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Alitalia And Its Regional Jet Order  
User currently offlineCRJ900X From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Does anyone have knowledge when Alitalia will choose its new regional jet?

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...alitalia-regional-jet-pitches.html

According to the article, an order was supposed to be made within a few weeks, is this still the case or has the decision been pushed to the new year?

I would think that the CRJ900 Next Gen would be the front runner, because if Alitalia is looking for 20 aircraft and if they picked Bombardier, they would only need to order 10 and they have experience with the type.

I do realize that Alitalia is also very familiar with Embraer due to its ERJ-170, but maybe in this competition the CRJ900 NG has the upper hand.

Also, I thought I read somewhere that Alitalia wanted deliveries by June 2011, and I would think that the Embraer and Sukhoi backlogs would be such that they would not be able to start deliveries so quickly.

Any insights or thoughts?

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2853 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Didn't Alitalia order one of the Russian regional jets?


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
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Quoting CRJ900X (Thread starter):
I would think that the CRJ900 Next Gen would be the front runner, because if Alitalia is looking for 20 aircraft and if they picked Bombardier, they would only need to order 10 and they have experience with the type.

The article says they want to replace 10 x CRJ900 and six E170, so they would want 20 new aircraft.

Those CR9 and E70 must be less than 6 years old, so whoever wins the order may have to take them in return for selling 20 new aircraft. The E70 seems to have fallen out of favour with many airlines lately as they appear to be too small with only 70-78 seats.

The CR9 might fare better if BBD can refurbish the cabins with the new overhead bins and side panels, and LED-lighting so that it looks and feels more like an NG...? If so, they may only need 10 more, as you say  

Are 90 seats enough for Alitalia Express routes, so that the CRJ900NG has a chance or are the CRJ1000, E190 and SJ100 the real contenders?



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
The E70 seems to have fallen out of favour with many airlines lately as they appear to be too small with only 70-78 seats.

The E170/175 also have a much smaller wing than the E190/195 and therefore engine-out margins are much less. AC for example do not operate their E175s over the Rockies, but the E190s are OK.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
The CR9 might fare better if BBD can refurbish the cabins with the new overhead bins and side panels, and LED-lighting so that it looks and feels more like an NG...?

I believe the NextGen option addresses much of this.



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 3):
The E170/175 also have a much smaller wing than the E190/195 and therefore engine-out margins are much less. AC for example do not operate their E175s over the Rockies, but the E190s are OK.

I'm sorry I don't understand the "engine-out margins" and why would they not fly them over the mountains?



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3209 times:
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The E90/95 would also allow AZ to fly some longer thin routes that are not possible with the CR9 or E70s. It also allows them to adjust capacity from the smaller E90/95s up to the A321s.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 3):
The E170/175 also have a much smaller wing than the E190/195 and therefore engine-out margins are much less. AC for example do not operate their E175s over the Rockies, but the E190s are OK.

I'm sorry I don't understand the "engine-out margins" and why would they not fly them over the mountains?

Apologies. Operating on a single engine means a lower speed. With the smaller wing on the E170/175, less lift is generated, meaning a reduced max ceiling. Therefore the ability to safely cross a mountainous area with sufficient glide range to an airport is restricted. Lower mountains like the Juras, probably OK, but the Alps, probably not.



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2938 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Those CR9 and E70 must be less than 6 years old, so whoever wins the order may have to take them in return for selling 20 new aircraft.

Indeed, these are still very young aircraft. The CR9s are Air One Express aircraft, and delivered between May 2006 and May 2007. De E170s are delivered between March 2004 and July 2004.

All aircraft (the CR9s and E170s) are leased, maybe these were just short-term lease contracts that will expire soon?

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 6):
Therefore the ability to safely cross a mountainous area with sufficient glide range to an airport is restricted. Lower mountains like the Juras, probably OK, but the Alps, probably not.

I'd be surprised if that would be a problem, considering that Alitalia is operating the E170s on routes to Germany, like LIN-FRA, thereby crossing the Alps.


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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2915 times:

I am predicting a bit of a surprise here...

I would place a bet on 10 CRJ900NG, 10 CRJ1000 + 5 options each...

SSJ is out.
E170/175 has higher operating costs
E190/195 is heavier/too large


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1368 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

I have read on an italian aviation forum an interview to an AZ top manager concerning the Regional jet order.
They state that they need a 100 seater and will use the AF/KL expertise in the decision making.
They are considering the Embraer 190-195, BBD CRJ900NG/1000NG and Sukhoi SSJ95, although they mention other players (Mitsubisch MRJ among others) but dismissing them on the base of availability in the stated time frame.
A decision is expected for November.
In my opinion the E190 is the front runner, because of its very good performances and because the decision might/will be influenced by AFKL
However, political pressures might force AZ into buying the SSJ, which has a high percentage of Italian interest (Alenia Aeronautica) and might be seen as a sign of italian-russian friendship (Putin and Berlusconi being "close friends").
The declaration some months ago that AZ has placed orders for 20 SSJ was later corrected as a "PR mistake" from Superjet International.

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Stefano


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