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QF 744 Engine Trouble After SIN Takeoff  
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37109 times:

BBC news are reporting that a QF 744 has made an emergency landing at SIN no more info at this time.......... It's not QFs week this week I take it  

[Edited 2010-11-05 07:18:51]

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User currently offlinemspspotter From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37170 times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2010/11/05/AR2010110502646.html

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37153 times:

What the hell is going on ? From the same airport !


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User currently offlineandrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37184 times:

Qantas QF6 (747-400) scheduled for SIN-SYD had an air return today due to a problem with the number 1 engine and thereafter she returned to SIN safely.

User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37118 times:

I hope it wasn't the flight that was supposed to bring the stranded passengers from yesterday to SYD.  

User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37022 times:

Moreover, I hope it wasn't a ship with RR engines!

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2730 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37031 times:

Quoting BA174 (Thread starter):
BBC news are reporting that a QF 744 has made an emergency landing at SIN no more info at this time

Dear BA174 - this is not the right moment to make jokes! Or wait a moment, is that really true???  


User currently offlineandrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36873 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 4):
I hope it wasn't the flight that was supposed to bring the stranded passengers from yesterday to SYD.

Thankfully no. The passengers left Singapore in the morning aboard QF8032.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36697 times:

Quoting BA174 (Thread starter):
.......... It's not QFs week this week I take it

My thoughts exactly!

Quoting andrewtang (Reply 7):
Thankfully no. The passengers left Singapore in the morning aboard QF8032.

But were they all on that aircraft? If the A380s have been grounded and there were 430+ on 'OQA, then the 8032 could not have accommodated all the pax.

QF 6 had a scheduled departure from SIN at 19.55.

Embarrassing timing for QF, but it sounds like this incident was far less serious than the 'OQA incident. The crew did exactly what they were supposed to do and trained to do; it's just that the media will be focusing far more attention on QF now.

Here's Sky's report:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...roblems%2C_Returns_To_Singapore_Sh


User currently offlinebralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36638 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 5):
Moreover, I hope it wasn't a ship with RR engines!

Aren't all B744's from QF powered by RR engines (except the ER's)?


User currently offlineEstorilM From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36583 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6):
Dear BA174 - this is not the right moment to make jokes! Or wait a moment, is that really true???

Exactly my thoughts, it's almost too much for me to handle, especially given the other 744 incident!


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36466 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 4):
I hope it wasn't the flight that was supposed to bring the stranded passengers from yesterday to SYD

I doubt it but I would imagine the pax have been heavily delayed in SIN since yesterday and will be horrified at two incidents in the space of two days.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36279 times:

This is madness. What is QF doing to the engines of their planes?

User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36229 times:

Quoting bralo20 (Reply 9):
Aren't all B744's from QF powered by RR engines (except the ER's)?

They have 3 GE non ERs if I am not mistaken. OEC and OED are stored and OEB is the only active GE powered non ER in the fleet.


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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36035 times:

How many planes has Qantas got left? At this rate we'll see the 737's at LHR

.....only kidding. Only in the news as a result of yesterdays incident



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 35901 times:
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I thought this was a joke when I read the thread title, but it appears that I was mistaken. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I wonder what specifically was the "trouble" with the engine, though. Thankfully it's not another uncontained failure.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20684 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35679 times:

I'm waiting for IADCA's take on this.


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User currently offlinemspspotter From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35594 times:

Quoting Poadrim (Reply 20):

On the more serious note, is this a new event or the A380 incident?

New.

Note the title of the thread mentions a 744.


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35057 times:

With Media Calling everything that moves a "Jumbo" hopefully noone will notice and this will merge into one  

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35673 times:

One could think that Airbus and/or Emirates have asked for this - the media have been focusing pretty much on the "Airbus" rather than the "Rolls-Royce engine" aspect, so news that a Boeing 747 with Rolls-Royce engines had to return to SIN sort of remindes the public that it is not so much about the aircraft manufacturer.

Emirates must have been annoyed big time since the incident given that they are operating the A380 with other engines, but were always mentioned alongside the RR customers when it came to listing "other A380 operators"


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35890 times:

Sounds to me like QF may have some maintenance issues going on at SIN. Then again, I'm not sure if they actually have a maintenance base there. Still, with two engine failures back to back, there seems to be a problem somewhere. I'm reluctant to blame RR on this issue.

User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 36090 times:

Just an idea / guessing...
could this have something to do with volcano Merapi? Maybe the 2 aircraft were affected some way on their way from Australia to Singapore. The route does not pass too far from the volcano?

Maybe a very strange idea?



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35970 times:

Flown by VH-OJD. The frame has been flying exclusively between FRA and SYD via SIN for the last week or two.


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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35405 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 28):

Just an idea / guessing...
could this have something to do with volcano Merapi? Maybe the 2 aircraft were affected some way on their way from Australia to Singapore. The route does not pass too far from the volcano?

That's impossible, because if that's the case, other airlines that are flying to Australia would probably have similar problems with QF.

Shocker, no one has thought this would happen. Let's wait to hear what caused this engine to fail this time round.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 35182 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 29):
Flown by VH-OJD. The frame has been flying exclusively between FRA and SYD via SIN for the last week or two.

So more free publicity for Rolls Royce?

http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/vh-ojd/vhojd.html

Quote:
Powered by Rolls Royce RB211-524G2 engines



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
25 Post contains images SXDFC : Looks like I picked the wrong week to be flying Qantas
26 Post contains images EstorilM : Engine Manufacturer and Model: Rolls Royce Ltd RB211-524 G2 At least RR will have staff on-site
27 Lumberton : Joyce and his unions have been at odds over outsourcing of late. He was quick to speculate that the A380 engine issues may have been "design issues" a
28 SKAirbus : Well that isn't really an issue seeing as the 744s are ancient in relative terms and any manufacturering fault with these engines most likely would h
29 Post contains images KPDX : Hmm...so with the QF A380 incident it was definitely the engine not the plane... with the QF 744 incident, it is the plane, not the engine? Hmm.. Kid
30 Post contains images AF1624 : Ground all 747's !! What ? That's what they've done for their A380s... Obviously a freak coincidence but one has to wonder why only QF and why only RR
31 be77 : Definitely - where is the IADCA summary post.
32 SB : The volcano has nothing to do with this at all, it's miles away and no one else is affected. Looks like kangaroos are allergic to Singapore all of a s
33 Post contains images AirbusA6 : Hmm, not a great week for Rolls Royce, still anything to wind up the Aussies in the leadup to an Ashes series eh
34 Post contains links keesje : QF had an RB211 uncontained failure 2 months ago. This could one of the 744ERs though, they have CF6-80s. http://www.smh.com.au/travel/qantas-...ng-20
35 Post contains links nycdave : Some of QF's 744's have RB211 engines that were retrofitted with Trent technology HP turbines. Any idea if this bird had the reworked engines? (actual
36 longhaulheavy : You're exactly right with this. But the unions had better hope that it's an outsourcing issue or design flaw, not some rogue pissed off union member.
37 330lover : But when they are allergic to SIN, why return there? Just get away as quick as possible ...
38 BOEING747400 : If this happened on both Qantas 744 and 380 from the same airport, then I must assume it might have to do with the weather conditions between Singapor
39 initious : I have to congratulate my supervisor getting rebooked onto BA15 departing at 2005 instead of QF6 departing at 1955 as she missed her SIN-BNE flight la
40 DocPepz : But hundreds of flights fly into and out of SIN each day (today and yesterday being no exception) and no other airline has had any probems...........
41 Post contains links Baroque : At least there are three of us who seem to know where Merapi is. All routings have been giving Merapi a wide berth for some weeks now. Getting to be
42 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, this shows at least how high the profile of the A380 is. So far the number of posts is trailing the A380 incident (which looked more severe) by
43 burnsie28 : I will put the blame on them right now... two Qantas 744's with RR engines, an A380 with RR engines and the RR 787 engine blew up on the test pad.
44 nycdave : Ha ha! 3 seconds before my post about the trent-fitted RB211's! Looks more and more like a serious design/manufacturing problem with RR's Trent desig
45 Baroque : Well the real standout is QANTAS I fear. As a % of QF RRs the failures are unfortunately high, but compare that with the number of other RRrs flying a
46 StuckInCA : In this sense it reminds me of SAS having problems with the Q400 landing gear... while others were not. Strange.
47 BOEING747400 : Maybe there is a problem with the RR engines being unsafe? Happened to both RR powered 380 and 744.
48 runway23 : The odds of this happening two days in a row would really appear small if this were a random factor. Something is wrong here, could it be fuel or main
49 fca767 : Maybe the High Thrust option they chose.
50 DocLightning : We don't know what the problem was yet. It could have been a faulty oil pressure reading or some other inanity. There's no mention of an uncontained
51 Dl767captain : Engine problems from the same airport.... could there be some sort of debris around the airport or runway making its way into the engines?
52 Baroque : Try again, the QF 747 engines are not Trents although they do have some Trent features fitted. The full name of the engine that failed out of the US
53 Post contains images mogandoCI : at the rate this is occurring, this flagship 744/388 route is gonna go daily soon but seriously, this is horrible PR - 2 days back-to-back, both SIN-
54 mogandoCI : it's more a QF maintenance issue at SIN than any RR issue RR's 744s have been flying since the late 80s - you don't see them falling off the sky like
55 Post contains images nycdave : Well, that's why I said "Trent-fitted RB211's" More specifcally, it's a turbine that's the major part of the re-fit... which raises questions about w
56 SKAirbus : Ermmm just saw ITV news (which is the UK TV equivalent of the Daily Mail so don't take much notice).... Apparently another jumbo returned to LHR with
57 SyrAlex : Poor maintenance on Qantas' part?
58 Post contains links Lumberton : Completely OT, but apparently when it rains.... Pratt escalates court row with Rolls-Royce [Edited 2010-11-05 11:47:57]
59 Post contains images emalad : The ITV news did say that it was a Qantas flight that had to return to LHR. This is getting serious isn't it. To me (and yes I live in Derby) this is
60 ltbewr : As far as we know now, this was not a break up or unconfined failure of an engine as with the A380 event of the other day, more likely it was a compre
61 GingerSnap : I'm reluctant to put to much blame onto RR at this stage. Both incidents happened with RR engines (plus the RR engine troubles at SFO), under the same
62 deskflier : I saw the A380 on the TV-news, and to me it looked like the core engine was okay. FOD, probably a bird, would cause the kind of damage I saw. And if i
63 YULWinterSkies : Or you could put the blame on RR saying that both incidents happen to QF aircraft, but that since both aircraft that were equipped with RR engines, i
64 fca767 : Singapore is one of the cleanest places on earth (Have you seen the polished marble metro stations) They keep everything nice so I'm sure they keep t
65 Post contains links and images Lumberton : Pax account of the latest engine mishap for Qantas. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapc...s/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn I usually opt for aisle
66 EstorilM : Pleaaase people, stop trying to connect these incidents through some type of faulty maintenance issue on behalf of Qantas. It has already been mention
67 motopolitico : So, given that the 744 is certified to fly on 3 engines, why return to SIN if this was a contained failure?
68 tbloemink : They even have some law that disallow you to spit on the street...
69 Post contains images fca767 : Also no chewing gum, as it sticks to the floor
70 Springbok747 : Can't be..why is it only affecting RR powered QF aircraft? Also the A380 incident cannot be a maintenance issue (see reply 72 above). And its too ear
71 BA174 : Exactley my thoughts. Well QF are practically in fact becoming a collection of subsidiaries so it would not surprise me if the work was outsourced[Ed
72 stealthz : Well it could be a maintenance issue, just NOT a Qantas one. I was unaware that QF RB211 had been upgraded with some Trent technology, after the SFO
73 peterinlisbon : Are they going to ground their 747 fleet as well? I think grounding all the A380s was a mistake.
74 warden145 : Has anyone found any online news links to this incident yet? I'd like to find out more about it but my search skills leave a lot to be desired...than
75 BA174 : The 744 is a bedded in aircraft that has had problems like this before and QF as well as all other 744 operators will know the motions of it on top o
76 tjcab : Well knowing where to look is one thing. Actually looking there is another...perhaps they should have looked harder
77 tepidhalibut : Yet, curiously, early in the Trent 700's life, the engine reliability was poor, and the Hong Kong authorities threatened to ground it. Now....it's a
78 dwkranz : If I'm not mistaken Boeing had a test bench failure with a Trent 900 engine and had to scramble to move up the project installation of the GE engines
79 Giancavia : Dont call me paranoid or crazy just throwing out theories no matter how stupid they may seem. lol ready? Saboteur on the ground in singapore? Pretty w
80 DocLightning : Flames out the tailpipe sounds like a surge, no?
81 AirNZ : Is it indeed? Tell me how many 'other airlines' had the same incident as the BA 747 in the 1980's in a similar case to what you state to be "impossib
82 kiwiinoz : Those Changi fire crews must be getting a bit tired of Qantas continually interrupting their game of mah-jong.
83 wjcandee : It's gonna be either VH-OJA, VH-OJD or VH-OJJ, which were the aircraft flying 6 the last two days. All are RB-211-524G2 powered. A and D were part of
84 413X3 : There was a volcano eruption in Indonesia just last week I believe, I am sure there is something in the air that is getting these engines. Unless it's
85 Dano1977 : Before anybody starts blaming outsourcing of maintenance Interesting quote from a QF spokesperson Quote: Speaking on Channel Nine, Qantas spokeswoman
86 Giancavia : Maybe but it is only happening to the qantas planes? Hmmm..
87 Post contains images Tigerguy : [sarcasm]Oh, they won't ground the 747...the engine didn't blow, so it's obviously superior to the A380.[/sarcasm] Please note the sarcasm tags. My c
88 DTWLAX : Is it only QF that flies between Singapore and Indonesia?? Are other airlines not subjected to the same weather conditions? How come the debris make
89 Post contains links prebennorholm : Nothing was strange here. This issue has been settled. It was a "time bomb" design fault, which "by design" hits the launch customer first. The issue
90 413X3 : They probably have the most jets flying back and forth around that area from SIN then south overflying Indonesia. So naturally they would have a high
91 KFlyer : I really do not believe this has anything to do with ash. A number of airlines fly the route everyday - including other QFs. Plus, the volcano is much
92 Starlionblue : As far as I can make out. Similarities - Same airline - Same engine manufacturer - Same airport Differences - Not the same kind of failure - Not the s
93 prebennorholm : To me this latest Qantas 747 incident in Singapore seems like an ordinary compressor surge. Although unwanted, it is something which the 727 suffered
94 Post contains links prebennorholm : Dear Stallion, there is an AD from January this year (updated in August) on the T900 IP shaft bearings, so hopefully they have looked into those engi
95 Starlionblue : Good info. Thx prebennorholm. Then again, that AD doesn't mean they boroscoped the IP disc right?
96 StuckInCA : Yes, I didn't mean to possibly confuse anyone into believing otherwise. It's just that, from the outside looking in, at this early stage it has some
97 prebennorholm : Now we are into pure speculation. But that's also allowed. As I told a friend earlier today, if the Qantas CEO resigns during the next few days, then
98 Starlionblue : Word.
99 StuckInCA : I think you guys are mostly right, but this is a compelling incident in that it seems like the risk to the aircraft was relatively high. Maybe not, b
100 Post contains links Quokka : Add one to that list - Same crew. "Incredibly, the pilot and cabin crew from the A380 flight were on board the 747, and are now making their third at
101 woodsboy : Here in the States, on NPR they featured a guy from Reuters who is their Aviation Corespondent who said that the 744 that experienced the incident out
102 Starlionblue : Not really. They may have been on board, but the pilots weren't flying. The types are different.
103 thatmattguy21 : News just came out in Aus. The captain of the 380 that had the engine failure was on the 747. What an exciting couple of days he's had.
104 SKAirbus : Any news about the QF aircraft ex LHR that apparently had to turn back???
105 9V-SVC : Air.nz : ok Mr smartguy aka aviation expert: what makes you think it has to be the volcano ashes that was the cause. I would love to hear your input s
106 Baroque : Or at QANTAS perhaps? As in: Quite so. It wiil be a bit of a mass burning though. I mean how could we not blame the volcano, or NOT think that RR has
107 Dano1977 : The take off and climb, is when the engines are worked the hardest. So the risk of failure is higher than in the cruise or decent?
108 KFlyer : Baroque, nice point re climb. I'm sure Alan was misinformed by his assistants. Obviously he's not coming from an engineering background ?
109 Baroque : Surely, but what else have they misinformed him about. I mean if you can find it on Wiki........!!!!!! The climb bit seems fairly obvious. Where is Z
110 AR385 : In general, because a 744 on three engines on a full payload won´t get you to your destination. The cruising altitude won´t go above the high 20,00
111 Starlionblue : As I understand it, derate uses more fuel but compensates by decreasing engine maintenance. Even so, the engine is rated at certain times in take-off
112 Tristarsteve : Maybe, but go and look at the engine data plate on any Trent on the left side of the fan case. You will see the engine is called a RB211. It may be r
113 Post contains links and images tom355uk : See the EASA AD below: http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2010-0008R1 The Trent was developed from the RB211, sharing the three shaft configuration and core
114 Baroque : They are, but very very different RB211s. It is nearly as helpful as stating they are all Rolls Royce engines. Or saying they basically conform to th
115 Post contains links and images Kaiarahi : Intelligent alien debris and ash that hunts down and attacks only QF planes with RR engines? Or maybe it's something in the water in SIN? Really? Try
116 Post contains links Lumberton : Slightly OT, but the news of "engine woes" has had a severe (short term?) impact on RR's stock; it has lost over 1 billion pounds since this started.
117 F9Animal : Poor QF! They are just getting terrible publicity! I have to give kudos to the flight crews! They have faced some tough situations, but have proven on
118 Baroque : I would not expect them to say much until they figure out what is wrong. I am sure plenty are going around saying much as Beatty did at Jutland, "the
119 Lumberton : Did Beatty say that after he lost one, or both ships? RR can at least highlight the safety record of their engines and do something to counter the "bu
120 musang : How many were there AirNZ? In this geographical context, I can only think of the Singapore Airlines, a few days later, same volcano, (which was appar
121 KFlyer : Can anybody confirm if VH-OJD indeed had the Trent-modded RB211-524-G2-T-x ?
122 Baroque : Two I think. Which is equally odd, he must have thought one disappearing in pretty much a single puff was SOP, but the second was a bit odd. I wonder
123 theginge : Was there actually an LHR turnback or were people getting things mixed up??!
124 Tristarsteve : Doesn't matter. It is a different part of the engine. TheRB211-524 GT uses an 04 module from the Trent which is fitted in place of the 04 in the RB21
125 AirlineCritic : Perhaps on this site, but I suspect that in the general media the interest will for years still be on the A380. B787, while a technical marvel, it ju
126 Zkpilot : QF had 743s and various other 747 types before this with RR engines.
127 ash185 : I would just say it is coincidence that this happened within two days from the same airport. I often read/ear in the news about qantas 747s and engine
128 crdaus : I wonder if Qantas has been flying to close too that erupting volcano in Indonesia on its trips back and forth between Asia and Australia? The night b
129 Starlionblue : Please at least skim earlier posts. This has been asked and answered multiple times in this thread and the 380 one. The volcano is far away from Sing
130 tayser : Mount Merapi is at the eastern tip of Java, from experience flying MEL-SIN the shortest path is directly over the top of DPS and the diversionary rou
131 Dizzy777 : Which of the QF 744's were fitted with RB211-524G/H-T??
132 Baroque : And exactly how would they be fitted with RB211-524G-T engine BEFORE it was introduced in 1998? Remember the issue appears to be the Trent influenced
133 andrewtang : VH-OJS, VH-OJT & VH-OJU used to be the only 3 B747-438s fitted with the RB211-524G/H-T engines but in 1998 QF made a decision to upgrade the enti
134 iclcy : No it isn't its in central Java. Bromo is in eastern Java.
135 Baroque : Thanks. I had a vague memory that something of that kind happened but was not sure of the details. The interesting sub-text of that is that while 199
136 QFFlyer : I must have missed where he defined this engine in his interview. I don't understand what pushing this point is really achieving - you could find thi
137 Baroque : iclcy is correct and if it was at the E end of Jawa, a route by DPS would put you closer to it. The Gt circle route SIN-MEL is a bit W of DPS, but no
138 tepidhalibut : Let me explain, as some people seem to be getting confuzlicated.. The 524G engines were certified in (IIRC) 1988., the Trent 700 in 1994. The 524G-T
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