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User currently offlineSV777KiloAlpha From Saudi Arabia, joined Dec 2003, 267 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11945 times:

Saudi Arabian Airlines executive director, announced today that SV is in the final stages of joining one of the three airline alliances. This step will bring revenues in excess of $100 million per year to the airline.

Which alliance best fits SV?


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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 934 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11937 times:

I have heard that SKYTEAM leads their wishlist but have no facts to support this. I am not too sure what SV would bring to an alliance? Would it be the large domestic Saudi system plus Middle Eastern ports of call?


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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11864 times:

They have mentioned talks with alliances previously, but it's good to hear that it is progressing.

For me, star alliance would be the best fit. They have the best connectivity to Saudi, so more scope for cooperation.


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11766 times:

Star Alliance, no doubt. LH and MS have lots of flights to Saudi, so I could see SV fitting into this alliance.


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User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Quoting Eightball (Reply 3):
Star Alliance, no doubt. LH and MS have lots of flights to Saudi, so I could see SV fitting into this alliance.

   SV and ME are for Skyteam



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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11641 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 1):
I have heard that SKYTEAM leads their wishlist but have no facts to support this. I am not too sure what SV would bring to an alliance? Would it be the large domestic Saudi system plus Middle Eastern ports of call?
SV is strong in 2 markets which are very attractive to the global alliances: The middle east (particularly the GCC) and the indian subcontinent.
They would be a very attractive partner if it wasn't for their significant image problem.

[Edited 2010-11-04 08:09:34]

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11584 times:

SV has just signes a codeshare agreemnt with AF on RUH-CDG & JED-CDG.
They are negociating to join SkyTeam. It should be announced for January 2011.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5090 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

Would love to see them join OneWorld but Royal Jordanian is already a member perhaps Skyteam?

But anything can happen!



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User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

That SV is seeking an alliance an admission that it can't compete with the likes of EK, EY and QR? I know SV had some problems in the past, that it was less like an airline but as another fief of corruption. Does SV still honor the policy of offering free flights to the Saudi royal family?


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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
SV has just signed a codeshare agreement with AF on RUH-CDG & JED-CDG.
They are negociating to join SkyTeam. It should be announced for January 2011.

Thanks for the update FlySSC.
It seems like it will be Skyteam. It surprising though as there is little connectivity between them compared to Star. But maybe that's the point: compete with Star.


User currently offlineSV777KiloAlpha From Saudi Arabia, joined Dec 2003, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11244 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 9):

SV had never intended to compete against EK or QR or even EY. Those three live on transit traffic, and Saudi Arabia was never an attractive transit destination, except for Hajj and Umra traffic.

SV does not offer free flights to Royal Family. It manages the royal fleet only. The days of free flights are over a long time ago. as for your note on corruption, I don't think your statement is correct.



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User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

Thank you for the clarifications. SV may not be corrupt now, but it did have a reputation as one.

Nevertheless, I disagree with you that Saudi Arabia cannot be an attractive transit destination. In fact, it will enhance SV revenue by offering transit flights, in addition to Hajj and Umra flights, and large pool of foreign labor that travel to and from Saudi Arabia.

Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Reply 11):


SV had never intended to compete against EK or QR or even EY. Those three live on transit traffic, and Saudi Arabia was never an attractive transit destination, except for Hajj and Umra traffic.

SV does not offer free flights to Royal Family. It manages the royal fleet only. The days of free flights are over a long time ago. as for your note on corruption, I don't think your statement is correct.



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 12):
In fact, it will enhance SV revenue by offering transit flights, in addition to Hajj and Umra flights, and large pool of foreign labor that travel to and from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has a great location for transit passengers, but it requires a transit Visa for nationals of all but a handful of countries (Kuwait/Bahrain/Oman/UAE/Qatar). Saudia will be unable to compete on the same level as Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha or Bahrain until it does away with this requirement.

Also, the visa requirement prevents single female travelers from getting Visas - as of the last time I had checked, only married women or those travelling with family could apply for transit visas through Saudi Arabia.


User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10579 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 12):
Saudi Arabia has a great location for transit passengers, but it requires a transit Visa for nationals of all but a handful of countries (Kuwait/Bahrain/Oman/UAE/Qatar). Saudia will be unable to compete on the same level as Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha or Bahrain until it does away with this requirement.

If a non Muslim pax of SV transit through Saudi airports travelling between two places which are not part of Saudi Arabia, does he/she still requires a transit visa? E.g. Flying between LHR-MNL via RUH.


User currently offlineiluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

Transit visas are not required (for American citizens anyway) for transits less than 18 hours.

User currently offlineZeroNineLeft From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Would fit nicely into Star Alliance too...

And SkyTeam...


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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10176 times:

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 4):
SV and ME are for Skyteam

How come? Star Alliance is the larger alliance, so I think that it would be better for SV.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5154 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

Quoting Eightball (Reply 16):


Star Alliance is the larger alliance, so I think that it would be better for SV.

So by that reasoning, all non-allied airlines should head to Star? With MEA heading to ST and RJ already in OW SV may in fact see Star as the best fit, but I dont't think they'll opt for Star just because they're the biggest.



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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9728 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 17):
So by that reasoning, all non-allied airlines should head to Star? With MEA heading to ST and RJ already in OW SV may in fact see Star as the best fit, but I dont't think they'll opt for Star just because they're the biggest.

I meant that Star Alliance offers the largest number of destinations, which should be one of the deciding factors for SV in terms of choosing an alliance.

[Edited 2010-11-04 15:23:58]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15780 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

Quoting iluv747400 (Reply 14):
Transit visas are not required (for American citizens anyway) for transits less than 18 hours.

That is a good thing, though that has not seemed to hurt Aeroflot too much. That said, I have to imagine that plenty of western travelers would be wary of transiting Saudi Arabia.



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User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
That is a good thing, though that has not seemed to hurt Aeroflot too much. That said, I have to imagine that plenty of western travelers would be wary of transiting Saudi Arabia.

I presume the feeling would be mutual. Saudi Arabia didn't even issue tourist visas until recently. They are even wary of non-Saudi Muslims.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9285 times:

Quoting iluv747400 (Reply 14):
Transit visas are not required (for American citizens anyway) for transits less than 18 hours.

A quick sampling of random nationalities (France, UK, India, China, Gabon, Cambodia) suggests that that is the case for most nationalities.

However:

"- Admission and transit refused if not complying with the
Saudi Arabian requirements regarding general appearance
For details, click here:


(after clicking there)

- Admission and transit refused if not complying with the
Saudi Arabian requirements regarding general appearance and
behaviour such as:
- women exposing legs or arms, or wearing too thin or too
tight clothes;

- men wearing shorts exposing legs;
- men and women displaying affection in public in any manner."


Also:

"- It is strongly recommended not to hold passports containing
any Israeli visa or stamp when entering or transiting Saudi Arabia."

And:

"National Israel (IL) /Transit Saudi Arabia (SA)


Saudi Arabia (SA)


Admission and Transit Restrictions:

- The government of Saudi Arabia refuses admission and transit
to nationals of Israel."

Source: http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...formation/index.jsp?lang=en&loc=us



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9198 times:
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Quoting ZeroNineLeft (Reply 15):
Would fit nicely into Star Alliance too...

SV has served Washington-Dulles for as long as I can remember. It caught me off guard that they are not *already* a member of Star Alliance. Wikipedia assures me they have codeshares with only six airlines: AF-KL; Gulf; Ethiopian; Kuwait, Mahan, and SAA. However, South African and Ethiopian are Star Alliance members.

At IAD, SV and QR seem to be competing for the same marketshare.
That may have partially inspired the current effort.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Quoting Eightball (Reply 16):
How come? Star Alliance is the larger alliance, so I think that it would be better for SV.

To me it's not about size but connectivity. Star alliance have LH and TK operating daily+ into Saudi that can connect to Europe and beyond, MS for Africa, and SQ for APAC. That's why I said it's a better fit. And SV operates to a lot of their hubs (FRA, CAI, IST, SIN, LHR, IAD)

Skyteam have AF. ME has good service to Saudi but limited connections to anywhere that's not already well served by SV. CZ have started a 4w PEK-DXB-JED. That's it. SV only operates to CDG and BEY (and JFK). So not much connectivity eastbound, and ok but not great westbound.

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 13):

If a non Muslim pax of SV transit through Saudi airports travelling between two places which are not part of Saudi Arabia, does he/she still requires a transit visa? E.g. Flying between LHR-MNL via RUH.
Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 12):

Saudi Arabia has a great location for transit passengers, but it requires a transit Visa for nationals of all but a handful of countries (Kuwait/Bahrain/Oman/UAE/Qatar). Saudia will be unable to compete on the same level as Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha or Bahrain until it does away with this requirement.

Also, the visa requirement prevents single female travelers from getting Visas - as of the last time I had checked, only married women or those travelling with family could apply for transit visas through Saudi Arabia.

AFAIK you don't need a visa if you don't leave the sterile zone.

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 11):
Thank you for the clarifications. SV may not be corrupt now, but it did have a reputation as one.

Nevertheless, I disagree with you that Saudi Arabia cannot be an attractive transit destination. In fact, it will enhance SV revenue by offering transit flights, in addition to Hajj and Umra flights, and large pool of foreign labor that travel to and from Saudi Arabia.

What he meant is that SV doesn't have the pretention of being a global transit carrier like EK. They know their core market is Saudi O&D and that's fine. They don't have to copy EK. Unfortunately many in Saudi don't understand this, but I digress.

Yes, the previous management sent the airline to it's knees. But the current management is slowly turning things round (although they made some mistakes along the way) and the airline is well into it's restructuring and privatisation. Things are picking up with the new fleet rolling in and should improve further once the new terminal in Jeddah is finally opened.

SV at the moment does very little transfer. This is something they can definitely work on by leveraging their O&D network, allowing them to increase frequencies.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7590 times:

i think it could go either way... they codeshare with all 3 alliance' JL (OneWorld) BD (StarAlliance) and AF (SKYTEAM) and having said that i'll place a bet that it wont be OneWorld  


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25 KFlyer : I doubt Star will be attracted to SV. On any case, the connectivity to Saudi by the alliance doesn't matter much, if the new carrier has good connecti
26 SV777 : Are they looking for a suitable alliance or begging for some one to accept them?
27 AirGabon : And SV is moving from CDG Terminal 1 to CDG Terminal 2C, Terminal 2 is the AF hub (2C, 2F, 2E and at a lesser extent the old ugly 2D). So maybe a sign
28 Qazar : I doubt Star Alliance will be it.... Star Alliance has a different style... They usually start off by having members sign a bunch of LOIs and codeshar
29 kgaiflyer : Yes, but you are saying "it matters" and "it doesn't matter" at the same time. If it matters, then *any* alliance is prefereable to *no* alliance.
30 AsoRock : That's ridiculous. Saudi Airlines cannot offer any attractive incentive for global business travelers as they consistently chose other airlines with b
31 Qazar : So how would Midlle Eastern, North African and Gulf carriers align to alliances? We already know Egyptair is *A, MEA with SkyTeam, and Royal Jordanian
32 kgaiflyer : This is simply wild speculation. I was doing research to help one of my students find a ticket with a good price and easy connections home to DLA beg
33 lightsaber : In order to become long term profitable, SV will have to join one alliance. I have enjoyed reading this thread to see which they might join. To me, ei
34 HiJazzey : I don't disagree with you. SV need to develop some connecting traffic in their network. But what I was trying to say in my earlier post is that they
35 L410Turbolet : Is it really such a win-win for SkyTeam to adding to the alliance an airline with subpar product and on top of that from a country which so ostentati
36 MaverickM11 : What alliance would want SV? They offer little connectivity and their home country is fairly anti-visitor. SV has some of the ingredients to be a dece
37 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : Interesting is that they all except ELAL are members of the AACO www.aaco.org/airlines.asp which of course is NOT an alliance but an organisation and
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