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Norwegian Gets 787 For Delivery Fall 2012  
User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15410 times:

Bjørn Kjos has announced that Norwegian is to take delivery of two 787s during the fall of 2012 for use in their long haul startup. The company is negotiating delivery for another four to six aircraft. Source:

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/article3895143.ece (in norwegian)

Google translation: http://translate.google.com/translat...inans%2Farticle3895143.ece&act=url

Very cool!!      
How did they get these delivery slots?

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User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15373 times:

Quote from (google translated) article:

"Norwegian has said that the company will start flights to Asia and the United States no later than summer 2011. The new Dreamliner aircraft to deliver not until 2012.

What airlines will do in the meantime is still unclear.

- We are working on with the possibility of initiation of long-distance routes in 2011. There is certainly potential for short leases in a transition phase, before the aircraft we have agreed today is available to us, "says Kjos in the press release. "

They are holding a press conference today at 1530 (CET), hopefully some questions will be answered then...


User currently offlinemckvakk From Norway, joined Mar 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15334 times:

Norwegian Newspaper vg.no has a rendering of the plane in DY colors. Looks nice:
http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10010640


User currently offlineaviationweek From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15310 times:

This move could put further pressure on rivals, such as struggling SAS, but also cut into business Finnair has been capturing.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15152 times:

Looks good in DY colours; whose picture is on the tail?

I'm just wondering how DY will get these during the timeframe suggested; presumably it's through a lessor rather than directly, but given the rumours of more delays to the programme, it's quite a risk. Presumably they will use 767s as an interim solution?


User currently offlinemckvakk From Norway, joined Mar 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15082 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
Looks good in DY colours; whose picture is on the tail?

Difficult to see, but it looks like Erik Bye - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Bye


User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15081 times:

Quoting aviationweek (Reply 3):
This move could put further pressure on rivals, such as struggling SAS, but also cut into business Finnair has been capturing.

Indeed.. I especially wonder how the cooperation with Finnair will develop from here.

These are exciting times for Scandinavian aviation. Norwegian might be timing this very well: if SAS becomes a Lufthansa subsidiary within a couple of years, there would only really be NAS and Finnair left (perhaps FeelAir too, but it's been awfully quiet from that camp for a while now).


User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15059 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
I'm just wondering how DY will get these during the timeframe suggested; presumably it's through a lessor rather than directly, but given the rumours of more delays to the programme, it's quite a risk. Presumably they will use 767s as an interim solution?

They are getting them through ILFC (ref. the article at vg.no). Good question re the interim lift and the time frame.


User currently offlinebBiter From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15039 times:

Accordin to VG, the 2 aircratf are being leased from ILFC. I guess that explains the early delivery.

User currently offlinebBiter From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15007 times:

As for interim aircraft, I bet DY will try to get hold of som 767s. Their CEO likes Boeing products over Airbus and has hinted at this on numerous occasions.

User currently offlineflynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14643 times:

Here is the press release from Norwegian, in English.

http://www.norwegian.com/about-norwe...1f5f7e46c&typeofmedia=pressrelease

Very exciting times for Scandinavian aviation!

I had the impression that SK tried to delay Norwegian's long haul plans by starting up OSL-EWR next year. But apparentely not.

Maybe we can speculate that first route will be Bangkok?


User currently offlineaerobus12 From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

I love the 787, but I think Feelair will have an advantage with that late delivery.

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14160 times:

Quoting mckvakk (Reply 2):
Norwegian Newspaper vg.no has a rendering of the plane in DY colors. Looks nice:
http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?...10640

Looks very nice, but it is not really clear yet, if the longhaul equipment will have the same livery as the short haul. Mr. Bjørn Kjos has said previously that the longhaul part will get a different name, but still have the word Norwegian in it. Time will show  

Norwegian is apparently in the closing stages of making a deal for another 4 - 6 Dreamliners. The announced deal for the two already down is for 12 years leasing period.


By the way,,, where is all our pessimistic Danish friends ??? --- Picking their jaws from the floor  Smile

[Edited 2010-11-08 09:50:14]

User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13922 times:
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I think it is great that DY finally does something else than just talk about long haul flights  

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I have not seen anything that states that the the 787's will fly out of OSL. if it is true that the long haul subsidiary will be registered on the Stockholm stock exchange, maybe that first flights will be out of ARN??

AFIK Feelair has landing rights in NYC, DY has not. But DY has traffic rights which Feelair has not so maybe the will cooperate on the long haul flights??

Exiting times for sure  



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13851 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 13):
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I have not seen anything that states that the the 787's will fly out of OSL. if it is true that the long haul subsidiary will be registered on the Stockholm stock exchange, maybe that first flights will be out of ARN??

Bjørn Kjos has stated recently tht the company will be listed on the Oslo stockechange. However that does'nt mean that it can't be listed on Stockholm stockechange aswell.


User currently offlinebrissedk From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13495 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 12):
By the way,,, where is all our pessimistic Danish friends ??? --- Picking their jaws from the floor

Right here... and certainly not biting the floor. I'm very excited about this news, and happy that they finally firmed something. Until this point, it has been all talk, and frankly that doesn't get you very far in aviation. Now we just need to now where they will fly these birds (and yes, I know all about the NY and BKK talk...)

It's just too bad that we won't see it in CPH anytime soon.

Regards,
BJ

P.S.
Danish sceptisism is just as prevalent when it comes to Norwegian aviation, as Norwegian/Swedish sceptisism is when it comes to Danish aviation. Anyone who says otherwise either hasn't read these forums or is an ignorant fool.

[Edited 2010-11-08 11:06:27]


Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13157 times:

I wonder how long it will be before other lccs take the plunge and give long haul a go.
Good luck to norweigen im sure they will do very well


User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

Quoting garynor (Thread starter):
Norwegian Gets 787 For Delivery Fall 2012

And they will get Business class as well
Samtidig åpnet Norwegian-sjef Bjørn Kjos for en business-class



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User currently offlineCaptSkibi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12988 times:

I certainly hope they give the passengers increased seat pitch over their 737's. For shorter flights, the seat pitch is a little okay (about what I get on a DL DC-9), but I wouldn't want that on a longer flight (>4 hours)!


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User currently offlineflynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12761 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 12):
y the way,,, where is all our pessimistic Danish friends ??? --- Picking their jaws from the floor
Quoting brissedk (Reply 15):
Right here... and certainly not biting the floor.

Haha, no need to bite that floor. As a Swede living in Skåne (which makes me half-danish??) I feel an obligation to help with some healthy Norwegian bashing when their national pride gets to unbearable  

Therefore, I can point out that it is a letter of intent that has been signed. It is not a formal agreement. Much can change before 2012.

But I agree, it is nice to see some progress from Norwegian   I really hope they will be able to start long haul. Always good with healthy competition!


Flynorth

[Edited 2010-11-08 11:56:15]

User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12656 times:

Very exciting news 

I just hope Norwegian knows that intercontinental, is a different game....

What about 2011? 757, 767 or maybe A330?

Peter



I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11803 times:

If this comes true, Oslo Gadermoen airport will be one of the first airports in the world with two scheduled operators using the 787; DY + TUI Fly Nordic.

Tokyo Narita and Haneda will proabably be the first


Happy spotting  http://forum.scanair.no/showthread.php?t=75806&page=2


User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11772 times:

Quoting brissedk (Reply 15):
Now we just need to now where they will fly these birds (and yes, I know all about the NY and BKK talk...)


There is a pdf-document attached to the press release (in norwegian http://www.mynewsdesk.com/files/ee0f...ument/dreamliner_fact_sheet_3.pdf) in which there is a graphic showing the 787's range from Oslo. Perhaps the cities shown are a good indication of destinations to come? These include Shanghai, Bangkok, Singapore, Phuket, Islamabad, Cape Town, Rio de Janeiro, Miami, and San Francisco (but strangely enough not NYC).

Some of these seem to be really at the edge of the envelope, could a 788 do these city pairs year round without a fuel stop?


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11571 times:

In the attached fact sheet to press release there is map with a few cities plotted and in the body text there is also more destinations mentioned in addition to New York City and Bangkok - and they are:
San Francisco, Miami, Rio de Janeiro, Cape Town, Islamabad, Phuket, Shanghai and Singapore (in the map)
Rio de Janeiro, Singapore, Cape Town and San Francisco (in the text)

Are some of these destinations next in line to be added after New York City and Bangkok?

The map also indicate the range for B788s to be around 11,000 km (Boeing is their specifications has stated 14,200 - 15,200 km), so it looks like Norwegian Intercontinental want to limit their flights to around 12 hours maximum. The fact sheet also mention in a 'en passant' Las Palmas as a possible destination. I think we may also see the Dreamliner used for medium haul destinations that is a bit long-legged for their B738 like Dubai (DXB) and Las Palmas (LPA).


User currently offlinekevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Quoting brissedk (Reply 15):
Until this point, it has been all talk, and frankly that doesn't get you very far in aviation

Indeed. And while this no doubt takes DY further, as pointed out abovea lot can happen in two years. But looks better than ever, still though - what I'd hope to see soon is concrete plans for the interim 2011-2012- summer is a little more than half a year away, would be a good idea to start loading some schedules, destinations etc. to get in early summer bookers.

Quoting brissedk (Reply 15):

P.S.
Danish sceptisism is just as prevalent when it comes to Norwegian aviation, as Norwegian/Swedish sceptisism is when it comes to Danish aviation. Anyone who says otherwise either hasn't read these forums or is an ignorant fool.

Well said.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 21):
Tokyo Narita and Haneda will proabably be the first

Oh yes, I''m sure they'd bump BA or JAL for a few neat slot pairs to DY...forget it.. If SK could get the slots, I'm sure they'd do ARN-NRT and possibly also OSL-NRT already

In another thread, some members in here were very supportive of a nonstop Oslo-Rio..how about that??  

But good luck to DY, hope to see their 787's at CPH eventually..!

Kevin777  



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
25 NAS738 : IMO we'll probably see other US east coast destinations like MIA or MCO. That should be perfect for Scandinavian holidaymakers going to see Disney wor
26 RedChili : I'd hate to rain on this parade, but I can see a few clouds gathering... Firstly, I sincerely doubt that the planes will be delivered in fall 2012. It
27 SKAirbus : I doubt CPH will get Norwegian long haul services.... Their short haul base is winding down and the long haul market is pretty saturated. I think it i
28 Post contains links kanban : here's another business journal perspective... when I first read it I thought it was a done deal... guess it's not yet http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2
29 Mortyman : I'm not sure if you understood my comment here Kevin... What I wrote was simply that Oslo Gardermoen looks like it will be one of the first airports
30 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Which was subsequently denied by Boeing. There is a lot of confusion now surrounded whether or not the airlines that made the announcements (JL &
31 Post contains links garynor : Well, søta bror, this Norwegian struggled too... perhaps they moved it or I copied wrong. Anyhow, second attempt: http://www.mynewsdesk.com/files/ee
32 kanban : thanks... looks like they can just make Hawaii with a light load.
33 Post contains images garpd : The 787 looks rather dashing in Norwegian colours:
34 SKAirbus : I hope Norwegian will introduce a new livery ahead of the 787 delivery.. Although distinctive, the colours are very old-looking and are far too busy..
35 MAH4546 : A significant number of new slots will be be becoming available at Narita over the next three years. It will not be a problem to get slots. Miami mak
36 EBGflyer : [quote=SKAirbus,reply=27]long haul destination considering that it is the second largest airport in the nordic region[/ I don't think it matters wheth
37 RedChili : Are you sure that some of the TUI 787s will be stationed at OSL? I was under the impression that most of them will go to the UK and German bases. Con
38 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Hi EGBflyer OSL is now almost equal to ARN when it comes to international traffic. Take a look at the current IC capacity from ARN and compare it to
39 Burkhard : If need to lease a 767 for a year, they should provide the possibility to extend the lease for the unlik Well the nearest competing airplane types are
40 RedChili : It depends upon the meaning of the word "nearest." If nearest is about size, i.e. "the airplane which in size is nearest to the 788," you're correct
41 garynor : Not sure I agree with you there... I found Burkhard's translation to be very good (i.e. nearest competing airplane type), I think it is implicit that
42 Burkhard : Range isn't of importance from Norway. Anything on the Northern hemispere is near, and everything on the Southern is too far anyways. Of course this i
43 Post contains images kevin777 : okay.. makes a bit more sense then.. Maybe a good destination as such, but a big issue is that you cannot make OSL-MIA-OSL within a 24-hour time fram
44 Post contains images LN-KGL : You have to forget the 24 hours time frame, here is an example of where two aircraft can cover two destinations daily with one of the legs lasting mo
45 MAH4546 : MIA-OSL can absolutely be done in a 24-hour clock, just like MIA to anywhere in Europe sans Russia. Alitalia has zero problems doing MIA-MXP, a longe
46 Post contains images kanban : I like it as is, however the first one I saw I thought was a US Coast Guard plane... I am not a fan of changing color schemes frequently... although
47 RedChili : Actually, it was my translation. Norwegian will not have daily flights to most destinations, and that means that the 24 hour window is not very impor
48 kaitak : Has DY given any indication of the level of service it aims to offer on the 788s; is it aiming to be the European answer to Air Asia Express and Jetst
49 aerobus12 : Mr. Kjos says they will introduce a business class, including flat beds. Mr. Kjos also says IC-ops from ARN and CPH are "planned".
50 RedChili : Norway is a part of the EU-USA open skies deal. I don't believe there is any EU-Thailand open skies, but a few years ago, Norwegian bought the Swedis
51 brendows : When I translate the text from Norwegian's Dreamliner fact sheet it says: "The Dreamliner can fly more than 1000 kilometers longer than the closest c
52 Mortyman : For the aircrafts on routes between Norway and the US they could use Norwegian Americans...., such as: Renee Zellweger Pricilla Presley Marilyn Monro
53 kanban : too easy.. let's go for a pickled herring... glad you caught the humor
54 Post contains images RedChili : They only use people who are dead. So they would either have to choose other names, or... let's not even contemplate the alternative.
55 Mortyman : Yes I know, for some reason part of my post has been deleted
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