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Australian Aviation Thread #42  
User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 928 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 24305 times:

A summary of discussions in Thread #41.

QF Group matters:

- City Flyer expansion
- crew scheduling
- 744's doing domestic flying
- 90th celebrations with the 787??
- codeshare with KQ
- dropping SFO in favour of DFW??
- 763 utilisation
- service quality PER - NRT
- new television commercial
- JQ international expansion
- JQ utilisation at AVV

Other points of discussion:

- effect of OneWorld services in the South West Pacific re AA-BA-IB and UA-CO "agreements"
- DJ possible new deliveries in a hybrid livery
- TT fleet increase
- STRATEGIC fleet utilisation
- PAL and BI services to OZ
- Slots at HND
- Q400 vs jets
- CI TPE - BNE extending to AKL

To kick off discussion in this thread, the mag Australian Aviation Nov 2010 issue has a very detailed spread to celebrate QF's 90th birthday. Worth a read, and has some very good photo's including one from the cockpit "on approach turning final for runway 05 at Queenstown New Zealand over Lake Wakatipu". Enjoy.


remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 24319 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
To kick off discussion in this thread, the mag Australian Aviation Nov 2010 issue has a very detailed spread to celebrate QF's 90th birthday. Worth a read, and has some very good photo's including one from the cockpit "on approach turning final for runway 05 at Queenstown New Zealand over Lake Wakatipu". Enjoy.

I was going to buy it, but got Airports and AirlinerWorld instead 

Certainly not good news about yesterday incident so close to its birthday celebrations. Will likely be abit of let down.

Is there any news on the 787 that is likely visiting Australia later in the month? Any confirmation on the cities it will visit and general timefraes that it will be here?


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 24246 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 1):
Is there any news on the 787 that is likely visiting Australia later in the month? Any confirmation on the cities it will visit and general timefraes that it will be here

Still only a rumour hence the ??? in the summation of post 1.



remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24168 times:

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/t...ngers/story-e6frfq80-1225948154994

So i found this article quiet a laugh...
Tony Davis.... i dont think there is an award for Highest Revenue Making Low Cost Carrier in the World. Maybe you should focus on customer satisfaction and looking at your OTP ... just a thought really  

Its going to end up woorking out cheaper to fly QF.... look at BA and how it put its self up against the likes of FR and U2 on the same route they all fly out of.. with all the fee's and charges that the LCC's charge it ends up cheaper to fly BA..

"What we're trying to do is say, 'Look, we'll go halves with you. If you want to fly Sydney-Melbourne for $28 then you've got to help me reduce my costs','' - Tigers new slogan  

SQ have also gone double daily with A380 on SQ231/222 replacing the B777-300ER

JQ have re-enstated MEL-BNK JQ464/465 operating Tu,Th,Sa by a A320

JL is also codesharing on QF51/52 BNE-SIN-BNE so that JL can keep BNE on its route map  

I think thats all i have  



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24090 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 3):
JL is also codesharing on QF51/52 BNE-SIN-BNE so that JL can keep BNE on its route map

I read the other day that JL are also codesharing on CX into CNS and BNE. They covering all bases, except non-stop  


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24067 times:

My have announced they are going daily to both MEL and SYD. MEL will operate with an A343 and SYD with an A333. With all this increase in services from chinese airline, I do hope QF try to respond once things get back to normal!

User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24053 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 5):

Do you mean MU ?



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User currently offlinebrad330 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24004 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
JL are also codesharing on CX into CNS

JL already codeshare with JQ CNS-NRT 7w, CNS-KIX 4w. why do they need to codeshare with CX HKG-CNS 7w?


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 23963 times:

Quoting brad330 (Reply 7):

Because JQ isnt a OneWorld or OneWorld affiliate.... and im sure that the premium pax would be more beneficial  



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User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 23740 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 3):
So i found this article quiet a laugh...
Tony Davis.... i dont think there is an award for Highest Revenue Making Low Cost Carrier in the World. Maybe you should focus on customer satisfaction and looking at your OTP ... just a thought really

Its called making profit, they have shareholders. Tiger makes more profit per seat than any other carrier, even Ryanair. Hard to believe, but they have a $60m profit forecast for this fiscal year, bloody good for 20 aircraft.

Give Tiger another 3 months and they will have #1 OTP back to themselves   2 TT Hyrbids due next year too..


User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 23526 times:

Interesting to note with the QF A380 groundings and return to air of QF 744 in SIN, tommorow mornings (07/11) QF10 SIN/MEL will be operated by an A333 - VH-QPE.

SOURCE : MEL A/PORT STAFF FIDS.......


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 721 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23316 times:

New 332s for Qantas Domestic

EBO and EBP will be delivered to Qantas in a domestic configuration. This configuration will be different to EBM/N. Config is 42J/268Y.

Economy seats will be the same. Doors 3 will have the same toilet config as the international 332s (so no crossover for cabin crew and pax - urghh). Somehow there will be three more Economy seats.

Business has a slightly different seat, an increased seat count and 2-3-2 config once again. I don't know how 42 seats is going to be squeezed into this zone but that's the latest info from the company.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23193 times:

(Quote: Tiger has already developed a reputation for hitting people with additional charges in areas such as airport check in, baggage, ticket flexibility and priority seating. Even using a credit card to book attracts a so-called "convenience fee''.)

Why is he surprised about the "convenience fee"? Qantas introduced that ages ago. You can avoid check in fees by doing web check in, and the other fees are not unique to Tiger. Some airlines have more fees than Tiger (try Allegiant) but they still work out cheaper than other airlines on similar routes.

Ticket flexibility? It could happen? There are people who wish Tiger would just go away. Tiger just might grow so that they are offering hourly departures on SYD-MEL and SYD-BNE. Even on a single class aircraft they could offer fares suitable for business travellers who might want to change flights on the day. If they develop a Tiger Airways app people will be able to do the change themselves. They still want to keep it simple, but the Cost Conscious Business Traveller is out there, and once the CCBT can be sure that the airline can be relied on for a simple day return trip on SYD-MEL, at a reasonable fare the airline will start to get that business.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22570 times:

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 11):

i had heard this... The new J Class config on our existing A332's is alread very very restrictive.. seat uncomfortable ect...and now... 2-3-2... so basically its JQ StarClass... when i am going somewhere i now make sure i am not on the A332's (SkyBed ofcourse is an exception) i would much rather take a flight on a 763 or 738... id rather comfort over entertainment.

Also yesterday morning (9/11/2010) there was an EK A380 in BNE

Boarding a flight in CBR on sunday and saw that ET are now codesharing on CBR-SYD flights.

SQ have 2 A380's grounded in Australia, one in MEL and the other in SYD until further notice.



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User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22549 times:

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 11):
Business has a slightly different seat, an increased seat count and 2-3-2 config once again. I don't know how 42 seats is going to be squeezed into this zone but that's the latest info from the company.

How would this compare to the EK A330's that DJ are going to recieve. If the seats stay the same as they are on EK, will DJ have an advantage over the new QF seats in regards to pitch etc...?



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22393 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 13):
saw that ET are now codesharing on CBR-SYD flights.

Wow, thats interesting, I am assuming these are QF flights?


User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22371 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 13):
SQ have 2 A380's grounded in Australia, one in MEL and the other in SYD until further notice.

Both of these aircraft ferried back to SIN this afternoon as the scheduled flights, with just crew onboard.

RL


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22110 times:

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 11):

Economy seats will be the same. Doors 3 will have the same toilet config as the international 332s (so no crossover for cabin crew and pax - urghh). Somehow there will be three more Economy seats.

You just answered that with your own statement....
by moving all the rows in the aft zone forward slightly an extra row of 3 can be added at the rear of the aircraft.



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21984 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 15):

Yes, QF metal indeed  



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 21934 times:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/pa...bourne-airport-20101111-17obs.html

Passenger numbers hit record for Melbourne Airport
November 11, 2010 - 10:51AM

Melbourne Airport has welcomed a record number of passengers to its terminals, with more than 27 million travellers passing through in the year to October.

With 27.18 million arrivals and departures in the 12 months to October 2010, the result is being attributed to traffic from Asia and traditional markets including New Zealand, the United Kingdom and United States, combined with a strong Aussie dollar.

Malaysian passport holders were up 42.7 per cent, Thailand up 41.9 per cent, Taiwan up 27.3 per cent, India up 14.6 per cent and China up 14.5 per cent.
Advertisement: Story continues below

International travel by Australian passport holders continued to increase, up by 16 per cent from October 2009, as Australians continued to take advantage of low fares, a strong dollar and solid economic conditions.

Last month was the airport's best ever result for October with 2.5 million passengers arriving and departing from Tullamarine.

International passengers increased by 14.3 per cent since October 2009 to reach 532,046 passengers while domestic numbers rose by 9.6 per cent to reach 1.96 million passengers.

AAP


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21839 times:

Did see this already posted: http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...1/11/china-airport-sunshine-coast/

Seems they want a new runway at MCY to allow it to go international. I don't see the point.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 21749 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 20):
Did see this already posted: http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...1/11/china-airport-sunshine-coast/

Seems they want a new runway at MCY to allow it to go international. I don't see the point.

I also do not see the point. BNE is nearby, and has enough growth potential to not really need to go down that track. Truth be told that many more International visitors use BNE as the gateway, rather than the destination in itself. Tourists tend to head down to the GC or up to the MCY area, but it is a good hub for the SE Qld area as a whole. OOL is already there to handle some of that demand, so another airport will further eat into BNE as a hub.

In Melbourne, the AVV international situation is similar, in that it will just eat into growth at the main international airport (MEL). It is unlikely to generate a significant new market in itself. All it will do is displace traffic to another location.


User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 21466 times:

Tiger have re-gigged their entire network after 7th Febuary. A few cuts yet plenty of new additions.

AVV-ROK/MKY/ASP moving back to Tullamarine.
AVV-PER now redeye instead of 6am service
AVV-OOL down to one daily, might see JQ launch on the route now.
AVV-SYD up to twice daily, new 6am service head on with JQ. Both flights will operate Virtual hub sectors.
MEL-CNS no longer a red-eye, late evening service.
SYD-BNE extra service now 3 Daily.
MEL-CBR extra service up to 2 daily (Mon/Fri), as well as the AVV-CBR so offering 3 Daily flights some days from the Melbourne area. That will hit DJ hard.

BNE-ROK gone.
MEL-DRW will not operate between 7th Feb-end March. Continues after March 27.

Sydney movements are up to 13 a day, which is the most capacity they have operated since the 9 Daily MEL-SYD days. Big drop in OOL movements, 1 AVV, 2 MEL and 1 SYD.

[Edited 2010-11-11 12:56:29]

[Edited 2010-11-11 13:46:19]

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 21329 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 6):
Do you mean MU ?

Ahah yeah I did, I posted it from my phone, bloody auto correct!

VN are adding additional services over Christmas and new years: Both SGN- MEL and SYD will go to six weekly. MEL will continue with the A332 and SYD with the 777.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 21273 times:

Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 22):
Tiger have re-gigged their entire network after 7th Febuary. A few cuts yet plenty of new additions.

AVV-ROK/MKY/ASP moving back to Tullamarine.
AVV-PER now redeye instead of 6am service
AVV-OOL down to one daily, might see JQ launch on the route now.
AVV-SYD up to twice daily, new 6am service head on with JQ. Both flights will operate Virtual hub sectors.
MEL-CNS no longer a red-eye, late evening service.
SYD-BNE extra service now 3 Daily.
MEL-CBR extra service up to 2 daily (Mon/Fri), as well as the AVV-CBR so offering 3 Daily flights some days from the Melbourne area. That will hit DJ hard.

BNE-ROK gone.
MEL-DRW will not operate between 7th Feb-end March. Continues after March 27.

Sydney movements are up to 13 a day, which is the most capacity they have operated since the 9 Daily MEL-SYD days. Big drop in OOL movements, 1 AVV, 2 MEL and 1 SYD.

Thanks for all that info.

Interesting that ROK/MKY/ASP are moving back to MEL. They had no direct competition on the AVV sectors to those locations, whereas ASP does at MEL.

I was expecting DRW to move to AVV, but after the ASP move, not so sure.

OOL has really seen no growth since the start of ops by TT, other than the addition of the SYD flight. MEL/AVV really are still at that 3 daily level it has always operated around. Its not unusual though as JQ and DJ are both very strong players on OOL sectors.

What will be the new daily flight ops by base/airport for MEL, AVV, SYD, ADL and BNE?


25 Boof : Just a quick question: What exactly is meant by "Virtual Hub" sectors? Thanks to anyone who can help me out. Cheers, Boof
26 IndianicWorld : Its not a base, as no planes are based there, but it will operate flights point to point from there, using planes from another location. The plane wi
27 Boof : Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking it was something along those lines but wanted to be sure. Cheers, Boof
28 JQflightie : Channel 7 News have just reported that a QF B767GE had engine troubles and returned to PER . Landed safe.
29 SpinalTap : I saw a Lufthansa B744 at the international terminal at PER this morning does anyone know what it was doing there, presumably a charter?
30 TruemanQLD : Although I understand TT brings lower fares, the OOL market it already saturated and with ridiculously low fares, so removing a competitor from the a
31 Post contains links eta unknown : Berlin Symphony Australian tour http://www.ota-berlin.de/blog/berlin...-to-visit-australia-november-2010/
32 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I wouldn't be surprised if this was 5 daily by the end of 2011, at the latest. WOW! Where is all that demand coming from??? To be fair, when I was at
33 747m8te : Right on!...i've stopped watching the news this week because its just making me angry... ...no direct competition...well there is a good reason for t
34 Post contains images JQflightie : i agree tuesday thursday sundays there are 6 flights admittedly done by QLink on a Q400 but still 6 a day and i agree.... although MEL and AVV are tw
35 Airbusa322 : I dont know why people always whine on about Avalon. Parking is 30% cheaper than Tulla, shuttle bus is the no more than what Skybus charges, and Budg
36 Post contains images JQflightie : Im still not convinced i much just prefer MEL and thats just my personal opinion
37 thegeek : It's still 20 minutes longer to drive to AVV than MEL from the CBD. And that ignores the advantage of MEL for people north of the CBD.
38 tayser : ~2.5 million people from East of the CBD live closer to MEL as well.
39 IndianicWorld : AVV is best suited to Geelong and the Outer West, but it does still have some attraction to central Melb and the inner west. Its all about choice and
40 ThunderB : As a local I prefer MEL for many reasons, the best is that it is much closer to home than AVV. The ease of public tranport and limited chance of delay
41 747m8te : ...and not to mention the people who fly in from other ports to pick up another flight from MEL...not fun to transfer between airports!
42 TruemanQLD : Straight to daily must mean JQ have a lot of confidence in the service - hope it is successful
43 IndianicWorld : I cant see OOL-HBA working, especialy Daily. The yield to fill those seats would be low, and thats a lot of seats to fill. They have a hard enough tim
44 thegeek : I agree. If BNE-HBA couldn't work at 3pw*, then why this? * Yes, I know the flights were timed poorly, especially BNE bound. How's DJ do on its daily
45 Boof : I have a few times suggested this route in this forum so I'm not surprised that it has been launched actually although I did think that TT would star
46 Post contains images TN486 : The flight routing OOL - HBA (and OOL - LST) has been done in the past, on a seasonal basis (normally days 5, 6, and 7) right back to the TN/AN days.
47 Post contains images TN486 : Hey Boof, I did not see your post prior to mine (must have crossed "in the mail"), so the TT link may not be so after all !! well, whatdayaknow!! I k
48 747m8te : And they worked well on a seasonal basis to both HBA and LST, but that wasn't daily...or with 177 seat A320s... Does anyone know if this is meant to
49 Boof : The idea of a Trans-Tasman service has been on the radar down this way for at least 5 years with both the Government and the HBA management sprouting
50 IndianicWorld : All I can say is that I expect this to be a fairly short lived flight, especially at Daily frequency. It might work at 3 weekly year round at best, b
51 thegeek : Thanks for those updates. Must have missed the announcements. However, if BNE-HBA for DJ has been downgraded to an E190, and also no more ADL-HBA, I
52 TN486 : When I said triangular, I should have said "both ways" i.e NZ - OOL - HBT - NZ and vice versa. Could be sold as package LCC style, with OOL and HBT as
53 ditzyboy : Actually, the route lasted only one season and it was operated by a Sydney based crew SYD-OOL-HBA-OOL (overnight) OOL-SYD.... The aircraft was double
54 DJMEL : Virgin Australia Grabs the rights to carry AFL teams, officials and supporters in a three year deal worth $8 million dollars, ending 9 years with QF a
55 QFA787380 : Borghetti has signalled in this month's Australian Aviation that the Group plans significant Asian expansion, including Singapore, Hong Kong, India, J
56 tayser : or the 330 which can be procured a lot quicker than 787/350s.
57 Post contains links and images NZ107 : I arrived in LAX this afternoon and it seriously looked like I had just landed in Sydney! 3x A380s, 3-4x 744s and an A332 all parked in one spot. Here
58 pugsley : I visited Canberra this morning. And found out that since Sunday QF have been operating from the new terminal. While I only had 30min on the ground i
59 pugsley : I also just noticed that Darwin is again appearing on the drop down list of destinations on the airasia website. And the destination option available
60 Post contains links and images PITrules : Any Sydneysiders know what is going on with the horses in the water? Some kind on security sweep?
61 Post contains links and images tayser : never seen horses being riden through water before? lol I dare say they're race horses doing exercises
62 Post contains links Boof : I had to do a little more research about this OOL-HBA thing before I got back to the forum... Based on your theory here what makes NTL so special as i
63 Post contains links gardermoen : Good news from Strategic. From February twice weeky Melbourne-Phuket and Brisbane-Phuket A330 services. Sort of made sense that they would pick up V A
64 Boof : I wondered who would have a crack at these routes. The product on the A332 actually looks ok. Good luck to them, although aren't they having a bit of
65 Post contains images Airvan00 : You are correct. The racehorse industry has been excerscising horses there for last 40 years. The beach there is very quiet, it is almost a secret ar
66 thegeek : That's actually the one thing I don't mind as much. Try parking in the CBD for 4 days and see how much they charge. At least for SYD, the airport has
67 YVR1968 : I agree. If I am travelling by myself to SYD I will actually take the train but if there are 2 or more of us, just as easy to cab it for less $$$. Th
68 RyanairGuru : You beat me to it! I was also there yesterday, and because I missed my flight (booked taxi didn't turn up) I spent several hours there waiting for th
69 thegeek : You've never had to wait a long time for a cab at SYD? That's unusual. Also, traffic getting in to SYD can be pretty terrible. Usually not too bad ge
70 ZuluAlpha : There has been some heated debate here in BNE regarding the Airtrain service. Recently the Airtrain Corp, announced that they are finally making a pr
71 Post contains images ClassicLover : My Dad is a horse trainer in Sydney and the old "horse beach" was actually where the Third Runway is now I went there many times as a kid when the ho
72 trent1000 : A question I've always wondered about: Does CNS (to the south) have the steepest take off climb in Aus?? What is the take off angle? Are there any oth
73 vhqpa : Well the rolling stock does belong to QR why should they charter out their trains for free when they can be used elsewhere in the network? Anyway the
74 Post contains links ditzyboy : As per the below press release. Flights were Sat and Sun from Winter '02. They were part of the initial schedule on delivery of the six ex-TWA/AA 717
75 RyanairGuru : Just looking at the current capacity SEQ-TAS, how is it that JQ can (apparently) make BNE-LST work as a daily 320, whereas BNE-HBA is only an E90? Sur
76 Post contains links thegeek : I cannot believe that Airtrain was ever built on the terms which are in operation. $460 (not $430) is an obscene charge for less than 20 minutes of t
77 AusA380 : As a regular business traveller, the taxi issues is why I either use Valet Parking for short trips or hire car for longer trips which are reliable an
78 Airvan00 : Hobart does have the larger population, but whenever I have been to TAS for a holiday I hire the car in LST and drive around the island (including HB
79 IndianicWorld : Just correcting this stat that you have raised, as NTL actually has a metro populatiIton of around 550,000. It also has a fairly decent sized catchme
80 thegeek : The HBA & LST markets would also be much more seasonal than NTL. No one in their right mind would want to visit Tassie in winter.
81 TruemanQLD : But wouldnt people from Tassie want to visit the Gold Coast during this time? I do agree it is a big leap to go straight to daily A320 but I think it
82 cwalt : The US Department of Transportation has asked Virgin Blue for a few more finer details on their proposed alliance with Delta Air Lines. It's looking a
83 thegeek : Yes, but about twice the number of people live in OOL than HBA, so I would estimate around 2/3 of the market are OOL based. I will admit that is simp
84 DavidByrne : A strong possibility for an eventual NZ-Tasmania connection could be NZ from AKL-HBA with a flight connecting in both directions to and from the USA
85 Ben175 : Anyone have any information on Batavia's new PER-DPS service? Due to start in less than 3 weeks, but still no schedule?
86 YVR1968 : I hear you. I guess I have been pretty lucky each time I arrive in SYD. One other thing I find to be really lacking at both MEL and SYD (primarily ME
87 thegeek : I do think the taxi queue at SYD could be managed far, far better. At BNE domestic, there are numbered bays and a controller telling everyone where to
88 YVR1968 : The numbering system definitely works and is very efficient. SYD is the only city I regularly use taxis, most other cities (in Australia) I/we tend to
89 smi0006 : I hope we see Strategic operate a number of niche services out of MEL, BNE and maybe even ADL and CBR? more flights is always goodnews in my books.
90 DJ748 : DJ also tried the BNE-LST direct market a few years back with the E70's and couldn't make it work - it initially a seasonal service but didn't last a
91 747m8te : Actually they ended up using E190s aswell on that service and it did last the full season they had planned, just wasn't continued the following seaso
92 Airbusa322 : They dont even have approval let alone a schedule. I love it how they come announcing all these new routes that they have zero approval for. How can
93 pugsley : I was just looking at the seat map showing the new A332 config for QF VH-EBO. I've not yet seen the aircraft in the flesh, but the seat map shows the
94 Post contains images JQflightie : and DJ have gone to a all E190 service on BNE-NTL-BNE yet JQ/QF can still maintain 7 flights a day.. A320/DH8 ... it makes you wonder sometimes.....
95 JQflightie : why has no australian airline ever had 757's? or have they ever shown interest in 757's?
96 Post contains images pilotdude09 : Hey guys, Anyone know why Qantas is using the Skyteam lounge in LAX TBIT? Sitting in here at the moment, werid they have a one world lounge then this
97 YVR1968 : I cannot agree with you more... for the second largest city in the US, it is a total embarrassment... imagine this is your first view of the USA... a
98 Post contains links gardermoen : Good new for Darwin - Indonesia Air Asia to fly daily DPS-DRW A320 services from December 23. http://www.travelweekly.com.au/getat.../Travel-Weekly--2
99 YVR1968 : Wow.. Darwin is actually becoming quite the little hub for Asian travel. I too wouldn't be surprised if Air Asia X is "looking" at them. But their sm
100 Flyingsottsman : I think it could be the steepest climb that i know of , when taking of to the South its a step climb (maybe between 5 to 10 degrees please anyone cor
101 Flyingsottsman : MEL and BNE are ok for international flights and with codeshares, and ADL is prety well covered to with South East Asian services. ADL Nandie did not
102 Flyingsottsman : Im have woundered that to, the 757 is a very sleek looking and a lovely looking aircraft .
103 tayser : where would it be used? MEL-PER and SYD-PER suit 763s and 330s (remembering that 743s used to fly this route). and Australia-Asia? again 330s/763s are
104 IndianicWorld : The 757 just did not hve a market here, due to the nature of the routes that the airlines were flying. The 757 could have been very handy today though
105 Post contains links cwalt : Virgin Blue has announced plans to acquire two addtional A330s for its domestic operations, boosting its future fleet to four widebody aircraft. CEO J
106 JQflightie : this is what i was getting at.. the 757 would now suit Australian operations as a Australia-Asia market. especially out of places like PER, ADL and C
107 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Must really have big plans on the MEL/SYD/BNE-PER routes, with that aount of aircraft. As the A330 is not well suited to many other sectors in Austra
108 yvr1968 : DJ doesn't really have that many frequencies into DRW to begin with, I would be surprised to see it on any DRW runs. I would guess MEL/SYD-PER. 4 air
109 Airbusa322 : Tiger have saturated the Melbourne market, not much chance of capturing the corporate market either. I dont think we will see ex BNE, JQ are adding c
110 gemuser : I think you are right. IMHO the plan is to get the wide bodies on the SYD-MEL-BNE triangle as much as possible. Maybe one PER rotation, likely on a "
111 yvr1968 : Hmm. I would disagree as the 330 would be too big for the triangle. At the expense of lost frequency, which is something DJ really has going for it,
112 6thfreedom : Is it really that much additional capacity? MEL/PER & SYD/PER are over 4 hour sectors, which means at most you get 4 rotations per aircraft. EK's
113 thegeek : I would have thought they needed to go to an all wide body service SYD/MEL-PER to compete with QF before even thinking about the golden triangle. 4 p
114 alangirvan : The A332s could be peak time capacity for the Golden Triangle. They would take longer to turn than 738s, but they would make best use of slots at 0800
115 yvr1968 : Serving hot meals seems to be more of a hastle on such short flights anyway, even in J. A couple of weeks ago flying from SYD-MEL in a full J cabin 7
116 pilotdude09 : Yeah SFO is a nice Airport, I only flew domestically but had a lot more on offer than anywhere else I went! Denver wasn't too bad either but all of t
117 yvr1968 : QF can be a bit hit and miss. Hope they "hit" this weekend as I am flying MEL-PER on Saturday (although only 4 hours compared to your last long haul
118 gemuser : Not in peak times! Tomorrow QF has 8 flights between 0600 & 0800 SYD-MEL. 1xA332, 2xB763, 3xB738, 1xB734 & 1xA320(JQ). You really don't think
119 thegeek : Indeed, but for DJ it would only be required SYD-MEL. SYD-BNE doesn't really need the capacity, unless DJ can get more market share.
120 allrite : Saw a Qantas A380 fly overhead of my house today - so nice after its absence. I noticed the Paul McGinness in the hanger in SYD on the way back from C
121 pilotdude09 : Yeah seen it getting ready on Monday night (LA Time), was all lit up, tow truck attached and crew were boarding to bring it home. Arrived in Sydney s
122 smi0006 : One of my friends works at Virgin and has been placed in charge of uniform rollout at MEL, according to her womans uniform is red suit a la VS and me
123 Post contains images gemuser : The point, the whole point and nothing but the point!!! If he's going to recreate Ansett, DJ must match QF with wide bodies on the triangle. Gemuser
124 QF175 : Virgin Blue BNE/PER has consistently been growing faster than MEL/PER, however the market is about 1.5x smaller, that's not to say it doesn't warrant
125 thegeek : Ok, but you don't see merit in concentrating your wide bodies on the trans cons until you can offer an all wide body service there, to match QF? Are
126 Zkpilot : Shame to hear it wasn't that good a flight for you. It would be nice for QF to upgrade the 744s sooner rather than later... the upgrade is planned ho
127 yvr1968 : I agree with you. Both BNE and PER tend to have solid growth and performance. However, right now at least, MEL is just growing gangbusters (both city
128 Post contains links DJ748 : Agreed - the cargo demand on the POM route will definitely be increasing. I've been to Port Moresby now twice (March last year and also March this ye
129 yvr1968 : Could you imagine!? And the tallest building in the world is now...... in Port Moresby! Now all they need to do is get their country a safer place to
130 Post contains images IndianicWorld : If thats the case, expect either another 737 flight to be added or a replacement of the 2nd frequency with an A330. Its unlikely to be 3 frequencies,
131 ptrjms : yvr1968 I totally agree, ADL is a great airport. We can only hope PER will be something like that in the future.
132 Zkpilot : indeed, the Intl terminal is not that old really and yet has one of the stupidest designs I've seen... from the gate lounge you have to walk down sev
133 DJ748 : It's actually safer than you think - in the twice I've been there I never saw anything to indicate it was an unsafe destination (5 days in March last
134 IndianicWorld : The Domestic/International swing gates at PER international terminal sounds like a great idea, but that will be interesting to see how successful it i
135 NZ107 : I was on the wrong side of the plane today to do a count of QF planes at LAX.. It sure was interesting last week when they had so many parked up ther
136 brad330 : DJ Could make this works as QF group up capacity to CNS quite significantly during the winter months. CNS-SYD Summer--73H X 3 Daily, 763 X 1 Dailly W
137 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Happy A.net Birthday Now that DJ has 'upgraded' to 4 A330's, is it likely that they will increase this number further? Maybe for short international
138 ThunderB : Well trips to DPS especially weight restricted on the 737 would be great on a A330, and HKT flights could even resume once again, especially with that
139 QF175 : V Australia is introducing a 4th weekly Brisbane - Los Angeles service from 27FEB11 in the form of a new Sunday service. Additionally and as mentioned
140 gemuser : The question is - is PER traffic more profitable than a real J on the triangle? I don't really know, but I suspect not. Basically yes, although I did
141 ditzyboy : The Y amenity kit should have been offered to Y+ customers, socks on request. That is the standard. Can you imagine the reaction when a flight attend
142 Post contains images pilotdude09 : Look I agree, but personally I feel bad (even though that's what they are there for) calling a F/A to come and get my glass or get a bottle of water
143 yvr1968 : Try and get yourself to gold status as that is when the real benefits kick in. And as for your "gripes" about your flight. Your opinion is valid and
144 thegeek : Perhaps they don't have the demand because they lack the space to sell.
145 brad330 : Qantas seem to be useing 333's twice a week on BNE-DRW-BNE
146 Post contains links allrite : A very delayed reply, but I've put up a number of photos of the new Canberra terminal at By George, There's Water: Canberra's New Terminal. You'll ha
147 Ben175 : With the new $500 million development at PER, any chance we'll see some new international airlines? It's about bloody time EY or QR get in.
148 yvr1968 : Awesome pictures. Definitely gonna have to make a trip up to CBR before Xmas. Nothing better to do.. LOL... I am sure something will come up! If you
149 brad330 : JQ25+JQ26 CNS-NRT-CNS has been cancelled anybody have any info? brad330
150 Post contains images ditzyboy : Please indicate where anyone said his opinions were not valid. Except where it is mandated by American law and the airline can be reprimanded for non
151 Jackbr : Was speaking to a Qantas Flight Attendant on a flight from MEL yesterday who reminded me how the Short Haul crew used to operate many A330 (possibly 7
152 ditzyboy : I just flew in from LAX on OJI on the QF12 (380 replacement service). We flew up on OJB and it had the new configuration also. Y has the old blue/wav
153 ptrjms : Does anyone have any info on QF or QFlink flying to LEA or GET? I heard that they had made a bid for these routes but have not been able to find any i
154 Post contains links and images pilotdude09 : Thanks heaps for your info, very much appreciated to have someone in the know on here Dunno how much you know but I spent a bit of time reading up on
155 pugsley : Qantas' new adelaide cabin crew base started operation today. Its been guaranteed to be in operation for a minimum of two years. There are about 60 ne
156 thegeek : Probably about time they had a presence there. Correct me if I am wrong, but now they have bases: SYD/MEL/BNE/PER/ADL/CNS/AKL/LHR (+Tokyo) Not sure w
157 TruemanQLD : Now I do apologise if this was reported on, however, did anyone else hear about this (and from the general media, not inside sources)? I guess its no
158 ditzyboy : Yup. That's it.
159 smi0006 : I think the QF base in NRT was closed years ago, but there are still a few 10 or so crew who fly out of NRT with special trip through SYD... Or they m
160 Airbusa322 : I thought Cathay had some Aussie based pilots here? I also saw a VS pilot paxing SYD-OOL last week. Does it do any good? I mean SQ are daily so prett
161 Zkpilot : IIRC they are effectively part-time crew and are mostly on reserve to cover upline illness/disruptions in NRT. They do obviously get the odd trip ros
162 JQflightie : CX have a pilot base in MEL as i always had a FO that commuted on my flights to LST, he used to do alot of MEL-HKG-YVR 2 week trips
163 6thfreedom : I think you will find that it will end up being 2 A330s based in PER, and one each in MEL and SYD. I don't see them operating to DRW or CNS. One thin
164 thegeek : Assuming you actually meant the A333 would be better suited to domestic, I would agree. I think the advantage of the A332 is that it can be re-config
165 Post contains links ash185 : Looks like EK is no longer using the A345 to Perth, but now the 772LR for "product consistency". I big improvement for onboard product i would say. ht
166 Post contains links eta unknown : 2011 Northern Summer peak season: HA HNL-SYD daily. http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...-newsArticle&ID=1499572&highlight=
167 Post contains images ptrjms : thanks pilotdude09
168 The Coachman : Btw, what are loads like on the late SYD-SIN SQ flight (now SQ242)? Its capacity has been upped slightly by the change from 77W to 77E (although I thi
169 smi0006 : Has anyone seen any evidence of the rebranding in BNE? Is there a date when it will be officially launched?
170 Post contains links Boof : Sorry this is going to be long and will take the conversation back a bit but I've missed heaps in the past week so thought I'd comment on a few things
171 Post contains links JQflightie : Oh this could get interesting!!!! http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/817...-slams-rolls-royce-ready-for-court
172 tayser : lol what. Depsite cost, how easy would it be for QF to say no more RR and just go with GE?
173 JQflightie : get the compo first and then go with GE... although what are the differences between the RR and GE engines?
174 Boof : There was a thread a while ago about switching engine manufacturers on A380 MSN002. It is the one parked at an Airbus facility and is headed to some
175 alangirvan : You could say that when the RR engine is the installed powerplant, it is RR's contract to lose. Well. Things will depend just how disappointed Qantas
176 smi0006 : Here is an interesting bit from yesterday: SYDNEY, 6 December 2010: Qantas Freight announced today it will increase its Tasman freighter capacity by 4
177 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I heard a commercial for Strategic Airlines on local radio in Brisbane this morning Advertising "Australia's newest full-service airline" and their ro
178 Post contains images Boof : Yeah you are right about dull! There is a trip report for Strategic I noticed today in the forums. It is worth a read and some interesting photos. Lo
179 TruemanQLD : Cant wait to see the aircraft, but I do not understand why it will have an all-red tail.... why not add the Kangaroo since it makes it 500% more reco
180 Post contains images TN486 : Or how about a smiling roo with a package dangling from its neck - seriously
181 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Yeah MEL radio, and also on TV, had had ads for a few weeks for MEL-HKT. It was definately a shock at first, but they were fairly good ads. Must have
182 Post contains links VHHYI : Ansett 'ordered' 757-200's back in 1987 as well as 737-500's: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...9B0DEEDF133AF93BA35753C1A961948260
183 Post contains images IndianicWorld : That was all part of that certain company head's rein where he ordered anything he could get his hands on. A320, BAe 146, 737, 757, 767 ..... Any kin
184 Airvan00 : I think he bought the 767's on eBay, from different suppliers, they were all different configurations. Substitutions were a nightmare.
185 Jackbr : I've heard from a friend that Qantas Domestic cabin crew will be operating A330 services to CGK over the Christmas period. If this is true this must b
186 thegeek : Are you inferring that NZ isn't a proper international trip, but CGK is?
187 Jackbr : They overnight in CGK. New Zealand is usually a turnaround, and with most flights now operated by NZ based Jetconnect crew, it isn't a major destinati
188 pugsley : During December, Shorthaul crew have been, and will be operating the ADL-SIN QF81/82 for the entire month, and this is expected to stay that way. 1st
189 Zkpilot : QF switching from RR to EA/GE would not solve the problem of trans-pac ops IIRC as the reason why QF chose RR was the extra 2k lbs thrust per engine.
190 thegeek : FWIW, I wish people would just stick to the short haul and long haul terms. Calling trips to NZ "domestic" really grates on me!
191 QF175 : Effective March 2011, Strategic Airlines will introduce 2x weekly A330-200 services BNE/DPS. Airfares are now available for sale with the schedule bei
192 VHHYI : Both engines were certified to ~80,000lbs, surely EA would provide a 72klbs version if asked for?
193 gemuser : For one customer? Maybe, maybe not. And before you say RR did, remember than was when both the airframe and engines did not exists and weren't in pro
194 Airvan00 : Nothing is that simple. There are 4 versions of the Trent 970/972 with thrusts from 75 to 80,000 and there is the EA GP7270 which is approx 75,000 Qa
195 pugsley : This is in addition to their twice weekly BNE-TSV-DPS bringing their operations between Bali and Brisbane to 4 times a week. Lets hope they add MEL-D
196 jetfuel : I really have to wonder if there is sufficent demand. Remember they have no feed in service
197 Boof : Thai's ability to forecast 18001 years ahead and the ability to extend the life of the 773's that far in advance is a credit to them.... Sorry couldn
198 Post contains images RobK : Someone started a separate thread about it but the mods have deleted it ???? Express Freighters Australia will soon take delivery of B763F VH-EFR (ex
199 Post contains links pugsley : Qantas has announced that it is to purchase Network Aviation of western australia. Network will become a fully owned subsidbsy of qantas and operate t
200 Airbusa322 : sure....
201 IndianicWorld : I also agree there, as no business takes over another without some management influence being pushed onto it. It may operate 'independently' in name,
202 Airbusa322 : On VAustralia's homepage it mentions "Singapore" on the sale banner. I didn't think they would be advertising EY's direct services so mabye this is a
203 Post contains images IndianicWorld : I'd say thats EY's BNE-SIN-AUH (now VA codeshared). I see no value in VA taking on the SIN market, given its saturated market environment. I can only
204 pugsley : re: airbusa332 and indianicworld reply 200 and 201 I totally agree with you. It will be very interesting to see how network changes over the coming ye
205 pugsley : re: airbusa332 and indianicworld reply 200 and 201 I totally agree with you. It will be very interesting to see how network changes over the coming ye
206 DJ748 : Certainly would be - would be more value in going direct on the BNE-AUH route. The BNE-SIN market is very saturated, and my best guess would be that
207 Post contains links flykev : This topic has now reached over 200 replies so a new one has been started. Please feel free to continue the discussion at: Australian Aviation Thread
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