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KLM To Start Amsterdam - Xiamen In 2011  
User currently offlinetripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11409 times:

According to well-informed aviation site luchtvaartnieuws.nl KLM will start flights to Xiamen in 2011.

KLM will be the first European carrier to fly Xiamen. Start date of the flights is not yet know. My guess is that KLM will deploy direct flights with B772ER.

Does anyone have more information?

Source (Dutch only):
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=36923

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11379 times:

totally oddity - XMN is only 11th busiest airoprt in China

Somehow Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Chongqing has no service, but Xiamen does ??!!

[Edited 2010-11-05 11:36:04]

User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1067 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11245 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
Somehow Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Chongqing has no service, but Xiamen does ??!!

Was quite puzzled about LH starting flights from FRA-NKG too. However, great to see smaller Chinese cities slowly being served by European airlines!



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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11187 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
totally oddity - XMN is only 11th busiest airoprt in China

Can be, but maybe , Xiamen is one of those cities with quite a lot of European investments?
Just as an example: there could be quite important Dutch, Belgian, French, British, German,... companies with important investments / daugher companies in Xiamen. Better fly there and generate some lucrative business travel than to fly to bigger cities but with less business traffic.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
totally oddity - XMN is only 11th busiest airoprt in China
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):

Somehow Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Chongqing has no service, but Xiamen does ??!!

Guangzhou no international service? CZ is flying daily ex CAN to AMS and other destinations around the world, not forgetting all the other foreign airlines serving CAN... Furthermore, LH already flies to Nanjing. Both Shenzhen and Chongqing already have cargo connections to AMS. However, where is the international connection to Europe from Xiamen?

Quoting initious (Reply 2):

Was quite puzzled about LH starting flights from FRA-NKG too. However, great to see smaller Chinese cities slowly being served by European airlines!

I don't understand why you're puzzled. Nanjing is a very important cargo destination and if I'm not mistaken some German companies have some factories close to Nanjing. Therfore it was very logical for LH to start service to NKG (and a three weekly A343 isn't much capacity).

Quoting 330lover (Reply 3):

Can be, but maybe , Xiamen is one of those cities with quite a lot of European investments?
Just as an example: there could be quite important Dutch, Belgian, French, British, German,... companies with important investments / daugher companies in Xiamen.

Philips has a factory in Xiamen if I'm not mistaken and Boskalis is also doing something there.


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10797 times:

KLm usually starts new destinations with A332s, Chengdu e.g.

Code shares exist on Ghangzhou with Southern for a long time.


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
Somehow Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Chongqing has no service, but Xiamen does ??!!

CZ has been flying CAN-PEK-AMS-PEK-CAN since 1996 with KL codesharing on the route.

SZX is very close to HKG and CAN so that's probably the main reason why there are no European flights (except cargo flights) to/from this airport.

CKG is pretty close to CTU, which is already served by KL.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10247 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 5):
KLm usually starts new destinations with A332s, Chengdu e.g.

Both Chengdu and Hangzhou were started with the B772ER. Currently Chengdu operated with A332 in the summer season and with B772ER in the winter season, albeit at a lower weekly frequency than during the summer months.

Xiamen will likely be started with B772ER and will complement Miami and the yet to be announced Buenos Aires as new additions to the KLM longhaul network in 2011.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5308 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9584 times:

What will be the frequency? 3x a week in the beginning?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 8):
What will be the frequency? 3x a week in the beginning?

I'm betting on thrice weekly B772ER.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

But is there really enough traffic to warrant a such service ?


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12599 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Clearly KLM believes there is! The are clearly sufficiently confident and pleased about their success in other Chinese markets to make a go of this one - and I'd be very surprised if this were the last "regional" Chinese route that they attempt to open; there are many, many more to choose from and by going in there, they are achieving a number of goals:

1) They are THE premier European carrier flying to China (I'm not saying they actually are now, just that this is their goal)
2) They are the FIRST into regional destinations, which means that in time, they will be seen as the "first airline that comes to mind", and not just from AMS; Schiphol is of course accessible from virtually every major airport in Europe.
3) Being the first into a destination and getting itself known means that it will be a lot more difficult for other carriers (and you can bet it has M/E carriers, not just European carriers in mind) to come onto the route in competition with it. In time, the likes of LH and others may come onto these routes, but by then, KLM will be so well known and dominant that it will have a significant advantage.

KLM presumably now has a "template" for developing Chinese regional markets, which it will have gained from opening HGH and CTU; it has a marketing strategy and it has a valuable head start in building brand loyalty in the region; you can bet that the regional authorities will be very appreciative towards KLM - and that other regional authorities seeking routes to the EU will "call KLM first".

Congrats to KLM; fortune favours the brave!


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 3):
Can be, but maybe , Xiamen is one of those cities with quite a lot of European investments?

I am a frequent traveler to Xiamen (6x yearly usually...I call that frequently considering I live half a world away), and it certainly does have lots of international, including European, investment. Not only that, but there is zero connection to Europe, so they have the entire market to themselves (minus people connecting via HKG, PEK, etc.). Sounds smart to me...it may be a "small" city, but small in China is relative...Xiamen metro area is still around 3 million people!

Does KLM do any maintenance at TAECO?


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

It's confirmed now, 3 times per week with 772

KLM launch Amsterdam – Xiamen service S11

20101201 by jimyvr Leave a Comment

From 27MAR11, KLM is launching 3 weekly Amsterdam – Xiamen service on board Boeing 777-200ER aircraft. Xiamen is KLM’s 5th destination in China.

The schedule has been loaded to the GDS today:

KL883 AMS1650 – 1015+1XMN 772 247
KL884 XMN1210 – 1830AMS 772 135

http://airlineroute.net/2010/12/01/kl-xmn-s11/#more-27532


User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
CZ has been flying CAN-PEK-AMS-PEK-CAN since 1996

And with the start of next summerseason will start additional nonstop flights between CAN and AMS with 772's

Quote from scramble.nl:

Quote:
China Southern:

Next to daily AMS-PEK-CAN a new 3x weekly AMS-CAN direct flight in de morning (CZ307/308) also operated by B777

How long will the onestop flight last with this new service? I expect that they will seperate CAN and PEK from the CZ345/6 flight and will serve both destinations daily with dedicated flights in the not to distant future...

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
Xiamen will likely be started with B772ER and will complement Miami and the yet to be announced Buenos Aires as new additions to the KLM longhaul network in 2011.


Is HAV already confirmed as new KLM destination ?

Mike


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4725 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 12):
Does KLM do any maintenance at TAECO?

IIRC the MD-11 D-checks were done in Xiamen.



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5308 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 13):
KL883 AMS1650 – 1015+1XMN 772 247
KL884 XMN1210 – 1830AMS 772 135

Outbound is great, but isnt the inbound arriving to late in AMS for EU-US-MEA connections? EU connections might still work, but still.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
Guangzhou no international service? CZ is flying daily ex CAN to AMS and other destinations around the world

There is a one-stop same-plane service CAN-PEK-AMS on the 772, indeed. Additionally, AF flies 1x daily A343 on CDG-CAN. But it's not faster than for example AMS-CDG-CAN.

But considering the major hub CZ is operating at CAN, I'm surprised there is no non-stop AMS-CAN service yet.

Quoting keesje (Reply 5):
KLm usually starts new destinations with A332s, Chengdu e.g.

I don't really see a pattern here. As mentioned by HB-IWC, CTU and HGH were started with the 772ER. PTY was started with MD11, as will MIA. The destinations I can think of that were started with the 332 are YYC, DFW; and KGL and MCT (as tag-ons)

Quoting kl911 (Reply 16):
Outbound is great, but isnt the inbound arriving to late in AMS for EU-US-MEA connections? EU connections might still work, but still.

But Europe isn't conveniently located for US-China, MEA-China or Africa-China connections anyways. So in order to be attractive to customers, they will need to offer such low fares that it isn't attractive for KLM anymore  

For EU-connections, 18:30 is perfectly fine, as practically all European destinations are served between 20:00 and 21:30, during the last big hub wave. (only AMS-PRG, operated by OK at 19:30 might just be a bit tricky).


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Great news!


Been to Xiamen, a beautiful city!



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User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 17):
But considering the major hub CZ is operating at CAN, I'm surprised there is no non-stop AMS-CAN service yet

See my post in reply #14:

Quoting flyingfool (Reply 14):
China Southern:

Next to daily AMS-PEK-CAN a new 3x weekly AMS-CAN direct flight in de morning (CZ307/308) also operated by B777


Mike


User currently offlineChrisEDDL From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 67 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 15):
Quoting sw733 (Reply 12):
Does KLM do any maintenance at TAECO?

IIRC the MD-11 D-checks were done in Xiamen.

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