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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

New feeder route begins April 5th:

AA 4197 BNA 1225-1535 JFK ER4 Daily
AA 4255 JFK 1845-2020 BNA ER4 Daily

Now bookable at AA.com.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

Good to see someone flying JFK-BNA. AA's FF base as well as connections from JFK should make this one an easy winner. Is this going to be using a slot obtained from B6?

Jeremy


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8177 times:
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This definitely has a much better shot of surviving than B6's service did. The ER4 is the right size plane for a route like this and the stage length shouldn't make the economics of operating it unreasonable. The timing of this 1x frequency seems well aligned for international connections on either end of the trip.

JBLU


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8153 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Thread starter):
Good to see someone flying JFK-BNA

It'll be interesting to see if AA can make it work. B6 and DL have both tried it and failed, so it won't be easy.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
It'll be interesting to see if AA can make it work. B6 and DL have both tried it and failed, so it won't be easy.

Agreed. This route will try to replicate what DL tried from JFK-BNA, using international connections. O&D passengers will opt to fly BNA-LGA. It will be interesting to see how AA does in comparison to B6 and DL.

Jeremy


User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Surely this has to be a placeholder for a future international flight? This flight departs and arrives at JFK at prime hours. They can't possibly "waste" this slot on an ERJ to BNA???

User currently offlineba744phx From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Off subject but does anyone know if AA will restart JFK-PHX-JFK?

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 4):
This route will try to replicate what DL tried from JFK-BNA, using international connections. O&D passengers will opt to fly BNA-LGA. It will be interesting to see how AA does in comparison to B6 and DL.

It's something that has worked for DL (and AA) in various other cities; it always puzzled me why it wasn't a winning plan in Nashville. I suspect that once you adjust for differences in service, you'd find that Nashville has somewhat less demand to Europe (and somewhat more to Asia - Japan in particular) than most cities its size, but I don't know whether that's enough to make a difference.

[Edited 2010-11-05 12:40:28]


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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

Quoting ba744phx (Reply 6):
Off subject but does anyone know if AA will restart JFK-PHX-JFK?

With DL, US, and B6 I doubt AA wants to get into a market via solely for TATL feed. DL already does that


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
AA's FF base as well as connections from JFK should make this one an easy winner. Is this going to be using a slot obtained from B6?

what base? when you've abandoned them for that long, they would've easily moved on (other than those chained down by corporate contracts).

Everyone offers 1-stop BNA-XYZ-Europe service to a billion destinations (ATL, EWR, PHL, IAD, JFK) so while it makes sense that AA doesn't want to completely cede the market - it's not exactly an undiscovered gem per se.

Glad AA is attempting some sort of JFK strategy. At least this organic growth is much more logical than the love-spread-fest at LAX to random places, mostly against CO, DL, and WN's bread-n-butter routes.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 9):
what base? when you've abandoned them for that long, they would've easily moved on (other than those chained down by corporate contracts).

What base? American is extremely strong in Nashville and has remained so even after the hub shut-down. This service now means BNA is connected to all five of AA's hubs, plus LaGuardia and Reagan. It's the extreme loyalty of AAdvantage members in the Nashville area that brought back the Admiral's Club at BNA two years ago.

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 5):
Surely this has to be a placeholder for a future international flight? This flight departs and arrives at JFK at prime hours. They can't possibly "waste" this slot on an ERJ to BNA???

The slot usage might move around, but it's not a placeholder as in being a temporary route.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

The BNA-DCA-JFK will be marketed as a through flight since the BNA-DCA-BOS is gone now.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
What base? American is extremely strong in Nashville and has remained so even after the hub shut-down.

  

It's sort of a case study in AA's network strength, actually. AA has maintained that loyalty with relatively few non-hub flights because AA has its hubs in cities with significant local markets (and in the case of BNA-LAX, particular business ties). It's important to remember, too, that BNA hasn't slowly shrunk like RDU or SJC; I think BOS is the only route they've flown in the post-hub era that they don't presently fly.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
It's sort of a case study in AA's network strength, actually. AA has maintained that loyalty with relatively few non-hub flights because AA has its hubs in cities with significant local markets (and in the case of BNA-LAX, particular business ties).

Very true.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
I think BOS is the only route they've flown in the post-hub era that they don't presently fly.

RDU and STL also, and if you count American Connection (then operated by Corporate), then ATL and TRI as well.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3630 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

"Off subject but does anyone know if AA will restart JFK-PHX-JFK?"

It was very bad for them last time.

DL has flown this route forever. Used to be a 763 with a SAN tag on! Yea!

B6 seems to do marginal at best judging by their frequency.


"What base? American is extremely strong in Nashville and has remained so even after the hub shut-down. This service now means BNA is connected to all five of AA's hubs, plus LaGuardia and Reagan. It's the extreme loyalty of AAdvantage members in the Nashville area that brought back the Admiral's Club at BNA two years ago."

I was amazed at how small an operation BNA was for them when I was down there.

The problem with the living off the past strategy for AA at BNA and RDU is that every year your loyal base gets older and smaller. Is a 20 Something in BNA or RDU loyal to AA or the larger gorilla in the room (Southwest)? That demographic is the future in these markets, not the FF from a hub that existed in the 90s. I am sure US still has a following in PIT, but 20 years from now they won't have any more relevance there than any other airline flying to their hubs.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
The problem with the living off the past strategy for AA at BNA and RDU is that every year your loyal base gets older and smaller. Is a 20 Something in BNA or RDU loyal to AA or the larger gorilla in the room (Southwest)? That demographic is the future in these markets, not the FF from a hub that existed in the 90s. I am sure US still has a following in PIT, but 20 years from now they won't have any more relevance there than any other airline flying to their hubs.

I do not believe that is as much of an issue as you might suggest.

Are younger travelers in these markets loyal to AA? Yes - absolutely. I have no clue about the relative level of loyalty versus, say, 1990, but I suspect there is still quite a strong demographic mix among loyal AA flyers in many of the airline's top markets not because of any particular personal connection to AA, but because of strong corporate travel penetration in many markets driven by AA's network itself.

As Cubsrule said, Nashville is instructive. In Nashville, AA is the heavy-hitter in two of the city's most important business markets: New York and Los Angeles. In addition to that, AA also has lots of capacity to Chicago and Washington DC, and of course tons of connections additionally available over D/FW and Miami. For entertainment industry and other commercial travelers in the region, AA is fairly attractive on that basis alone.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 15):
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
The problem with the living off the past strategy for AA at BNA and RDU is that every year your loyal base gets older and smaller. Is a 20 Something in BNA or RDU loyal to AA or the larger gorilla in the room (Southwest)? That demographic is the future in these markets, not the FF from a hub that existed in the 90s. I am sure US still has a following in PIT, but 20 years from now they won't have any more relevance there than any other airline flying to their hubs.

I do not believe that is as much of an issue as you might suggest.

Are younger travelers in these markets loyal to AA? Yes - absolutely. I have no clue about the relative level of loyalty versus, say, 1990, but I suspect there is still quite a strong demographic mix among loyal AA flyers in many of the airline's top markets not because of any particular personal connection to AA, but because of strong corporate travel penetration in many markets driven by AA's network itself.

As Cubsrule said, Nashville is instructive. In Nashville, AA is the heavy-hitter in two of the city's most important business markets: New York and Los Angeles. In addition to that, AA also has lots of capacity to Chicago and Washington DC, and of course tons of connections additionally available over D/FW and Miami. For entertainment industry and other commercial travelers in the region, AA is fairly attractive on that basis alone.

WN flies to all of these routes as well (FLL in lieu of MIA, BWI/IAD in lieu of DCA, DAL in lieu of DFW). In addition, WN offers many more N/S destinations from BNA to help leverage loyalty away from AA. Yes, AA is strong in BNA, but jfklganyc is spot on. When you draw down a hub, you are going to lose loyal customers, especially when another carrier comes in to fill the void as WN has done.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 8):
Quoting ba744phx (Reply 6):
Off subject but does anyone know if AA will restart JFK-PHX-JFK?

With DL, US, and B6 I doubt AA wants to get into a market via solely for TATL feed. DL already does that

You could arguably through CO into the mix, especially when factoring in TATL flights. There is a lot of competition on this route and B6 compounds the problem by negatively impacting yields. I'm not sure JFK really adds much that cannot be achieved via DFW, ORD, or LHR (on BA).

However, JFK is one of the cornerstone hubs and there is a fair amount of TATL options out of JFK. It would not be a surprise to see it added as AA strengthens its cornerstone strategy.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
WN flies to all of these routes as well (FLL in lieu of MIA, BWI/IAD in lieu of DCA, DAL in lieu of DFW)

For many premium customers - and in some cases especially for higher-yielding connecting and/or international customers - BWI/IAD is not a substitute for DCA, FLL is not a substitute for MIA, MDW is not a substitute for ORD, and DAL is certainly no substitute for DFW. And, again, of the two primary premium markets are based my premise on - LGA and LAX - one is not served by WN nonstop from BNA, and the other is.

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
In addition, WN offers many more N/S destinations from BNA to help leverage loyalty away from AA.

And yet, it hasn't happened - in the sense that WN has not managed to diminish or eliminate AA's strong local premium/corporate presence in BNA.

Nobody is saying that AA is as big or as "strong" overall in BNA as WN - that is obvious. WN is clearly the far, far larger airline in the market.

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
When you draw down a hub, you are going to lose loyal customers, especially when another carrier comes in to fill the void as WN

Nobody is arguing that when you draw down a hub, your capture of local loyalty will decrease. Again, that's obvious.

The original point is that despite AA's dramatic draw-down in capacity from the peak of the hub days to today, AA has managed to retain what some would argue is a disproportionately higher portion of the local high-yielding passenger loyalty precisely because of the intrinsic design of its network, which happens to include access to some of Nashville's most important business markets, plus offering premium cabins, global frequent flyer programs, international access, etc. that WN cannot offer.

[Edited 2010-11-06 09:09:49]

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
For many premium customers - and in some cases especially for higher-yielding connecting and/or international customers - BWI/IAD is not a substitute for DCA, FLL is not a substitute for MIA, MDW is not a substitute for ORD, and DAL is certainly no substitute for DFW. And, again, of the two primary premium markets are based my premise on - LGA and LAX - one is not served by WN nonstop from BNA, and the other is.

I agree with you on the international connections, for obvious reasons since WN does not offer this option yet. I also agree that BWI/IAD is not a good substitute for DCA.

However, MDW and DAL are strong options. For downtown destination business travelers, both MDW and DAL are much more convenient options and are much less prone to flight delays than DFW or ORD.

Both DFW and ORD may carry higher yielding traffic than MDW/DAL, but that is more of a function of the fact that LCCs are virtually locked out of ORD and have a very small presence at DFW and thus cannot draw down yields. It has nothing to do with the fact that ORD or DFW are in a much better location geographically for business travelers than MDW/DAL, thus warranting some type of premium yield.

Quoting commavia (Reply 17):

The original point is that despite AA's dramatic draw-down in capacity from the peak of the hub days to today, AA has managed to retain what some would argue is a disproportionately higher portion of the local high-yielding passenger loyalty precisely because of the intrinsic design of its network, which happens to include access to some of Nashville's most important business markets, plus offering premium cabins, global frequent flyer programs, international access, etc. that WN cannot offer.

Absolutely. There is no question to this. How could anyone expect WN to have a higher portion of local high-yielding passengers when they do not have a premium cabin, or expect the other legacies to carry a higher percentage of premium traffic when they have a higher percentage of flights on RJs that do not have premium cabin space to sell.

Oh, and by the way, I am not sure how true your point is when you consider that AA is running RJ's with no premium cabin to DCA, JFK, ORD and half of the flights to MIA.

[Edited 2010-11-06 09:48:10]

[Edited 2010-11-06 09:49:40]

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
Is a 20 Something in BNA or RDU loyal to AA or the larger gorilla in the room (Southwest)?

I think I'm the only 20 something in BNA on A.net (and I know plenty of other 20-somethings in BNA), so allow me to take a stab: the answer is both. Many of those that grew up here have really fond (perhaps irrationally fond) memories of flying AA in the hub days. More than that, though, WN just isn't a good option for many itineraries. I have a lot of work in Denver right now. WN is great - we fly them almost exclusively. But for travel to the west coast besides LAX and the east coast besides Florida and a few other cities, WN isn't good option. The schedules just aren't good enough. Obviously, WN isn't an option for international travel either.

The 20 something here who only goes to Florida and Chicago is probably a WN loyalist; for those of us who need WN and a legacy, AA is often that legacy - for historical reasons for some but for the network for many.

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
Yes, AA is strong in BNA, but jfklganyc is spot on. When you draw down a hub, you are going to lose loyal customers, especially when another carrier comes in to fill the void as WN has done.

Yes - and AA doesn't pick up a lot of people going to Tampa or Baltimore. But for AA, that's probably not the point. The point is to be the carrier of choice to New York and D.C. and, as a result, a strong contender for those flying to Tokyo, London, or Sao Paulo.

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
RDU and STL also, and if you count American Connection (then operated by Corporate), then ATL and TRI as well.

Who flew RDU and when?

On the subject of 3C, if you want to be really cute, you can throw MQY in too, though those flights didn't carry passengers.

Quoting EricR (Reply 18):
However, MDW and DAL are strong options. For downtown destination business travelers, both MDW and DAL are much more convenient options and are much less prone to flight delays than DFW or ORD.

Unless I need the lack of change fees or am going to somewhere really close (i.e. less than 10 minutes from DAL), the lack of nonstops is an impediment when going to the metroplex.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Yes - and AA doesn't pick up a lot of people going to Tampa or Baltimore. But for AA, that's probably not the point. The point is to be the carrier of choice to New York and D.C. and, as a result, a strong contender for those flying to Tokyo, London, or Sao Paulo.

  

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Who flew RDU and when?

Eagle flew it for years after the hubs closed down - 3x daily with SAABs.


User currently offlineChopChop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):

Just curious, how is the Admirals Club there in BNA? That's pretty impressive that AA reopened it. Generous seating capacity and amenities?

A few weeks ago, I was flying out of Philly and the lounge there was somewhat disappointing. The staff was truly wonderful and very helpful, but the lounge was rather small, with very limited seating and it was outside security  



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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 18):
However, MDW and DAL are strong options. For downtown destination business travelers, both MDW and DAL are much more convenient options and are much less prone to flight delays than DFW or ORD.

Yep. The only reason MDW is not Chicago's more desirable biz travellers' airport is that a fair share of the commerce here is in the NW suburbs, near ORD. As for the Loop, MDW is definitely more convenient.

Quoting EricR (Reply 18):
Both DFW and ORD may carry higher yielding traffic than MDW/DAL

Can't speak for Dallas as I've never been, but when comparing fares to the same destination out of MDW and ORD, they are usually identical. ORD is only higher-yielding because of international flights.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
for those of us who need WN and a legacy, AA is often that legacy

If DL hasn't yet pulled ahead, it's close.

Now, what was this thread about?  Oh, yeah, AA's single daily ERJ on BNA-JFK. I think it will do just fine- B6 didn't last because they aren't a strong brand in Tennessee. DL didn't last because they didn't need to. When flying DL internationally out of BNA, ATL is a much better connecting hub, and it's only a 40-minute ride on any of 10 daily flights (half of which are mainline). AA to JFK adds some options.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
Yes, AA is strong in BNA, but jfklganyc is spot on. When you draw down a hub, you are going to lose loyal customers, especially when another carrier comes in to fill the void as WN has done.

Yes - and AA doesn't pick up a lot of people going to Tampa or Baltimore. But for AA, that's probably not the point. The point is to be the carrier of choice to New York and D.C. and, as a result, a strong contender for those flying to Tokyo, London, or Sao Paulo.

Agreed. I am not disputing this fact.

The point we are trying to make is that since AA has drawn down BNA, WN has entered the market and developed a large loyal customer base. If / when WN enters the BNA -NY/DCA market, WN will have an easy time gathering a significant share from AA due to WN's large loyal base.

Once WN gets their hands on additional slots at DCA/LGA (and assuming they use these to fly to BNA - which is a reasonable and likely assumption), then the only advantage AA would have for BNA customers would be a single N/S connection flight to JFK. The LGA/DCA flights have no international connection opportunities.

[Edited 2010-11-06 12:14:32]

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 22):
If DL hasn't yet pulled ahead, it's close.

...but for those who go west a lot, DL's network is weak. MEM gives you almost nothing, and MSP and ATL are out of the way (not to mention the incessant schedule changes on ATLBNA that make advance planning almost impossible). DL is probably better to the east coast and within the southeast, and they are probably equal to the midwest (DL might be a bit better).

Quoting EricR (Reply 23):
If / when WN enters the BNA -NY/DCA market, WN will have an easy time gathering a significant share from AA due to WN's large loyal base.

I don't know that that's true because few (if any) business passengers are loyal to WN exclusively. WN will become an option, but not necessarily the option. AA is likely to have a frequency advantage, and NYC-originating passengers (in particular) will likely still prefer AA. Look at WN's market share on a route like DTW-BNA.



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25 RamblinMan : This is very true, and one reason AA manages to hang on to its market share in BNA. International connectivity helps DL a lot. The new service to JFK
26 DFWEagle : The current BNA-LGA schedule is transient. From December, it will be 4x daily with 2xM80 and 2xCR7, ALL of which have a First Class cabin.
27 Cubsrule : How likely would WN be to start it, though? It's not like FL has gobs and gobs of LGA slots, and there are some clearly higher priorities (e.g. STL).
28 EMBQA : They way I see this is it's only to support connections with international service at JFK as American / American Eagle no longer has any service to sp
29 RamblinMan : Well that's better- was kind of surprised to see ERJs back on that route. Too bad that's all we get from ORD. Hell, even UA has one flight on an F-ca
30 EMBQA : No.. my girlfriend and I are talking about our next trip being Europe and if we can go BNA-JFK-?? cheaper then BNA-DFW-? or BNA-ORD-? we're in.
31 Cubsrule : My money is on reallocation too, but how many new stations outside of the southeast have been connected to BNA in the past five years?
32 MSJYOP28Apilot : I think one of the problems that DL and B6 had were the JFK delays. Whenever I flew into or out of BNA, the JFK flights were always on a ground delay.
33 EMBQA : For American...? None that I know of. They only offer DFW-LAX-ORD-LGA as far as I know. I don't think you'll ever see them back like they were mid '9
34 Cubsrule : No, for Southwest.
35 MAH4546 : AA also flies from BNA to MIA, obviously, and DCA.
36 Post contains images EricR : WN will need to make a strategic decision on how to use its next pool of slots at LGA. They could either: A.) use them to compete on routes to Florid
37 Cubsrule : Agreed with your first sentence, but I'm not sold on your second. To me, STL is the obvious first priority. From there, I think I might put HOU and p
38 EricR : Isn't HOU outside the perimeter? Wouldn't STL provide the same connecting traffic flows as MCI?[Edited 2010-11-06 19:34:37]
39 Cubsrule : Nope. It's 1400 miles and some change. Not really. MCI has a stronger network to points west of Missouri than does STL, while STL is better to Oklaho
40 runner13 : Not always. The FAA issues times to the airlines and then the airlines issue the delays to each flight looking at many factors. Mainline usually alwa
41 Cubsrule : Certainly not - but doesn't it usually work out for most passengers? Ground delays at the hub are much different from ground delays at the outstation
42 FlyingSicilian : No, in fact IIRC AA used to run AUS-HOU-LGA since AUS was outside the perimeter. edit-I see someone already answered you
43 RamblinMan : Denver. That's the only one anybody should have expected though. MSP and MKE are quite small, but I expect service to BNA from both in the next 5 yea
44 runner13 : When I was a gate agent I used to think that. "Oh every flight is delayed you'll be fine" Not the case. Ground delays are put in at hubs because they
45 Cubsrule : You had me until that point - paid F comes with THREE checked bags (and the day-of kiosk upgrades come with at least two). PHL, too (or was that more
46 runner13 : Happened twice on my honeymoon. Was flying to SJU out of BNA. They said in BNA that I had to pay because I was flying on a regional plane to ORD. The
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