UA191 From Canada, joined Apr 2010, 53 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8903 times:
Today I noticed that Hainan Air of China had posted a press release on their website regarding joining an alliance. I remember when they were declined from joining OneWorld in 2006. They still want to join an alliance. The release reads...
Hainan Airlines plans to join a global alliance and will start talks with Star, SkyTeam and oneworld soon, a source from the Chinese carrier told ATWOnline on the sidelines of the IATA AGM in Berlin. "So far, we still haven't had formal talks with any airline alliance, but definitely we would [like to] select one suitable for us," the source said. It is widely speculated that Hainan will join oneworld, but oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch noted at the AGM that the alliance is not in negotiations with Hainan and is considering its options in China...
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8554 times:
I think OneWorld may be the best alliance for them. AA is weak in Asia and they could work with CX and JL there to beef up that alliance's presence there. Skyteam and Star both have strong presences in Asia but OneWorld not so much. And I can't wait to see them in BOS in a year or two (when they get their 787s).
OP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8537 times:
Quoting UA191 (Thread starter): It is widely speculated that Hainan will join oneworld, but oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch noted at the AGM that the alliance is not in negotiations with Hainan and is considering its options in China...
I'm not sure what other options oneworld has at this point in China, besides someone bailing from one of the other alliances. IMO if oneworld accepted S7, then they can probably be flexible enough to accept Hainan at this point.
runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7930 times:
Quoting OP3000 (Reply 5): I'm not sure what other options oneworld has at this point in China, besides someone bailing from one of the other alliances. IMO if oneworld accepted S7, then they can probably be flexible enough to accept Hainan at this point.
Well I'd even go on to say oneworld needs Hainan more than the other way around and oneworld's current strategy is being aggressive with carriers from BRIC countries. If they get Hainan in China and TAM or GOL in Brazil they'll be all set.
MD11A340 From China, joined Jan 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7329 times:
I don't often fly HU since their bonus can only be burned in very limited way.
I think star would be a better choice. HU quite well covered the 2nd, 3rd tier cities. Go! Go! HU!
They have much better inflight service then CA...
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6647 times:
Quoting runway23 (Reply 9): Well I'd even go on to say oneworld needs Hainan more than the other way around and oneworld's current strategy is being aggressive with carriers from BRIC countries. If they get Hainan in China and TAM or GOL in Brazil they'll be all set.
Don't forget that oneworld has virtually no African presence (other than BA's Comair operations in South Africa).
If the don't take Hainan, I think that oneworld is hoping that CX can draw CA away from Star and bring it into the fold of the alliance. Like what Sky Team tried unsuccessfully to do through DL.
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flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6085 times:
Quoting skyhigh (Reply 8): If anyone is the odd man out in oneworld, then it is definitely Air Berlin.
Who, incidentally, have an extensive mileage-earning cooperation and a fair amount of codesharing with none other than Hainan Airlines. Perhaps AB managed to relate some positive experiences with Hainan to their soon-to-be oneworld partners?
Of the big three, I also see oneworld being the best fit for Hainan.
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DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5942 times:
Hainan Airlines would be a very good fit in the oneworld alliance, except from the point of view of Cathay Pacific which already co-operates extensively with Air China and has cross-ownership with them.
While they are substantially smaller than the “big 3” Chinese carriers, they are the next largest airline with a robust domestic route network. Despite the name, their largest hub is in Beijing where they offer good access to over 30 mainland cities. PEK is one of the most important Chinese markets and is already served by oneworld members AA, BA, JL and AY which would all benefit from the access to interior markets that HU would provide. As a major transportation hub, It is well located geographically for travellers from North America, Japan and Europe and would complement CX’s southern hub in Hong Kong. HU would also benefit from the additional passengers fed into their route network by these carriers. If they joined Star or SkyTeam, they would be fighting with the larger CA or CZ for this, both of which have a big presence in Beijing. With oneworld, they would be the exclusive mainland Chinese carrier.
Hainan also has a very good product and service, especially compared to their domestic competitors. They were recently named as the best airline in China in the latest Skytrax airline awards, so they would fit right into oneworld in that respect. They operate a very modern fleet of around 100 A319's and 737-800's, as well as A330's and A340's for long haul.
It’s also worth noting that Hainan has few long-haul destinations, but these include Berlin, Budapest and Moscow, which are (or will be) oneworld hubs for Air Berlin, Malev and S7 respectively. They already have agreements with AB and MA, which they could develop further to help feed these routes.
For AA in particular, HU would replace MU as their domestic Chinese partner. AA could use their ORD-PVG and LAX-PVG flights exclusively for O/D on the Chinese side, since Shanghai is a larger O/D market, but quite poorly situated for connections. They could later add LAX-PEK to complement ORD-PEK and use these flights for both the local market and for domestic connections within China.