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QR To Likely To Expand To Surabaya  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

http://www.eturbonews.com/19392/qata...-and-hanoi-today-surabaya-tomorrow

At the launch of HKT and HAN, QR CEO has indicated that SUB is next on their list in Asia. Also Cambodia is a potential QR destination.


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Also Cambodia is a potential QR destination.

AF has also announced plans to fly to Phnom Penh. Should be interesting to see how both fare; presumably QR will be operating via another station, if it decides to go ahead.

Do you know if recently rumoured further delays to the 787 will affect QR; will it be receiving any 787s in 2011?


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
presumably QR will be operating via another station, if it decides to go ahead.

Via BKK I suppose and make SGN daily non stop.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Do you know if recently rumoured further delays to the 787 will affect QR; will it be receiving any 787s in 2011

So far nothing is out in the press, but if another delay of B787 occurs .. there could be some major decisions taken.



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
At the launch of HKT and HAN, QR CEO has indicated that SUB is next on their list in Asia. Also Cambodia is a potential QR destination.

I bugs me that all new destinations are served via 1-stop, especially Pucket. There is a long detour via KL rather than go direct. It is much faster going via BKK and changing planes than flying direct.

I wish QR gets all their remianing 777s delievered next year so that they can use the A330's to other routes.



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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

This would make perfect sense. It has the same demographics as Cebu does, probably, being a source of labour traffic into the Gulf area.
Also, SUB is Indonesia's second largest city and could do with a proper, direct long haul link westward. Currently there are no long haul flights through SUB (flights to HKG currently being the longest?)
Why no one has resumed flights to PER is another question, there is a market there to be had (even for the low costs), but that's another topic.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 4):
there is a market there to be had (even for the low costs)

What do you mean, "even for the low costs"? I would argue that such anticipated traffic on SUB-PER would be particularly suited to LCCs, with low fares that stimulates demand.

[Edited 2010-11-05 03:02:48]


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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Quoting Pe@rson
What do you mean, "even for the low costs"? I would argue that such anticipated traffic on SUB-PER would be particularly suited to LCCs, with low fares that stimulates demand.

I meant that ever since GA abandoned the route, none of the newer airlines flying DPS-PER (who are low costs) have shown interest for whatever reason. I am kind of baffled, because back in the 90s Garuda had a service (albeit a weekly one-stop same plane service), the sister city relationshp between PER and SUB was promoted big time with business links and tourist potential.
There is a large Asian student population in Perth and I thought perhaps Air Asia (or Batavia or Lion Air, if/when they launch PER flights) would want to capture some of this, plus the VFR market on the back of this.
All airlines seems to be keen on adding DPS-PER flights when potential markets can be captured elsewhere.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

From Australia, SUB really is not a tourist destination, unlike DPS. Business links would also not be that strong, unlike Jakarta, which has a mix of traffic.

I would love to see SUB get service, but there would need to be some extra incentive for tourists to choose SUB over DPS, or other other destinations.

As for QR's ambitions, I still think the SUB route would be hard work, and would have to be max 3 weekly via another Asian destination to work initially. Good thinking though by QR to chase new markets.

[Edited 2010-11-05 04:07:38]

User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1644 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 7):

As for QR's ambitions, I still think the SUB route would be hard work, and would have to be max 3 weekly via another Asian destination to work initially. Good thinking though by QR to chase new markets.

Yeah I have to say QR's route planning department is definitely thinking out of the box and looking into secondary destinations rather than going head to head on trunk routes. This might pay off in the long run as these markets develop and their passenger base grows while QR preemptively creates a strong foothold and grab market share as a starter's advantage.



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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2500 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

It will not surprise me if QR eventually goes nonstop to DPS and serves SUB via SIN.


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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 4):
It has the same demographics as Cebu does, probably, being a source of labour traffic into the Gulf area.

CEB obviously attracts some tourist traffic (Cebu/Mactan, Bohol, Tagbilaran) while there is none to SUB.



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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 4):
Also, SUB is Indonesia's second largest city and could do with a proper, direct long haul link westward. Currently there are no long haul flights through SUB (flights to HKG currently being the longest?)

Not sure if it still exists, but at one point BR had a 2 weekly 332 service to TPE. China Airlines were going to launch a service to TPE via SIN with a 333, again I'm not sure if that is still running.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 3):
It is much faster going via BKK and changing planes than flying direct.

Logically yes, but in practice I don't think AOT will grant any tag-on flights by foreign airlines to domestic routes within Thailand.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 4):
Why no one has resumed flights to PER is another question, there is a market there to be had (even for the low costs)

In QR's case, the airline has code shared with MH to PER.


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

This is going off topic but then...

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 4):
Why no one has resumed flights to PER is another question, there is a market there to be had (even for the low costs), but that's another topic.

Simple... the market is not (yet) there.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 6):
I meant that ever since GA abandoned the route, none of the newer airlines flying DPS-PER (who are low costs) have shown interest for whatever reason. I am kind of baffled, because back in the 90s Garuda had a service (albeit a weekly one-stop same plane service), the sister city relationshp between PER and SUB was promoted big time with business links and tourist potential.
There is a large Asian student population in Perth and I thought perhaps Air Asia (or Batavia or Lion Air, if/when they launch PER flights) would want to capture some of this, plus the VFR market on the back of this.
All airlines seems to be keen on adding DPS-PER flights when potential markets can be captured elsewhere.

None of the newer airlines flying DPS-PER? Well... Indonesia Air Asia (QZ) is... At least 2x daily. And it is the only airline with SUB-PER planned as it expands its SUB base... but it doesn't like to grow too quickly and loose its focus.
Lion wants to fly to Perth... but has repeatedly failed the operational safety audit done by CASA.

2/3 of the passenger mix on QZ's DPS-PER is Australian origin. The 1/3 is from Jakarta... not even DPS. Lion Air keeps talking about SUB-HKG because they have the 737-900ERs but has so far not started it... well... one reason is that their -900ER has a low certified MTOW and therefore can barely reach HKG... two because it has so far failed in most of its international efforts. The CGKJED flights are losing money left right and center. KUL has been terminated and SIN has 7 scheduled but only 4 flying (includes the CGKSINSGN... which is being hit with QZ's CGKSGN).

If you're talking about student population... relying on that market just doesn't work! Besides most of the students in Australia from Surabaya are on the east coast. PER's Indonesian students are predominantly Jakartans (SYD however is mainly Surabayans or equal to Jakartans).

Back to QR's SUB... QR's loads are losing on the CGK-DOH. EY's CGK-AUH relies on low prices... QR has been carrying a lot of Middle Eastern and European tourists to DPS... and SUB has been dying for a long-haul or an effective connection to long-haul since SQ started using MI's planes to fly to SUB (albeit not 100%) and Garuda's pull out of Europe in 2003. So... SUB could be something that might be it's hidden little treasure in Indonesia.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

QR's plans call for a thrice weekly SUB service via KUL. At the same time KUL service would increase from the current 11 weekly to twice daily. As for SUB, the market for a service to the Middle East is likely there, but the yields are probably not much to talk about. If anyone could do it, it is likely an airline like QR though.

User currently offlinegffgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

The only logic I can see is that SUB could capture quite a lot of the 'slaveship' traffic of domestic workers and labour to the Gulf - but as those wiser than me have already stated pickings would be very thin as I can't see any demand at all beyond Y class (apart from a bit of local trade between SUB and KUL). There must be some profit in the slaveship business as there are an immense number of seats each day between CGK and the mid east. Anyone know how the loads are doing for the big players like EK, QR and EY?

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

MAHB's generous incentive at KUL is paying off. More tag-on flights are being offered from the airport. In 2010, EK started KUL-MEL as an extension from 1 of the 3 daily flights from DXB, RJ does KUL-BKK as an extension of their AMM-BKK flight, QR just started KUL-HKT as an extension from DOH and soon this SUB tag-on also by QR.

User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 16):
More tag-on flights are being offered from the airport.

Will people be able to buy tickets on these flights from KUL?



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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

At the moment all tag-on flights from KUL carry 5th freedom rights with them and tickets can be purchased from the airlines' website or appointed travel agent in Kuala Lumpur. The following is the current tag-on flights from the airport:

KLIA (KUL)

1. Air Zimbabwe | KUL-PEK-KUL | 1 weekly | B762ER
2. Emirates | KUL-MEL-KUL | Daily | B77W
3. KLM | KUL-CGK-KUL | Daily | B77W/B772ER
4. Kuwait Airways | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified | A343
5. Lufthansa | KUL-BKK-KUL | 4 weekly | B744
6. Qatar Airways | KUL-HKT-KUL | 6 weekly | A332/A333
7. Qatar Airways | KUL-SUB-KUL | 3 weekly | A332/A333 *To be announced
8. Royal Jordanian | KUL-BKK-KUL | 3 weekly | A332
9. Yemenia | KUL-DXB-KUL | Unspecified | A332
10. Yemenia | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified *Status unconfirmed
11. Saudi Arabian | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified *Status unconfirmed

[Edited 2010-11-07 10:14:52]

User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 18):
The following is the current tag-on flights from the airport:

Are you definite that there are only 8 tag-on flights currently? That is not alot compared to its primary competitors (BKK, SIN).



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 19):
Are you definite that there are only 8 tag-on flights currently? That is not alot compared to its primary competitors (BKK, SIN).

above is accurate.
Can also include some triangulations?

CX - penang
PX - Singapore?
JAL - Singapore
UL - Singapore


User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
PX - Singapore?
JAL - Singapore

I doubt both qualify or exists? You cannot buy a ticket on this sector on JL's flight, for example,



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

9MMAR, 6thfreedom Does UL have 5th freedom on KUL-SIN ? There was some talk of offering this sector for sale, sometime ago. They currently op 7wkly KUL-SIN and 4wkly SIN-KUL.


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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
JAL - Singapore

This JL tag-on, which originated from KIX via SIN, was terminated on 17 January 2010. Now all JL flights to KUL are terminator from NRT.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
PX - Singapore?
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 22):
9MMAR, 6thfreedom Does UL have 5th freedom on KUL-SIN ? There was some talk of offering this sector for sale, sometime ago. They currently op 7wkly KUL-SIN and 4wkly SIN-KUL.

No. At the moment, UL, Air Mauritius and Air Niugini do not have traffic rights for their KUL-SIN legs.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
CX - penang

The KUL-PEN tag on by CX does not carry traffic rights.


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