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We Were On The 787 Dreamliner And The DreamLifter  
User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 182 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16860 times:

This week I had the honor of participating in the Star Alliance Mega DO 2 which is sponsored and organized by another site. While the trip itself started in JFK and went on to FRA to meet with Lufthansa senior management, I caught up with the group in Houston Wednesday, and Thursday we met with the new management of UA/CO.

Friday morning, we went on to PHX in a chartered 757-300 and met with US Airways senior management including Doug Parker. From there, we went on to PAE (Yes we landed at PAE) and 150 of us were treated to the VIP tour of the Boeing Assembly Plant, which included a visit ON BOARD ZA003, 787 number 3. We were told we are the first members of the general public (meaning airline customers) to be allowed on board a Dreamliner--it was MOST impressive.

We were also treated to a visit on board one of the Dream Lifters -- I can only imagine what kind of party we could have on that, but the cargo area is not pressurized.

Walking the factory floor we also saw a 747-8i under final assembly, as well as a number of 787's (LN 27, 28 and 29) of which 2 were for Air India and one for JAL.

It was an amazing experience, and a really beautiful aircraft. I think you are going to really like the cabin, although what we saw was a rough model.

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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16743 times:

Oh.. what a cruel tease.. to know that some general public has already been on the girls.. I'm jealous!


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16644 times:

Don't feel bad, ERJ, according to Boeing we were the first group to be allowed on board.
Unfortunately we were not permitted to take photos, but a number of photos were taken of us by Boeing Staff and I will try to get those when they are released to us.

Someone did get a shot of our 757-300 landing at PAE though.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16644 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Thread starter):
We were also treated to a visit on board one of the Dream Lifters -- I can only imagine what kind of party we could have on that, but the cargo area is not pressurized.


Why is the cargo area (compartment) not pressurized?


User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16595 times:

The way it was explained to us, since the cargo hold only holds the components for the 787, there was no need to add pressure bulkheads and seal the compartment--also interesting was the fact that while inside you could see daylight out of the joint between the fuselage and swing out tail -- which they said was by design...

I just hope Ryan Air doesn't get the idea to order a few and put 2,125 of those "stand up" seats in....  


User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16594 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
I'm jealous!

You are jealous,I may be from the Emerald Isle,but I am even greener than that!!!!!!. Pity about the photos,but please post them when you can ,I look forward to seeing them.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16515 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):
Why is the cargo area (compartment) not pressurized?

There's no need to:

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 4):
The way it was explained to us, since the cargo hold only holds the components for the 787, there was no need to add pressure bulkheads and seal the compartment

But, beyond that, there's a major reason *not* to...a lot of fuselage loading is pressurization. The Dreamlifters are already packing around a huge amount of extra structure in the form of the "bulge"...that would get even heavier if it had to contain pressurization loads. So, by not pressurizing, they actually improve the performance without compromising the mission.

Tom.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16414 times:

By Bad! I thought you were talking Dreamliner cargo compartment?

User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 968 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16143 times:
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I'm one of those lucky ones who had a chance to participate in this event. I was totally blown away by factory floor visit (B748i, B767, B777, B787 lines, and B787 viciously looking structural test rig), B787 first hand experience, and out of this world visit to Dreamlifter's belly. As we drove to ZA003 we saw how a pair of B787 wings were offloaded from another Dreamlifter.

B787 is so amazing that I had to touch the plane as I approached it. It's real!   The cabin is awesome, side walls almost not curved at all, windows are big (I measured their height which was from the tips of my fingers to my elbow, cca 19"), LCD shades are awesome and work great (it's a test aircraft so boy did we test it!). Cabin ligthing is also amazing - bright but very refreshing (and that was only one of hundreds of available color/brightness options). We learned a lot about this awesome aircraft and I can't wait to get a chance to fly on it. And then the cockpit... just one big wow. I mean wow! I can't find words to describe it.

And one more thing. We returned on CO's B753 this morning. We were very light (about one third full) and we had a real rocket style take off. I know there's a term "angle of attack", but what we experienced this morning was an angle of massive attack.   I will post the videos to FL350 soon.

I just wanted to give one big thanks to Boeing.

BEG2IAH

[Edited 2010-11-06 17:27:55]

[Edited 2010-11-06 17:29:20]


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User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14703 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Thread starter):
I can only imagine what kind of party we could have on that, but the cargo area is not pressurized.


Dude! Less o2 = less booze!

Seriously, neat experience and thanks for relating it.


RR


User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14453 times:

I also participated in this event and the tour at Boeing was indeed an absolutely amazing and unforgettable experience.
BTW, I did not want to leave the 787. It's going to be a whole new experience.

Below are some pictures:


Me lying inside an engine...


Deplaning at PHX


Still deplaning at PHX...


Yup, still deplaning at PHX


Deplaning at PAE...




To fly, or not to fly: that is the question
User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14081 times:

Great experience, thanks for relating it. But the question is, were you informed of any further delays ? Or, are sealed lips expected ?


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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13679 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Thread starter):
150 of us were treated to the VIP tour of the Boeing Assembly Plant, which included a visit ON BOARD ZA003, 787 number 3. We were told we are the first members of the general public (meaning airline customers) to be allowed on board a Dreamliner--it was MOST impressive.
Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
I'm one of those lucky ones who had a chance to participate in this event. I was totally blown away by factory floor visit (B748i, B767, B777, B787 lines...
Quoting BigMac (Reply 10):
I also participated in this event and the tour at Boeing was indeed an absolutely amazing and unforgettable experience.

Wow...  Wow! Can one of you guys please hire me to work for one of your airlines so that I can be on the next tour?  


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11271 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 4):
pressure bulkheads and seal the compartment--also interesting was the fact that while inside you could see daylight out of the joint between the fuselage and swing out tail -- which they said was by design...

I was just on the Dreamlifter at JFK. That pressure bulkhead is some chunk of metal!...something you might expect to see in a submarine. What also impressed me was the skin fasteners....all were pan head rivets, giant doubler patches held on with 12 point BOLTS!. Not a very clean surface but then again due to the strange, obviously not too streamlined shape...perhaps the bolts and pan heads doubled as vortex generators...???...either way...quite an aircraft.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11246 times:

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
(I measured their height which was from the tips of my fingers to my elbow

How many readers just looked at their arm to determine the window size?...just curious...I bet 100%...LOL


User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 864 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 14):
How many readers just looked at their arm to determine the window size?...just curious...I bet 100%...LOL

I did. Based on that, the illustrations in the Boeing ads might just be realistic. But after the shark fin tail fiasco and all that, I'll wait till I see the real thing. I'm pleased they have individual window dimming as an option. Someone else messing with my view would have been a major irritation.

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
I know there's a term "angle of attack", but what we experienced this morning was an angle of massive attack.

Might have been, but to nit-pick, angle of attack is the angle between the wing chord (line joining leading and trailing edges) and the oncoming air, not the horizontal. So a cruise-missile type take-off will have an impressive "deck angle" (i.e. fuselage vs the ground), but it will still at the optimum A of A (i.e. wing vs airflow).

Regards - musang


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2593 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8273 times:
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Quoting Art at ISP (Thread starter):
It was an amazing experience
Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
I'm one of those lucky ones

Thanks to both of you for sharing your experiences with us.   

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
rocket style take off

It happened all the time when fuel was fairly cheap.
The -75's can climb-out like a 720B when lightly loaded. Love it!   



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlinejeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Thread starter):
Friday morning, we went on to PHX in a chartered 757-300 and met with US Airways senior management including Doug Parker

Is US airways at all interested in the 787?



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 968 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6952 times:
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Quoting AZA330 (Reply 12):
Can one of you guys please hire me to work for one of your airlines so that I can be on the next tour?

Most (if not all) of us don't work for airlines. We are just frequent travellers.
 
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 14):
How many readers just looked at their arm to determine the window size?...just curious...I bet 100%...LOL

  That was the only way I could measure the window size, but now I see it actually makes more sense than I thought. And one more thing I forgot to mention is that walls do look thinner than on aluminum aircraft.

Quoting musang (Reply 15):
Might have been, but to nit-pick, angle of attack is the angle between the wing chord (line joining leading and trailing edges) and the oncoming air, not the horizontal. So a cruise-missile type take-off will have an impressive "deck angle" (i.e. fuselage vs the ground), but it will still at the optimum A of A (i.e. wing vs airflow).

I still think it was pretty steep (airflow-wise) since they levelled off after 8-10 seconds. We probably lost some speed pretty fast.

Quoting jeffrey1970 (Reply 17):
Is US airways at all interested in the 787?

Maybe someone else can help on that one. I was in a small group which visited Lufthansa's training center in Phoenix. I thought visiting this great flight school and flying in a simulator would be more interesting.   I'm glad I didn't crash.

BEG2IAH



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Thread starter):
This week I had the honor of participating in the Star Alliance Mega DO 2 which is sponsored and organized by another site. While the trip itself started in JFK and went on to FRA to meet with Lufthansa senior management, I caught up with the group in Houston Wednesday, and Thursday we met with the new management of UA/CO.

Wow... you were one of the lucky participants. I have bee a member on that site since 2002 (not in the same name as here as Concorde was still in service) though I never got to participate to a Sar Mega-Do. I knew of a few people participating to both events.

The only thing I do not like about this are the participants that keep bragging about their travel in the First Class cabin while the others have to fly in Economy if they can make the event at all.

I would have liked to have a picture in one of the engines. That is one I never got to do in my many years of flying.

I have seen the 787 at Farnborough though I could not get on board. I hope I will be on the inaugural commercial flights in Japan.

I am sure you all really had a nice time. The charter flight must have been a giant party.



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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 18):
Quoting AZA330 (Reply 12):
Can one of you guys please hire me to work for one of your airlines so that I can be on the next tour?

Most (if not all) of us don't work for airlines. We are just frequent travellers.
 

I see... well... just substitute "airlines" with "companies" in my previous statement   
Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 18):
I thought visiting this great flight school and flying in a simulator would be more interesting.   I'm glad I didn't crash.

Great... you flew in a simulator too. Now I am even more envious. Haha  

Seriously.. I am very glad you got to do all of that. It must have been amazing!


User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting jeffrey1970 (Reply 17):
Is US airways at all interested in the 787?

Having a significant order for A350, my guess is no. The visits to Phoenix and to Everett were unrelated other than that they were part of the same event.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
The charter flight must have been a giant party.

Madame, you would be correct and then some  


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4312 times:
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Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
B787 is so amazing that I had to touch the plane as I approached it. It's real!  

Pretty cool, right? What I found cool was how tapping on the 787 felt like tapping on one of my college racing shells. Same as a boat hull.  
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 14):

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 8):
(I measured their height which was from the tips of my fingers to my elbow

How many readers just looked at their arm to determine the window size?...just curious...I bet 100%...LOL

LOL. Size....its all relative. That's what she said!  

Thanks for starting the thread, ARt@ISP. I saw the roll out and felt up the plane and you discovered the innards.

Looking forward to whats to come.



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