH or AF have.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
SK: founding member of Star Alliance, so not very likely. Although one never knows in aviation.
Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
SK has an enormous amount of debt that is not very appealing for any acquiring airline.

Debt will result in a lower stock exchange price. Star alliance equals nothing when buying or selling a business.

Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
EI makes some sense.

EI is a profitable airline - perhaps the only profitable airline on the list, well run, knows how to compete against FR.


User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17388 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 12):
A main problemen with EI is that they have a certain shareholder (some 19% of the shares) that might not be too willing to cooperate in a BA-EI takeover.

Ryanair currently owns 29.82% of Aer Lingus.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17392 times:

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 13):
EI is a profitable airline - perhaps the only profitable airline on the list

AY 3Q: operational profit of EUR 41.9 million


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 16658 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 7):
Don't see why not as they have eaten all of the other London area airlines over the years that were smaller than them e.g. BCAL and Dan-air. BMI at LHR would just finish the job like Dan air did at LGW. It is BAs chance to gain more cheap A320s and LHR slots remember.

But things have changed somewhat since those days!

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 11):
It has been said before that a lot of bmi's slots aren't very useful/valuable (and I think quite a few are leased out to partner airlines anyway), so maybe even if BA had to shed a lot of BD's slots, it wouldn't be THAT painful? I don't think they could shoehorn BD's operation into T5 either, anyway.

Except, other that the slots, of what real use in reality is BD to BA?


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16472 times:

Some BD slots have already been disposed of to other *A airlines (they have been recorded as such in BD's accounts).

Even if some slots have been disposed of and many are not at peak times, BA would still acquire a very valuable portfolio of slots when there is virtually no other scope to expand at LHR. BA has the scale of operation at LHR to juggle things around to make use of the extra slots. That's why I think BA is good candidate to buy BD outright.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11635 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16341 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 17):
That's why I think BA is good candidate to buy BD outright.

I can certainly see the enormous attraction for BA - the strategic value of BD's slot holding, even if somewhat reduced by redistribution to other LH Group companies, is, needless to say, massive. Acquiring BD's slot holding would get BA closing to being on a competitive footing with its main rivals (AF/KL and LH) at their respective home hubs in terms of slot holdings - although, it bears repeating, still not anywhere close to what those airlines have in AMS, CDG, FRA or MUC.

However, I too wonder whether LH would be willing/interested to sell BD, and whether they would name a price to high for BA to reasonably justify. Does LH really want to sell BD? Or, will they in the future?

Beyond that, I also wonder what toll regulators would require of BA in order to secure a deal - what percentage of those LHR slots would BA not be allowed to take control of (particularly those at peak Trans-Atlantic 0600-1100 hours)?

And, beyond all that, how difficult would SRB make it for BA to secure these? He made quite the fuss about AA-BA, and while he ultimately failed to derail that deal, I can see him making just as impassioned an effort (if not more so) over this.

[Edited 2010-11-03 16:29:23]

User currently offlineSandager From Denmark, joined May 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14221 times:

I don't quite get it with this talking about the debts that SAS has...

In 2009, the total financial debts of SAS were roughly 6,6 billion Swedish Kr. What is that? around 1 billion Us Dollars? Not that much for an airliner the size of SK.


User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14191 times:

I think this is great news I think someone needs to stand up to Lufthansa and start buying out other airlines as the EU doesn't seem to be wanting to step in and stop LH, and theres no problem with a little healthy competition. I think that BD would be sopped my the Competition Commission or the EU will step up and i think EI would be a good choice and SAS appears to be under some offer by LH
LH Wants To Buy SAS (by olle Nov 2 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
Luckily BA won't be able to afford LAN, especially since LAN's market value is more than BA's. LAN market value is around U.S. $ 10,400 million!

Maybe but what we're looking at isn't BA buying LAN (not that is was mentioned), it would be the combined BA-IB as IAG buying LAN.

Quoting commavia (Reply 18):
And, beyond all that, how difficult would SRB make it for BA to secure these? He made quite the fuss about AA-BA, and while he ultimately failed to derail that deal, I can see him making just as impassioned an effort (if not more so) over this.

SRB either needs to shut up or buy up... no point whining about BA dominance at LHR if VS isn't prepared to do something about it by recognising times have changed, consolidation is happening within airline groups (BA-IB, AF-KLM, LH-OS-LX-SN-BD). If VS wants to do something it needs to jump into bed with *A and work out some sort of partnership/venture with LH-BD.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):
Or is BE strong enough to compete?

BE doesn't have any input at LHR so don't see how this changes anything. BE is a UK regional airline. The only place it competes is LGW. However BA already has a stake in BE. Would that not be a prospect to bring BE into IAG and OW. It's not a true LCC as it offers lounge access, they interline and codeshare with various airlines. If IAG did buy the remaining shares in BE then I guess the competition authorities may look more closely at any moves to also buy BD or EI. Having said that the EU has happily let LH dominate european skies with purchase of OS, SN and LX

Quoting teme82 (Reply 6):
As AY share holder only over my dead body...

AY would keep its brand but would be stronger under IAG and bring value as the northern european hub of the group to asia.


User currently offlineokay From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

Quoting spud757 (Reply 21):
AY would keep its brand but would be stronger under IAG and bring value as the northern european hub of the group to asia.

I am sure the saying "everything is on sale, as long as the price is right" is true.

However, there has not been any sign from the biggest share holder of Finnair's stocks, the Finnish government, to say they would be interested in selling Finnair. Even though such talks have been going on for long already in neighbouring countries Sweden and Norway (sale of SAS).

I recall some minister saying a while back that the government has two points of intests concerning Finnair and aviation in general. As a shareholder the government wants Finnair to make money. From aviation point of view the government has to make sure that the public is offered flight services both domestically and internationally. At the moment Finnair is doing this, among other airlines operating in/to/from Finland. However, Finnair is, at the moment the only airline offering long haul ops from Finland (this will change as AA opens the Chicago route). I think this is something the government would be conserned if Finnair was to be sold.


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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11603 times:

If BA-IB buy TP, it will be a reactionary move to the recent LA-JJ merger. Specifically, their interest in TP is clearly aimed at Europe-South America (at least it seems to me) and to a lesser extent, more slots on the lucrative (by all accounts here) Europe-Portugese Africa (which all seem to be oil destinations). If the combined LATAM group sticks with oneworld then I doubt there will be as much of an impetus to buy TP, but if LATAM goes to Star, then I would look for TP to move up the list. Interestingly enough, JJ used to partner with oneworld carrier AA fairly heavily prior to joining Star...

Does anyone know when LATAM is expected to make their alliance choice?

Also: If BA does buy BD, I have no doubt that LH will gut so much of the company (slots, aircraft, etc.) and redistribute it to other divisions (LH, LH Italy, LX, or SN) that it won't be the anti-trust behemoth that wouldn't pass muster.

AY: makes sense, but does BA need to buy AY?

SK: would checkmate the LH group (which has apparently declared interest), shake things up a bit



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11301 times:

Quoting EricR (Thread starter):
SAS, Finnair, TAP, Aer Lingus, and BMI

In addition to those, I wish IAG would look at Malaysian and SAA.

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25 EricR : The WSJ already reported on Tuesday morning Jürgen Weber as saying: "We would gladly integrate SAS," Weber said, however at the moment the carrier i
26 Navigator : They can always look but as far as SAS and Finnair goes it will not happen. Lufthansa is much better positioned in all respect to make moves towards
27 LX138 : Not sure why people are surprised about BD. BA would take the slots and shut it down thats what. SK = anything could happen, being a 'founding' membe
28 airbazar : I don't see it either other than the small number of Brazilian passengers who currently fly to Europe via AA's hub in the US, or if BA would start LI
29 Talaier : That's the only really valuable asset. Other than that, there is not really anything extra TP can provide which IB cannot tap into using its own meta
30 Speedbird741 : Yes, 9 destinations in Brazil from a company with a very well established brand in that market. What value would they ever see in TAP's Brazillian ne
31 Humberside : See commavia's point.Regulators would consider the time as well as number of slots The OfT probably would though Some A319/A320/A321's that may facil
32 Humberside : BE was the perfect way for BA to get rid of it's domestic network. The LHR routes BA will want to keep, and at Gatwick while BA could always offload E
33 OP3000 : Given how difficult it is to execute a purchase/merger, Mr Walsh's statements about having lists of a dozen targets (or half a dozen this time) seem
34 Post contains links slz396 : Is BD even up for sale? BA are just wasting their time and daydreaming about what could have been, as it seems to me LH is going to hold on to bmi for
35 Post contains images teme82 : Perhaps but what IAG would offer to the Finnish government that holds the majority in AY? Well I would like a chair in the board of directors
36 HELyes : And I agree with you guys. IAG would get a healthy partner specialized in Europe-Asia traffic and a hassle free hub, AY would get more muscles joinin
37 EricR : You obviously know nothing about TP's Brazilian network. TP offers more flights to more Brazilian destinations than any other European carrier. TPs n
38 OP3000 : How would AA and TP complement each other in Brazil? That's like saying that AF and DL compliment each other in Africa because both have lots of flig
39 EricR : Complement does not necessarily mean complimentary route networks to benefit connecting passengers. They are complementary in the sense that both hav
40 EnviroTO : Of those really only BD and AY make sense to me. The moves of BA and oneworld show they aren't interested in hubs or airlines close together. EI is to
41 OP3000 : TP already has maximum alliance potential in Brazil by having JJ in their same alliance - whereas oneworld has no Brazilian carrier. So BA-TP adds no
42 Post contains images CYatUK : I can't stop wondering why LH would ever decide to sell BMI to BA given that this move would essentially hinder their control and influence on the hub
43 Post contains links slz396 : Indeed, BD isn't up for sale and won't be for a long time especially now that LH managed to stop BD from bleeding money! Indeed, LH recently reported
44 JoeCanuck : Actually in reading the entire article, Walsh doesn't seem anxious to buy anything. He's just seems to be laying out what BA might be interested in i
45 SCL767 : Yes it does, if BA acquires TP, TAM will take-over most, if not all, of TP's long-haul flights between Portugal and Brazil!
46 Post contains images airbazar : Being from Portugal with family working in the airline industry in Portugal, I think I know a thing or two about TP's Brazilian network My point is,
47 EricR : I'm not so sure BA agrees with you. 1.) Apparently BA sees the value otherwise they would not have listed it as an acquisition target. Therefore, TPs
48 VV701 : The speculation here is about what BA might buy. But the statement quoted by the thread opener is about which European airlines might come up for sal
49 airbazar : Unless they want to buy it just to keep it away from LH, then shut it down and sell its most valuable assets to repay the debt. In the process they e
50 kiwiandrew : Actually , it is not that easy , just because Europe has a single aviation market internally it does not mean that all other countries outside the EU
51 Humberside : Not the best example there. The service has since been transferred to operate under bmi's own brand AFAIK nothing has been said beyond returning it t
52 Post contains images commavia : Yep - that's what it looks like to me. So, I guess the question then becomes: would BA - hypothetically, let's say 3-5 years down the road - even nee
53 airbazar : Brazil and the EU have signed an open skies agreement earlier this year. Any EU or Brazilian carrier can operate between any 2 cities in Brazil and E
54 LJ : As far as I know the deals between the EU and Brazil hasn't come through yet. As for TP. The EU will surely monitor any tie up between TP and IB very
55 airbazar : Interesting. I was convinced that the first phase was signed during the EU-Brazil summit last Summer and that only the issue of frequencies remained
56 Humberside : But if theres no long term future why invest in the fleet, why launch a new route to Tripoli, why transfer the TXL service from the LH brand to the b
57 BA174 : If BA took over BMI they would take the LHR slots and a few of the ex BMED A320s and that is it. I doubt they are interested in BMI as an operation to
58 shuggie : BA is the market leader in the UK, they've got pretty good coverage of a lot of the globe from Britain and if they can't get you there then they can p
59 VV701 : One person who apparently disagrees with thses observations is BA CEO Willie Walsh. In the link provided by the thread opener the FT says: "Mr Walsh
60 airbazar : As I stated above myself, I agree that if needed IB can provide all the TP has and more ,however I disagree with the rest pf the statement. That's li
61 OP3000 : While there are a fair amount of connections only LIS has enough O&D to have flights to more than 4 Brazilian cities. Saying that IB can do the s
62 boeingbus : Exactly my thoughts! BA will not takeover TP. It's just chatter to create a perceived interest to encourage consolidation in the EU to drive up prici
63 Humberside : BHD is the only domestic destination from LHR served by bmi and not BA
64 BA174 : You are joking right? BA are twice the size of IB and have many Spnaish people travelling via LHR on their services especially on the middle/far east
65 AirNZ : Which markets are you referring to? BD and BA were never in the same market, per sé, and historically have always had different strategies. Oh! how
66 airbazar : Actually what I've been saying is that IB could start flying from LIS to Brazil, once the innevitable EU-Brazil open skies agreement is signed, which
67 OP3000 : IB could fly from LIS, but they most likely will not. For the same reason why there has been very little invasion of turf among EU airlines on USA ro
68 teme82 : Well the deal is that the Government needs permission to sell from the Parliament. I think that would take long time and there are some minor stake h
69 airbazar : It's very different. There's is a lot or competition to the US and yields are relatively low in the back of the plane. Whereas to Brazil there's a lo
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