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QF A380 SIN-SYD engine failure, emergency landing  
User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97994 times:

Just received from a local newpaper on Twitter

@NZStuffAlerts: BREAKING - Reports a plane has exploded over Batam in Indonesia... fears it may have been a Qantas jet.

@NZStuffAlerts: BREAKING - UPDATE: Local media speculating that debris was from a Qantas jet. This report is unconfirmed. More soon

[Edited 2010-11-03 20:24:42]

[Edited 2010-11-03 20:30:22]

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User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 98264 times:

ANd now this received...

@SkyWorldNews: BREAKING: Reports of an emergency landing of a Qantas jet in Singapore,following an explosion heard over western Indonesia



All very scary?


User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 98129 times:

Hope everything is alright and everyone is okay. It will be interesting to see what develops, although as I state I hope everyone is fine.


"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 98745 times:

Here's a picture: http://i51.tinypic.com/ilketf.jpg

User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 98157 times:

JAKARTA, Nov 03, 2010 (Xinhua via COMTEX) -- An airbus
plane operated by Qantas had an air accident in Batam island of
Indonesia on Thursday, with some pieces of the plane falling
down after an explosion in the air and the plane had landed in
Singapore, local police chief Eka Yudha was quoted by TV One as
saying.


User currently offlinescrumpy492003 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 98041 times:

Oh Dear,

As a photo is available, then I suppose that the outcome was positive.

Peter

[Edited 2010-11-03 20:27:06]


peter b95 c-ghfu
User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97940 times:

Hope everyone is okay.

User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 98225 times:

I saw the same thing on Twitter  

If its an A388, it would be QF31.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3277 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97838 times:

Looks like an A380, if it is, indeed, an Airbus.

Hope everyone is ok.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97841 times:

Looks like an engine problem from the smoke trail

User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97825 times:

can someone edit the title? It's misleading. The plane landed safely.

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97869 times:

yes, A380.   Sad. It has landed, so that's good - hope everyone is okay and that it's just an engine failure.

User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97502 times:

Again, the media blows this whole matter out of porportion. Glad that the plane landed safely, that's the most important thing!

[Edited 2010-11-03 20:45:06]


Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97420 times:

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 12):
Again, the media blows this whole matter out of porportion. Goodness its just an engine failure ! Glad that the plane landed safely, that's the most important thing!

Here is some of that media.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/43...8968/Plane-explodes-over-Indonesia



"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97219 times:

An article from an Indonesian news site with a picture (translated using Google Translate): link.

User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97039 times:

Uncontained engine failure?

User currently offlineAndrewCYChow From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 97051 times:

I think Reuter's frontpage is more misleading than anything else?



User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96848 times:

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 12):
Again, the media blows this whole matter out of porportion. Goodness its just an engine failure ! Glad that the plane landed safely, that's the most important thing!

But nobody knows that at first, it is sketchy details from a far away region, and everyone is desperate to get the first news out. That's no defense of this - but that's just how it is. I imagine the media will refine their articles soon.


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96937 times:

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...t-engine-fails-20101104-17f49.html

Engine #2 failure...


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96832 times:

I hope so too, let's keep our fingers cross !


Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96683 times:

Do we have reliable evidence that this was just an engine failure?

To my untrained eye, it appears that the smoke is coming just to the left of the engine, on the wing. But that's just me. Let's wait till we have more information to come to any conclusion.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96664 times:

Yeah,

It's amazing it was on the radio and news that the plane had crashed in Indonesia due to an inflight explosion.

Now it looks like simply a engine issue with a few debris making ground fall and plane returning safely to Singapore


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96673 times:

Where are the fuel dump valves on a 380?

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96521 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 20):
, it appears that the smoke is coming just to the left of the engine, on the wing

It looks like bits of the engine cowling according to the photograph, and I've seen the QF A380-842 close up enough to recognise what it is. In that location, there isn't much else that is red and white, except for right near the base of the tail.

The person above just asked the same question as I was going to. I wondered if that might be fuel dumping.


EDIT: Looks like the fuel dump valves are between the two engines on the dash 861 version (emirates). Don't know if the dash 842 is different. It does look like fuel dumping though.

[Edited 2010-11-03 20:45:46]

[Edited 2010-11-03 20:56:43]

User currently offlinePyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 96258 times:

Anyone checked Flightaware or other radar sites to see if this plane is still in the air?

25 Post contains images NZ107 : Second furthest canoe, just inside the outer engines: Landed in SIN.
26 ThreeIfByAir : That is an awfully new engine to be suffering an uncontained failure.
27 Airport : Reuters seems to have taken down its reports that the plane has crashed, but at the same time Fox News is reporting that the initial source that claim
28 Post contains links cpd : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA32 This might be QF32, rather than QF31. I'm open to correction though. Qantas B747-438 that had the bits go out
29 jasewgtn : Qantas are saying QF32. Headline in New Zealand has been amended to this now: BREAKING NEWS Qantas flight lands safely in Singapore after engine trou
30 NIKV69 : Wow I read a tweet that would lead you to believe it exploded in flight! Scary. Glad all is well!
31 KFlyer : QF32/3NOV flown by VH-OQA
32 aviasian : It's VH-OQA which departed Singapore earlier in the morning at 0956hrs to Sydney and eventually returned safely to Singapore at 1146hrs. The aircraft
33 PyroGX41487 : Thank God it was just an abundance of drama. I'm glad this wasn't a fatal accident, especially after all this type has endured in the testing phase.
34 Post contains links and images bioyuki : My friend was on the flight. Here's the pic he took: http://yfrog.com/0quh4dj You can see the damage to the wing. Edit: Added image directly[Edited 20
35 PWMRamper : Glad to hear everything is okay...should be interesting to find out what happened.
36 PyroGX41487 : Ouch! Uncontained fanblade failure?
37 flyorski : Wow! Thanks for sharing, its amazing that we can expect someone a.net to know someone/be acquainted with someone on virtually every flight. Impressiv
38 DH2Beaver : Flight Details QF 32 Operated by: Qantas Airways Depart: London (Heathrow) 4. Nov 11:10 Arrive: Sydney 5. Nov 20:15 Stopover: Singapore for 1:30 Total
39 Baroque : Correct. QF 32. It takes off for Sydney just after about 9.00 am Singapore time. Due in about 8.00 Sydney time. I was on that flight just over a mont
40 777ER : Heard it on the radio while driving home - glad that everyone is ok. Thats a very unfair comment on the media considering they were still receiving re
41 aviasian : DH2Beaver: Aircraft in question is an A380 that departed London-Heathrow on 3 November. KC Sim
42 cpd : Er, not quite. VH-OQA is A380-842, not a B747-400. Correct. It doesn't look a pretty sight. Looks like it shot bits and pieces up through the wing. I
43 Post contains links acidradio : Just to let everyone know - I changed the name of this thread to confirm that this was an engine failure and that there was NOT a crash. Qantas's corp
44 Baroque : Ouch. Are you sure??? It is usually an A380
45 Post contains links and images KFlyer : My goodness. Is this photo real ? ? Link: http://twitpic.com/33q4r7[Edited 2010-11-03 21:21:16]
46 cosmofly : It looks nasty. Uncontained??? Could the wing tank be damaged? She is going to be parked for a while.
47 timpdx : Wow, gotta love A-net. We get "treated" to a photo taken by a friend of a regular poster on a particular flight with a rare, newsworty incident, and s
48 Post contains images PITingres : Funny place for a fan event. I'd guess maybe an LPT failure of some sort? Ah yes, one of the 744's with the wing fences... (we see the leading edge o
49 bioyuki : Yes, the photo is real. This was his first A380 flight and was quite excited about it. You can see the original post on twitter, his username is @ulf
50 Quokka : But today is the 4th November, not the 5th.
51 Post contains images cpd : According to Sydney Morning Herald, "it looked like a large plane, like a Boeing 737-400"!!
52 SXDFC : Its always nice to hear of news stories that change for the better instead of the worse. For the record though, not to sound morbid, but if this plane
53 Post contains images 7673mech : Oh oh, ground the fleet! Add further delivery delays! Ground the 787 fleet too!!! Sorry guys, joking. Tired.
54 cpd : How many were on that B747-SR in Japan that crashed? That would still be one of the worst. Fortunately "Nancy-Bird" didn't crash.
55 KFlyer : bioyuki, yes, I realised it was real, but I meant the one I posted. Look at how horrible that is ! QF32/3NOV is VH-OQA A388. QF32/4NOV is 744. The fli
56 bohica : I'm surprised Fox even mentioned that much. The world could come to an end right now and CNN, Fox, and MSNBC could care less. Yesterday's elections a
57 Post contains links Baroque : http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ring-explosion-20101104-17f49.html Thinks it is an A380. I am trying to find my pics of the A380 wing from abou
58 Baroque : Indeed. Bloody enormous those things!!! Aha, so it was Nancy. I have to say I prefer Charlie!
59 Springbok747 : Just spoke to my cousin who was on the flight. All pax and crew are ok, no injuries or anything. There was a loud bang and the whole aircraft shook it
60 Post contains links and images VHHYI : This image showing the damage has since been added: Credit: AFP[Edited 2010-11-03 21:44:28]
61 cpd : It's luck of the draw - just extraordinary bad luck. BA had the problem with BA38 G-YMMM that went down at EGLL, so it's not just QF that has issues.
62 PyroGX41487 : Wow! Not flight-threatening, I don't think, but still scary. The poor passengers... What could have caused that? Fanblade? I'm no expert on engine fa
63 Post contains links Baroque : Yes, just saw that at http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ring-explosion-20101104-17f49.html Looks about the same stage has gone on this Trent as
64 Post contains images NZ107 : If you look at the trend, QF is lucky there's nothing bigger than the A380 at the moment Efficient market hypothesis.. Too efficient that the first b
65 Mir : To be fair, this isn't really that newsworthy of an event. If it was a crash, sure, but a return-to-airport isn't that big a deal - happens all the t
66 9V-SPJ : Yes, looks like an uncontained engine failure, and since it looks like it is the rear of the engine, maybe a turbine blade blew? 9V-SPJ
67 NZ107 : Press release from Qantas: Haha, love the addition of the last line.
68 Baroque : Easy. It was a Scarebus. And better yet, the really big and really scary Scarebus.
69 Post contains links ABpositive : I'm amazed by the effect media's mis-reporting has: "Investors sent shares tumbling by more than 5 per cent ... on reports that flight QF32 had crashe
70 Dizzy777 : 7 News australia just showed a picture of the aircraft on the tarmac (will post link as soon as it hits the net).. The bulk of the rear section of the
71 Dehowie : Im intrigued by the carbon markings aft of the reverse cowl looks like a lot of hear vacated through the side of the cowl. Think Rolls Royce have some
72 aussie747 : Had not the A380's just undergone a C check recently with Airbus or LH Technik in Hamburg recently. The service on this plane would have been done abo
73 francoflier : Not that weird, really. Uncontained engine failures usually send high velicity metallic debris flying in a disc shape around the failed disc. I have
74 Baroque : Probably engine surge either just before the failure, during or after it. Someone will know which.
75 cpd : VH-OQA - as was mentioned numerous times above. It's QF's first one.[Edited 2010-11-03 22:28:54]
76 andrewtang : It's VH-OQA, Qantas' first A380-842.
77 Post contains images twinotter4ever : Taking a look back at Reply 3's picture I would hazard to guess that the failed engine part (presumably turbine blades, discs, etc...) did penetrate t
78 Post contains images KFlyer : This is one photo to love
79 777ER : What makes you think the media said that as I can't see where it says that info came from the media? if it wasn't the worst single diasater then it w
80 LH648 : Qantas is quite unlucky with the Airbuses...
81 N14AZ : VH-OQA was in FRA just some weeks ago for maintenance (C-check? Don't remember wich check) at LH Technik. Did this include the check of the engines?
82 kaitak : Sky is just showing footage of emergency services at SIN spraying the left wing engines of the A380; from the footage, it looks like it is spraying we
83 SyeaphanR : I can't imagine this is being regarded with joy at RR, either! Just wait until some journo joins the dots to other events, especially the test-bed bl
84 railker : Well if it did puncture the fuel tank, there'd be fuel leaking on the ground, they probably want to try and keep that from posing any problems
85 Post contains links virgin744 : Guess its not uncommon for Qantas! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../a/2010/08/31/BA021F67JO.DTL&tsp=1 and this is a reenactment of what pro
86 DocLightning : The world's largest airliner, a brand-new aircraft, suffers an uncontained engine failure? Powered by RR engines made by the same manufacturer that h
87 'Longreach' : All A380's grounded until further notice...
88 kaitak : Just saw Alan Joyce giving a press conference; another aircraft being sent up to SIN to take pax back (I think you'll need two, Alan!) ... AJ also sai
89 'Longreach' : Your friends photo just appeared on ABC 24!!
90 KFlyer : @Longreach Just kidding ? If not where's the source ? The C check was from 14SEP. It flew QF6020 LHR FRA if you remember.
91 Post contains images etherealsky : What happens after an event like this? If it was a mechanical fault will RR be financially responsible? Also, can parts from the engine (accessories,
92 flyorski : I also saw that on BBC. I wonder if they are grounding all A380s because they expect another engine failure could happen at any time with perhaps a m
93 Post contains links 'Longreach' : Sorry I missed the word QF... All QF A380's suspended. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...ights/story-e6frfku9-1225947943247
94 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Here is a report that QF have indeed suspended A380 flights; Australian airline Qantas Airways (QAN.AX) grounded its entire fleet of A380 aircraft on
95 spacecadet : Nothing's newsworthy to some people here unless the deaths of hundreds of people are involved. The fact is almost any uncontained engine failure in a
96 Post contains images flyorski : Absolutely! Very well put, any un-contained engine failure is a serious event and should be treated as such.
97 LAXintl : Well I guess LAX is going to be a nice QF A380 parking lot. We have 2 on the ground now that I presume are getting cancelled, and should have two inbo
98 Zkpilot : QF has announced that ALL A380s will be grounded pending investigation to determine if safe to resume. QF has 7 IIRC.
99 Post contains links Swallow : The FAA issued an AD for the T900 two months ago, but is probably unrelated Wear, beyond Engine Manual limits, has been identified on the abutment fac
100 KELPkid : Seems like a bit of a draconian measure at this point. Uncontained engine failures, while rare, happen. It isn't like A380 engines are raining debris
101 Post contains images Woof : No, it's only take-offs that have been suspended. All other flight phases appear unaffected
102 jbrusnak : Much less financial impact than if a previously unknown flaw caused a more major incident. Can you imagine what a hull loss with loss of life would d
103 Woof : Which of the other carriers use the Trent on their A388s?
104 Post contains images KELPkid : Easier to count who doesn't That would be Air France and Emirates... Although I do believe QF have the distinction of being the only operator to use
105 frigatebird : Thank you for your post. If it was an uncontained engine failure and it caused a fuel leak, this may have been a narrower escape than I first thought
106 DocLightning : This one did... Probably because if there are manufacturing flaws, they will show up in the first several thousand hours of use. In fact, in almost e
107 Flying Belgian : LH & SQ. AF & EK are Engine Alliance powered.
108 brenintw : GE has had its share of problems with the engines on the 777 though -- AF has had quite a few IFSDs on its 77W fleet and I believe there was an AD (o
109 Post contains links Springbok747 : CNN are saying the cover "fell off"...more like "blown off". Can't even get their story right..geez..wonder who hires these people. http://edition.cnn
110 Post contains images KFlyer : KE too is, GP. Though they are yet to take delivery. IMHO, the grounding sounds like a PR stunt. Perhaps for 12hrs ? In any case, we should be glad th
111 Panman : FRA - 1 (OQB) LAX - 3 (OQD,E,F - OQF enroute at the mo) SIN - 1 (OQA) SYD - 1 (OQC) pAnmAn
112 Post contains links PITrules : I wish the US media would have guest experts like this (linked below) when discussing aviation matters. Probably the best, most comprehensive real ti
113 Post contains images KELPkid : Well, I hear the GE90-115B has the largest fan
114 Post contains links bigsmile : BBC have a report on this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11691197
115 AR385 : From the first picture, the engine failure appears to have punctured a fuel tank. 1) How likely is it that an engine this new experiences such an unco
116 etoile : Problems that lead to commanded IFSD might be considered a bug. An uncontained turbine failure (which today's Trent incident appears to be based on t
117 Baroque : Always dangerous when some type of equipment shows a problem, to assume that some competing item is flawless is it not? I rather doubt that. It sugge
118 AirGabon : Yes AF had many IFSDs with the 77W and 772ER fleet with diversions in the last 7 years to Irkutsk, Churchill, Azores etc... But didn't ground the fle
119 EK413 : I can't stand the bloody media!!! The aircraft carried out a routine air turn back, dumping fuel while circling Singapore airspace and landing safely.
120 XT6Wagon : I don't think it is. I don't know how long it will take to do the inspections they want, but clearly its alot safer to wait till you can inspect the
121 A480 : I am flying on an SQ A380 next week. Knowing that they too use RR engines, I hope they won't decide to also ground their fleet... What do you think? A
122 flybhx764 : If the A380 is grounded does that mean the routes go back to a 747-400 for the time being?
123 Post contains images KFlyer : I knew someone would pick this up. @Baroque so this is serious than it appears to be ? @AirGabon But we never had an AF 77W engine cowling fall off.
124 Navigator : If it is just an engine failure it can hardly be described as an emergency landing. On the photo it looks like the plane is dumping fuel. If this is w
125 Baroque : I doubt if even QANTAS know the answer to this as yet. But hot end failures are not to be taken lightly - well no failure is to be taken lighlty come
126 JQflightie : We dont fly the A388 to FRA... so why is it there? Maintenance? OH poor old Nancy Bird... some say she haunts VH-OQA......
127 sasd209 : That was a VERY good interview and talk by the guest....you are correct, more factual and educated (informed) people like this are need to comment on
128 slats : The media here in Australia is going into overdrive and a lot of it is absolute dribble.
129 777ER : How will QF's affected pax get to their destinations - via todays QF Australia B744 departures and via AKL on NZ and QF?
130 EDICHC : An engine failure is one thing, a catastrophic uncontained engine failure with resultant airframe damage is much more significant.
131 A480 : SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) said on Thursday it has no plans to ground its fleet of Airbus A380s after an engine failure forced a Qantas superjumbo to ma
132 Weebie : Part of an engine on a new aircraft has likely blow noff. I think this qualifies as a problem for Airbus and Rolls Royce.
133 Navigator : When I look at pictures now it sure looks serious. The engine has had a serious failure and an engine eruption. There could have been damage to the w
134 Post contains images sasd209 : I'm not sure of you noticed the after part of the engine cowling missing or the soot stains, or the punctures in the wing which may or may not have i
135 Post contains links olympic472 : Well, the Singapore news indicated that there are no grounding of the A380s. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...porelocalnews/view/1091329/1/.html
136 Auchmithie : C Check at Lufthansa. Flew LHR - FRA on 31/10.[Edited 2010-11-04 01:33:10]
137 Starlionblue : All in all, this story, to me at least, really shows how resilient modern airliners are. A rather serious engine failure with debris flying into the w
138 Post contains images Swallow : The BBC just interviewed an "expert" from BGC partners who says the T900 is a very successful and important engine for RR that will power the 787 Drea
139 ua777222 : Given that LH and SQ, who both operate with RR power-plants, have declined to ground their fleets, does this point to a QF-specific issue? Glad everyo
140 JL418 : BBC World News said Emirates and SIA (no mentions of Air France and Lufthansa though) are carefully following the developments of the story, but aren
141 Post contains links fca767 : Not sure which engine type this is but I remember it wasn't RR http://www.amtonline.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=2404
142 nicoeddf : The C-Check at LHT in FRA would not have anything to do with it... ...rather the IPT Disk which has been found at the ground. And the disk would not b
143 Post contains images Starlionblue : Too early to exclude any causes. Big bird in that case though. Then again birds do leave rather obvious "debris". It would be quite an anticlimax for
144 Post contains images francoflier : They still can't even pronounce it correctly... Fact checking is for those boring channels that no one watches. Engine explosion + Incident prone air
145 nicoeddf : And on the other hand: A bird should in no case be able to bring apart a disk of any sort in the engine. Airfoils surely, but a disk? Hmm...I am real
146 Starlionblue : I doubt it is a PR move. You don't make PR moves that cost that many millions per day. If they were sure this was an isolated event, they would keep
147 Post contains images airlinerart : Scary thought. I took this shot yesterday at 12.03 of VH-OQA as she passed near Ipswich, Suffolk, England, and just about to pass over the coast. Sorr
148 ua777222 : Emirates doesn't operate RR Engines... GE. In this incident, however, it occurred after revenue passengers had left the aircraft and mx staff were ru
149 Swallow : Airbus and RR are sending an team of investigators to Singapore. Obviously the investigation will take time so I presume QF will inspect all T900's (w
150 ua777222 : Also to add, and I'm sorry if it's already been asked/answered, but doesn't RR have sensors that they can monitor at all times--even when an aircraft
151 noelg : Another RR engine failure resulting in an emergency landing. I've said this before but this but it is becoming a very common occurence with their engi
152 Post contains links JL418 : Indeed it'll be. However, I think I've somehow overestimated the "power" of a birdstrike. Check out the pictures on this link: http://www.lastampa.it
153 francoflier : I do realize it will cost them millions to ground the fleet, which is why I am unsure of what exactly will provide them with reasonable conviction th
154 Post contains images keesje : I think it is. It look like a serious uncontained HPT failure, destroying the aft section of the engine and fire making its way forward to the front
155 faro : Not any more common than other engines experience. Statements like "very common" carry very little weight in the present forum unless they are backed
156 skairbus : Although, there could be a fault with the engine on this aircraft, I do wonder why these incidents always seems to affect Qantas... It could be coinci
157 Starlionblue : As Faro says, what is "very common"? Do you have numbers. Also even twenty per year compared to hundreds of thousands of flights isn't "common", let
158 blackwidow : looks like another "D Duct" failure.....
159 Cricket : I can't imagine how harrowing it must have been for the passengers, settling down after take-off and suddenly 'BOOM', aviation enthusiast or not, that
160 Baroque : If they have half a brain, not much. Time to share information. In any case RR probably does mx on both sets of engines. Certainly it does on the QF
161 Post contains links Baroque : Engine mx is by RR as you will find out on this link when the Joyce interview appears. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/ The latest program is not yet up t
162 Post contains images jumpjet : Oh dear, it makes me wonder how some people ever make the brave move to step outside of their door every morning!
163 Post contains links and images fca767 : ah yes, here's that part in a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMfXdl4OpgY&feature=related
164 Bongodog1964 : This statement has the appearance of the front page of a red top tabloid
165 Kaiarahi : Really? "Common" = occurring frequently (Meriam Webster). "Very common" = very frequently. How many thousands (probably tens of thousands) of cycles
166 columba : That is why I prefer 4 engines over 2
167 328JET : What is going on with Qantas, Rolls Royce and engine problems in the last time? First a B744 with uncontained engine failure, now this incident with Q
168 ThrottleHold : L/E slats not deployed and landing gear doors remaining in the down position....looks like there was a knock-on hydraulic failure too. The photo in re
169 Post contains images nicoeddf : It clearly is not, as it was the IPT disk, not the HPT disk which is stated a lot earlier in the thread. Is it? Like SQ and LH grounding all their fl
170 garpd : Twin jets have returned safely from identical failures.
171 alasdair1982 : Can Qantas cope without the A380's in service at the moment? Judging by the press conference by Qantas, the investigation could take a while.
172 Post contains links cloudyapple : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11691543 Is it me or does it look like the aircraft is sitting very low on the main gears in Picture 2? I
173 cloudyapple : And why are they spraying water (I hope, not foam!) into an undamaged engine?
174 Post contains links Dizzy777 : Even QF engineers want an investigation. Well thats what the union is saying. Here is the article. EDIT: More pics here[Edited 2010-11-04 03:47:09]
175 garpd : Definately some loss of hydraulics. All the gear doors are open, inc. the NG Does the MLG have some need of hydraulic pressure to level itself perhap
176 Starlionblue : You may prefer it, but the statistics and the science do not support your argument. Yawn. Two incidents out of tens of thousands of flights. The QF e
177 ktachiya : Reported on the top news here in Japan. Surprising that such a new engine would suffer that kind of damage. Didn't CX have a problem with Royce engine
178 ThrottleHold : Notice that the number 1 engine is actually still running, as evidenced by the stream of water being ejected from the rear of it. If the FADEC suffer
179 ltbewr : This is a very serious event, one so serious that QF has to ground it's fleet for sound reasons. Fortunately, only the a/c was damaged, no loss of lif
180 MD11Engineer : Depending on the C-check package, it would most likely contain jobcards for a hot section boroscope inspection on the engines. But even with this ins
181 garpd : an attempt to clean out any possible fod?
182 nicoeddf : How the hell do you come to your conclusions? It is just an engine failure. Not a pretty one, certainly, but WHAT on earth has the GP7000 or the TREN
183 Bongodog1964 : As SQ has a larger fleet of RR powered A380's, and has many more hours operating experience, any major design flaw would be likely to have appeared i
184 cloudyapple : Contaminated fuel picked up from Surabaya. That was a T700. Completely unrelated.
185 huskyaviation : Maybe not common, but even twenty per year would possibly lead an ETOPS-approved twinjet to a downgrade of the ETOPS capability. Obviously the A380 i
186 BOAC911 : The schedule has been updated, since Qantas has taken the A380 fleet out of service. 744 will now be operating.
187 babybus : That looks pretty terrible. Suppose we should see how much safer it is to have 3 more engines to rely on. What if that was a twinjet? How scary would
188 nicoeddf : Hmm...at least the last comment I take back...
189 Post contains links gemuser : Not necessarily. VH-OQA is QFs oldest A380 and my guesstimate is that she probably has around 6 to 7,000 hours, I suspect that is close enough that i
190 Post contains links rheinwaldner : SQ delays its A380 flights... http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/Util...Util/BreakingNewsPopup.jsp?msgId=1 The aircraft in LSZH can be seen in the snapsh
191 garpd : Don't see how the situation would be different. Bang is heard. Cabin announcement made. Plane returns to airport. People get off. End of event.
192 downtown273 : It's now estimated to depart at 1700 local, with a 6+ hour delay.
193 Post contains images tom355uk : Bored of all the anti RR and anti Airbus propaganda already. (rantstart) I'd really like to see the mod's clamping down on this S***. People just do n
194 markalot : I'm not getting all the people trying to dismiss this incident as minor ... just another engine failure. Regardless of the mechanics of the issue it's
195 moriarty : Swedish newspaper aftonbladet.se have a movie shot by a passenger on the plane. Not much really, a short clip showing the wing damage from passenger v
196 LTC8K6 : An inspection seems like a good idea for those operating these engines.
197 garpd : That one needs backing up. Lets see the "Cold hard facts" for that please. I'm not saying it isn't safe, but it is rather improper to call it is the
198 Starlionblue : In this case it would have made no material difference. And I doubt the pax would have been more or less scared. Aircraft parts fail all the time. Yo
199 LTC8K6 : Well, people reported hearing an explosion, and then a bunch of airplane parts were found. This report spread, as it would since there actually were
200 CharlieNoble : Assuming that the failure doesn't bring the whole plane down (tearing up the wing, fuel fire etc.). In that case, total disaster would be twice as li
201 Post contains links Baroque : Well not to doubt your diligence 328jet, but I rather wonder about that for a.net in general. The report on the RB211 failure attracted ZERO (zip, no
202 Post contains images LTC8K6 : Sure, but not an inspection that would spot the type of disc anomaly being bandied about. I guess with an uncontained failure, "disc" is what natural
203 Post contains images tom355uk : Hull Losses = Zero Fatalities In Service = Zero Injuries In Service = Zero How much safer than this can you get???? So, by definition, 'Safest'. Well
204 Post contains images EPA001 : You are correct, but this is an incident involving the A380. The airplane with the worlds most impact making profile. That Qantas has grounded the fl
205 shankly : This thread is for the kids (who I accept may not have seen such an event) and the would be speculators that have trained on Air Crash Investigation T
206 Post contains links miami1 : Qantas has had hull losses and has had fatalities. heres the link. I think most reports regarding no deaths or aircraft refer to the modern jet age. h
207 LTC8K6 : A bunch of debris did not fall on people, and it was not reported as the crash of loaded pax jumbo? I assure you, had it been reported as a crashed 7
208 Post contains links Desh : Any idea if the volcano eruption in Indonesia might have been a factor ? Not sure how close the plane flew to this ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/w
209 LTC8K6 : Also, there was just a rather large bomb scare incident.
210 Post contains links miami1 : and there was also this one in Mauritius http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...&reg=VH-EAC&airline=Qantas+Airways
211 b707forever : Qantas are being smart in grounding everything until they are clear what happened here. Especially for PR purposes in moving forward. They're staking
212 CHRISBA777ER : This is far less dramatic than people seem to want to make it into. Second or third stage turbine disk failure by the looks of it - judging by the siz
213 LTC8K6 : If this A380 hadn't been heard, and hadn't dropped debris over a populated area, and we hadn't just had a rather large terrorist incident involving ai
214 garpd : A little fact bending for sure. You neglected to take into account, how long has it been in service, how many passengers it has carried and how many
215 Post contains images Singapore_Air : SQ345 is getting its engines checked: [Edited 2010-11-04 05:41:28]
216 Post contains images tom355uk : Who has been hit by the falling debris? I can see no report of that, and surely that would have come out by now. 'Crash' erroneously reported, and cl
217 LTC8K6 : It certainly is now. However, people heard a big boom from a large airliner headed out over the sea, and then a lot of airliner parts fell on them. S
218 LTC8K6 : I didn't say anyone had been hit, and you know that. I'm not a reporter trying to sensationalize. It fell in a populated area. There's at least one p
219 katekebo : Wrong. Even a high school kid who took basic statistics would know that statistics and probability don't work like that. Concorde is the best example
220 CXB77L : This may be a non-event for most peopple in aviation circles - fuel dump and emergency landing at an airport is nothing unusual. But for people who ar
221 Post contains images LTC8K6 : I haven't seen anyone going mental at all. I've seen erroneous early reports, but mostly accurate info shortly thereafter. Maybe you need to hang out
222 CHRISBA777ER : Can anyone tell me why a guy on PPRUNE has listed my user profile here on their A388/QF32 discussion on there? Any ideas?
223 shankly : I was wondering that Chris...maybe he/she is a secret admirer? The location is Thailand, so maybe if you are passing........
224 tom355uk : Fact Bending????? OK, if you prefer: Hull Losses per year of service: A380: 0.000 B777: 0.067 B744: 0.143 A340: 0.235 (excluding one terrorist attack
225 CHRISBA777ER : As for the media reaction - its the usual thing. There cannot just be a bang and an emergency landing - that doesnt sell papers. It has to be: "there
226 Post contains links aviationweek : Watch Aviation Week's Max Kingsley-Jones discuss the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 issues here: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...=blogScript&plckEle
227 Post contains images nicoeddf : Very interesting YOU point this out. Let me make the calculation for you with the variable Fatal accidents = 0 0 divided by ANY number of cycles will
228 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : I'm back in London now mate. Couldnt believe it when I saw it lol Ah well - i bet he is disappointed now - i'm not an expert and well out of my depth
229 Post contains links KFlyer : Is the ZRH cam live, or is the SQ frame still there, as seen at http://cam4.unique.ch/cam.cgi?x=31.00&y=-6.00&z=2&l=1&i=1288875675 ?
230 Tristarsteve : There is a picture on Pprune showing half a disc lying in someones back yard. There is a picture in this thread of a side view of the engine where yo
231 jpiddink : Perhaps anyone on this forum could shed some light on the question how the temporary grounding of the QF 380 fleet impacts their schedule? I can imagi
232 na : Very, very scary. Better have three engines running than just one.
233 Post contains links Dizzy777 : Some additional pics http://news.ninemsn.com.au/glancevie...gine-part-falls-off-mid-air.glance
234 Baroque : Not unless Singapore city is covered in ash. Merapi is about 1 hr 20 to 30 minutes into the flight and I think they are diverting around a possible z
235 Post contains links NAV20 : Singapore Airlines now say that they are 'delaying' flights by their A380s too. I believe they have 11 in service, all with RR engines. "Our engine ma
236 Post contains images francoflier : Kudos to the crew. They, once again, gave us a display of praiseworthy airmanship and saved the day. I'm sure Michael O'Leary would have been absolute
237 Baroque : What would he say to find they had 3 on the flight deck and at least another two available on the plane?
238 Post contains links mauriceb : Funny to see is that SQ is clearly doing some engine checks at ZRH: http://cam4.unique.ch/cam.cgi?x=31.00&y=-6.00&z=2&l=1&i=1288878155
239 eggync : hmmm, this is serious...... at first I thoguht its just another engine failure......... but an engine blown up during the flight!! From these pictures
240 kalvado : Yes it is. As far as I remember, some very crude industry average is 1 hull loss over 3 million cycles. How many cycles did 380 do so far? This frame
241 alasdair1982 : Why did you not attribute several 747 hull losses to human error (i.e Tenerife), terrorist attacks, and even being shot down?
242 moriarty : I think this is pretty much the key issue, if the stats are not out of the blue (not saying they are). Media really overreacts and blow things out of
243 Starlionblue : QF engineers union is posturing as part of a campaign to get maintenance back in-house at QANTAS. As of now, some maintenance is performed by such dod
244 rquesty : For what it is worth. This is not a minor incident. An uncontained engine failure can have very severe consequences (the manchester air disaster in 19
245 BA174 : How will QF cope tonight with the usual round of A380 flights. I presume 2 or 3 of their A380 fleet will be stuck at LHR at BAs maintenance base? Will
246 Bralo20 : According to another board Singapore Airlines has just decided to ground their A380 fleet pending investigations...
247 eggync : wow...... just read and saw...... left leading edge slat not deployed and landing gear bay door not retracted...... there really is a hydraulic proble
248 beeweel15 : They are designed to clear the ground when open on the ramp. On many aircraft from both Boeing and Airbus the gear doors are only inches from the gro
249 Post contains images airbazar : Doubt it. Besides, it was an engine failure not a frame failure. In fact, by all accounts, the air frame seems to have handled this serious engine fa
250 ACABlaker : I would not be shocked if any 380's with this engine are grounded regardless of company or safety record. The reason I see this going somewhat south f
251 Post contains links solnabo : Don´t know if this clip is in this thread, a swede filmed sitting near the wing and it looks scary... http://www.aftonbladet.se/
252 spacecadet : Despite what some people here are saying, not often. There are about as many uncontained engine failures in the air every year as there are major acc
253 Starlionblue : Jet fuel is actually notoriously hard to ignite. Regardless of Hollywood tropes, it takes way more than a spark to ignite it.
254 tom355uk : Actually, no it isn't. The industry, if they were measuring such a rate wouldn't use cycles, as it is even less accurate than the figures I posted. t
255 rquesty : Let me add one other thought - the very act of an object striking the wing, can cause hydrodynamic Ram in the fuel tanks(a shockwave in the fuel which
256 spartanmjf : In the end, for me there are three observations at this early stage. One - the engine failed in a catastrophic manner and the Airbus wing took the hit
257 Bralo20 : Yes, but since the fuel is heated before being used, the ignition is much easier. You can actually compare Jet-A1 with diesel fuel, you won't get it
258 Post contains links 747classic : How many In flight shut downs (IFSD's) happened on the A380 until now ? According following article (October 2009) this latest engine related mishap i
259 Starlionblue : Concorde is a bit of a special case. The locations of engines and tanks are completely different from a 380 with engines on forward-slung pylons. Sur
260 Post contains links and images keesje : It seems the major puncture occurred on one of the wing leading edge drooped nose devices, just in front of the fuel tanks. We can't see or say what r
261 readytotaxi : Rolls Royce share price has dropped 5% so far today.
262 tom355uk : Read the article fully. At that time, 14 out of the 20 in service were RR powered, and they were running at 99.8% operational reliability. Two of the
263 Post contains links huaiwei : So far the media reports says "delays" but not "grounded". http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...porelocalnews/view/1091408/1/.html Earlier reports
264 OyKIE : According to the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten, SQ has grounded all A380 operations as well. And they said something about LH might do the same. Any
265 kalvado : There are many ways to look at things; and I totally agree that comparing A380 with E145 is apples to oranges. It's hard to find a figure which would
266 Post contains links Moderators : As this thread has acumulated more than 200 replies, it will be locked. Please continue the discussion in PART 2: QF A380 SIN-SYD Engine Failure, PART
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