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MIA Strengthens European Links (article)  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Decent article in the Miami Herald about the sudden boom in new European links from MIA in the past year and upcoming year. Particularly since hitting a low of only 8 European destinations served non-stop in 2008. By summer 2011, that number will be up to 15 next summer.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/0...mi-strengthens-european-links.html

The growth MIA has seen since October 2008 has seen:

Oct08: Lufthansa 6w DUS
Jun09: Air Europa 1w TFN
Mar10: Lufthansa 3w MUC
Mar10: Air Europa 4w MAD
Jun10: Corsairfly 2w ORY
Jun10: Alitalia 3w MXP
Oct10: Lufthansa +2w MUC (5w), +1w DUS (7w)
Oct10: Transaero 2w DME
Nov10: Air Berlin 2w TXL
Mar11: Iberia 3w BCN
Mar11: KLM 4w AMS
Apr11: Air Europa +1w MAD (5w)
Apr11: American +7w MAD (14w)
Apr11: Corsairfly +1w ORY (3w)
May11: Air Berlin +1w TXL (3w)
Jun11: Arkefly 2w AMS

That translates to 45 new weekly flights to Europe, and five new European airlines.

However, it should be noted not all of the new service is brand-new capacity.

Iberia's new thrice-weekly BCN service replaces a thrice-weekly second MAD frequency (but will operate year-round, whereareas that second MAD frequency was seasonal). Air Berlin has added non-stops to Berlin, but ended non-stops to Munich and total capacity is flat with what it was operating in summer 2008. KLM's four weekly Amsterdam flights replace Martinair's five weekly Amsterdam flights and also comes before Air France is set to reduce total seat capacity (but increase premium seat capacity by adding a Y+ cabin) as a result of switching from the 747-400 to 777-300. Alitalia added thrice weekly to Milan, but reduced Rome service from daily to 6x a week and went to a 767 during the summer, so only a net gain of two flights a week and only 90 extra seats per week during the summer (but the 772 to Rome does return for the winter). So among the existing carriers, it is only Lufthansa that has significantly piled on more capacity to MIA, going from 7w 744 to 7w 744/7w 333/5w 343.


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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Read the article, interesting times ahead for MIA, wonder if the airport can start investing in the Asian market, TK or EK perhaps?

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
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Delta will add MIA to LHR with a 767 this Spring. This is possible by the BA/AA ATI giving slots to another airline from MIA & BOS to LHR.

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Delta will add MIA to LHR with a 767 this Spring.

Does that make any sense at all? I believe this route is well served with AA, BA and VS already...

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Oct10: Transaero 2w DME

Any news on the results of these flights? I understand the 777 has a 4-class configuration and the first load was 260 passengers.

I went to the airport to spot the arrival of the first flight and I was quite impressed to see the aircraft go to the Presidential Parking Spot instead of a normal gate...

Thanks for sharing!

797



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
KLM's four weekly Amsterdam flights replace Martinair's five weekly Amsterdam flights

That is impressive, congratulations to MIA!!! Regarding the AMS flights, I'll take replacing one airline on the route (MP) with two airlines (KL & OR) any day 

A388


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
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Quoting 797 (Reply 3):
Does that make any sense at all? I believe this route is well served with AA, BA and VS already...

From the AA, BA and Virgin angle, NO. Delta is a large airline all over Florida while AA is only big at MIA, so why not try it with all the FF they have in Florida. DL is probably the second biggest US airline in Miami.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 3):
Does that make any sense at all? I believe this route is well served with AA, BA and VS already...

Its a big route. Its MIA largest international route there is still room for a 767. DL got slots from AA/BA for BOS/MIA-LHR so why not try it and see if it works. DL does have a decent FF base in the South Florida area.


Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
DL is probably the second biggest US airline in Miami.

It is by a long shot. DL flys from MIA to: ATL, RDU, MEM, DTW, MSP, CVG, JFK, DCA and soon LHR.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 1):
Read the article, interesting times ahead for MIA, wonder if the airport can start investing in the Asian market, TK or EK perhaps?

TK and EK are just a matter of time.

Quoting 797 (Reply 3):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Delta will add MIA to LHR with a 767 this Spring.

Does that make any sense at all? I believe this route is well served with AA, BA and VS already...

It does make sense. The route can easily use another 1-2 daily flights, and Delta is filling that void. It's a huge local market, larger than most Miami-South America markets.

Quoting 797 (Reply 3):
Any news on the results of these flights? I understand the 777 has a 4-class configuration and the first load was 260 passengers.

So far, I'm told it is doing well. It is actually being launched off-peak, because Miami-Russia is busiest during the summer months.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):

Wasn't it mentioned that TK will be launching service to MIA next year and that the deal was done at routes in Vancouver?


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 6):
DL does have a decent FF base in the South Florida area.

Isn't that mostly around FLL rather than MIA?


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 9):
Isn't that mostly around FLL rather than MIA?


It is still the Miami metro area. FLL has very little non-stop service to Europe and non on main stream carriers. A DL FF in FLL area will gladly go down to MIA for a MIA-LHR non-stop then a FLL-ATL/JFK-LHR. Also there are still plenty closer to MIA. Not like AA FF base but still DL does fly multiple dailys to JFK for which involve many european connections, and also MIA-DCA a route which is almost strictly O/D. DL is big in Florida including the miami metro area.



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User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Can I just say something about what always drove me nuts about my European friends and Miami? They all want to (or already have) visit... but they all think it's a SUMMER destination! I try explaining that summer is the worst time to, due to hurricanes, humidity, heat, thunderstorms... but they just don't seem to realize just HOW far south it is. Last time I went down there for winter vacation, I got a bunch of puzzled messages on my facebook wall, asking "why would you want to go to the beach in the cold?"

Anyhow, just a funny story... hopefully it's just my friends, and not most europeans who are planning their first or second trip to the US!


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

With these massive increases in service where is the demand coming from? Doubling of nonstop service within two years is pretty extreme, especially when very little of it South Florida is not one of the fastest growing areas of the country yet it's gaining service like no other. What makes MIA so much different than other high O&D markets in this economy?

Jeremy


User currently offlineChopChop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):

A good amount of the traffic might be originating in South American and connecting through MIA. I realize that many European carriers have nonstop service, however, MIA is certainly well placed to serve that market. What is more, the o&d traffic is still strong too.

Looking at the list,

Frankly, I was a little disappointed to see AA adding so little from MIA to Europe as it really is a fortress hub for them. I reached gold with them this year and have found there service to be pretty good. Of course, equipment limitations exist for the carrier, but their conservative stance on adding destinations is bothersome, given, as mentioned, I suspect they could compete with low fares to connect South America and Europe. Given one worlds stength in South America, and the rapidly growing economy, it seems like it would be a slam dunk for AA  



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
With these massive increases in service where is the demand coming from? Doubling of nonstop service within two years is pretty extreme, especially when very little of it South Florida is not one of the fastest growing areas of the country yet it's gaining service like no other. What makes MIA so much different than other high O&D markets in this economy?

What doubling of non-stop service? What has doubled is the number of destinations served. Capacity is up a fair amount, but it has not doubled whatsoever.

Alitalia, Air Berlin, and Air France-KLM Group have found ways to add destinations and/or frequency, but have kept capacity fairly in check. For comparisons sake, in 2001, the then-not-merged Air France-KLM had 21 weekly trans-Atlantic flights (14w CDG and 7w AMS). This summer it has only 11 weekly flights (7w CDG, 4w AMS). In 2001, Iberia had double daily to Madrid (one with a 747-200). This coming summer it is daily to Madrid and thrice weekly to Barcelona. Again, capacity is down. In 2003, American Airlines had four daily flights between Miami and Europe, the same exact amount it will have in 2011 (though the difference being in 2003 it was double-daily to London; now it is double-daily to Madrid).

Lufthansa is the only airline that has substantially added capacity, but it also scored a major cruise/travel company contract that demanded such capacity.

Arkefly and Corsairfly are scheduled carriers, but largely rely on selling vacation packages, much like Allegiant, and create demand that previously did not exist through their affordable priced holiday packages.

Historically, the market has been underserved for the past decade, with little capacity growth while the market size has grown quite a bit, especially since 2005.

In U.S-originating travel, Miami is the seventh largest U.S.-Europe market; but in Europe-originating travel, Miami is the second largest market. Just over one out of every 10 Europeans headed to the United States arrives in Miami, secondly only to NYC (just under 3 out of every 10 go to NYC).

Naturally there is also a lot of connecting traffic flowing from Latin America and the Caribbean; Latin America-Europe in particular a booming market right now. Furthermore, since the early 1990's Miami has continued to a very popular destination for European immigrants coming to America, and Russians and Italians especially continue to migrate here, creating more VFR demand. There is also the effect of European immigrants who migrated to South America first, and then to Miami, especially Italians in Argentina and the Portuguese in Venezuela; so previous demand from South American countries has shifted up to Miami. Look at where much of Miami's population growth over the past decade has come from: migration from middle and upper-class South Americans, many of whom themselves, parents or grandparents, migrated from Portugal, Spain and Italy.

We've likely seen the bulk of the growth, although there is talk that Austrian and Turkish are coming in 2011.

And now with Amsterdam and Barcelona served, Miami's largest unserved trans-Atlantic markets, and a local market larger than destinations including Berlin, Moscow, Munich and Zurich, is Copenhagen, with a market of over 200 daily O&D passengers.

[Edited 2010-11-08 12:58:26]


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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Does it make much sense for OS to come to MIA considering that LH now flies MUC 5x Weekly year-round? Would it not be just cannibalizing traffic, if LH would allow OS to come in the market? Keep in mind that when OS annouced its interest in serving the MIA market LH did not have servcie to MUC yet. In the 90's when OS flew here it was as a tag-on from MUC, is the market big enough to support VIE nonstop?

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 15):
Keep in mind that when OS annouced its interest in serving the MIA market LH did not have servcie to MUC yet.

Yes, it did. Austrian publicly stated Miami was in the cards in May 2010, after Lufthansa had launched Munich service.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 15):
is the market big enough to support VIE nonstop?

Absolutely. Vienna is Miami's third largest U.S. O&D market after New York and Washington. Thrice weekly non-stops could easily fill, combined with Vienna's unique position as an excellent hub to Eastern Europe.

With Austrian now under the Lufthansa family, Lufthansa will clearly want to keep capacity in check at MIA. At the same time, it will not want to stifle growth from Austrian, and Miami makes perfect sense for Austrian to expand trans-Atlantic. Reduce DUS back to 6w and MUC back to 3w, and bam, Lufthansa can add MIA-VIE with capacity remaining flat and the Vienna hub now connected to an important local market for Austrian travelers and a strong feeder market to the unique Eastern European destinations served via Vienna.

[Edited 2010-11-08 15:58:29]


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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 1):
Asian market, TK

The Istanbul international Airport (where TK operates) is located in Europe as far as I understand? So we would be missing IST as an European destination, but to make geography sensibilities soft, call it Eurasia...

TK would be a fantastic addition to MIA; I know they are expanding to several US-destinations once their new 777's and 330's are delivered.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Quoting nycdave (Reply 11):
Last time I went down there for winter vacation, I got a bunch of puzzled messages on my facebook wall, asking "why would you want to go to the beach in the cold?"

Hehehehehe.... It does get quite cold down here.... Last January was downright frigid... woke up to 30 something degree mornings a few times.

And of course, to those of us who live here year-round, anytime the temp dips below 70, it's time to break out the heavy winter coats!


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 17):
TK would be a fantastic addition to MIA; I know they are expanding to several US-destinations once their new 777's and 330's are delivered.

TK is looking very likely according to my sources at MIA, aiming for October/November 2011 launch.

It would certainly be a great addition because it can tap into the decently sized Miami-Istanbul local market, and Istanbul is a great hub for the Middle East and, increasingly, eastern Europe. Plus Turkish has an incredibly low cost structure that it has been using to its advantage in creating an immense global network, which will certainly allow it to offer excellent fares to MIA at a higher profit margin than its competitors.

THY's CEO has said on several occasions in the last few months - including just yesterday - that Miami is on its radar.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1640 times:
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Where is the third BA LHR to MIA flight flown by BA airplanes plus the one or two AA flights ?

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1617 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):

What doubling of non-stop service? What has doubled is the number of destinations served. Capacity is up a fair amount, but it has not doubled whatsoever.

I was referring simply to destinations served, not seats offered.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):

Historically, the market has been underserved for the past decade, with little capacity growth while the market size has grown quite a bit, especially since 2005.

That answers my question.

Jeremy


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