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OS To Consider 787/350  
User currently offlineQFA787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

From today's "other news" in atwonline. I would think the 787 is probably more right sized for OS and maybe LH's other owned carriers such as BMI/Swiss and possibly SK in the future. I've always considered the A350 to be the frontrunner at LH.
Would LH buy both the 787 and 350 families, or more than likely stick to one family or the other? It was only last week that LH said only the 789/7810 would be considered, as the 788 is too small. Is the 788 too small for OS etc or just LH?
The total number of aircraft in the 787/350 category required by the LH group of airlines could justify the purchase of both families IMO.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15845 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

Quoting QFA787380 (Thread starter):
I would think the 787 is probably more right sized for OS and maybe LH's other owned carriers such as BMI/Swiss and possibly SK in the future.

I have been thinking that OS is one of those carriers that would probably find the 787-9 to be a fine replacement for their 777s, especially when combined with 787-8s to replace the 767s. But, that said, there may be some advantage to commonality throughout the LH stable though I think that they are certainly large enough to buy both families and not suffer from excessive costs, and of course, the A350 might not be the best fit now, but I don't know what sort of aspirations LH may have for Austrian..



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31442 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
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While I believe LH themselves will stick with all-Airbus for their mainline fleet (taking the 747-8 out of necessity because it is the only plane that fills that niche), I could see them choosing Boeing for some of their "subsidiaries" (I don't know the actual corporate relationship between LH and SK/OS/etc.), especially if LH Technik (sic) wants to be able to support the 787 in addition to the A350.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15845 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
especially if LH Technik (sic) wants to be able to support the 787 in addition to the A350.

I'm sure that they will regardless of whether LH or any of their subsidiaries actually ever operates the 787.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting QFA787380 (Thread starter):
It was only last week that LH said only the 789/7810 would be considered,

Do you have a link ?



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User currently offlineQFA787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 4):
Quoting QFA787380 (Thread starter):
It was only last week that LH said only the 789/7810 would be considered,

Do you have a link ?
http://atwonline.com/news/other-headlines/

3rd subject mentioned.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Personally, I've always seen the 787 as the most likely option for OS; the A350 is a bit too big (yes, I know they operate the 772), but I think that a 788/789 combination would be ideal for them.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Quoting QFA787380 (Thread starter):
From today's "other news" in atwonline. I would think the 787 is probably more right sized for OS and maybe LH's other owned carriers such as BMI/Swiss and possibly SK in the future. I've always considered the A350 to be the frontrunner at LH.
Would LH buy both the 787 and 350 families, or more than likely stick to one family or the other? It was only last week that LH said only the 789/7810 would be considered, as the 788 is too small. Is the 788 too small for OS etc or just LH?
The total number of aircraft in the 787/350 category required by the LH group of airlines could justify the purchase of both families IMO.

Actually the 788 is for sure too small for LX not only for LH. They now replaced the 332 with 333 because the 332 was too small. For SWISS I see rather a mix of 358 and 359. There is a rumor at the moment that LX is interested in a few 346, which probably would then be replaced with 350-1000.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31442 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5226 times:
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Quoting ZRH (Reply 7):
Actually the 788 is for sure too small for LX not only for LH. They now replaced the 332 with 333 because the 332 was too small. For SWISS I see rather a mix of 358 and 359.

The A350-800 slots between the A330-200/787-8 and the A330-300/787-9, so it might be too small for LX, as well.

The 787-9 could directly replace their A330-300 and A340-300 fleets in terms of passenger capacity with a plane that can perform both existing aircraft's missions. The 787-9 would also offer four more LD3 positions than the A333/A343 and eight more than the A358.

A dual 787-8 and 787-9 fleet would work well for OS, I imagine. So coupled with an LX 787-9 order, that would make it large enough to secure a nice deal.


User currently offlineFoxThree From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Personally, I've always seen the 787 as the most likely option for OS; the A350 is a bit too big (yes, I know they operate the 772), but I think that a 788/789 combination would be ideal for them

I agree. I think the 787-8 would be the best replacement for the 767-300s and the -9 could take the place of the 777s. OS gets fleet commonality in an aircraft that's probably just the right size for the VIE hub.

Quoting QFA787380 (Thread starter):
It was only last week that LH said only the 789/7810 would be considered

I couldn't find the story. Either way, maybe this and QF's comments will be enough to finally push Boeing to get serious about the -10. I know their resources are stretched with the 787-8, 747-8, and 737/777 replacements, but I fear they risk losing a huge opportunity if they don't pursue the -10.


User currently offlinenicoeddf From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I'm sure that they will regardless of whether LH or any of their subsidiaries actually ever operates the 787.

Yes, LH Technik definitely will support the 787.

At the end, I see both fleets in the combined group. The A350 won't fit OS and SN due to size. For LH & LX it will be the perfect aircraft.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15845 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
The 787-9 could directly replace their A330-300 and A340-300 fleets in terms of passenger capacity with a plane that can perform both existing aircraft's missions. The 787-9 would also offer four more LD3 positions than the A333/A343 and eight more than the A358.

There is definitely a case to be made for the 787-9 at Swiss, but it becomes better if Boeing will offer a 787-10 along with it. I definitely don't think that Swiss needs the A350-800 for their route network. The 787-9 would offer more seats at less weight than the A350-800 and Swiss really doesn't need it, at least not now, as I believe that few, if any, of their routes are over 6000 miles.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3752 times:

B787-8/9 for BD, OS and SN.A350-8/9/10 for LX and LH. Everybody's happy (incl. LH Technik).


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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Nobody knows, but the decision will not be made in austria alone...


Lufthansa just had a presentation from Airbus showing the latest figures and estimates for the A350-800.


But i personally think OS could be a B789-operator.


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