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How Do NZ Rotate Their 744's On NZ1  
User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

With ZK SUI sold to Air Atlanta Icelandic NZ now only have 5 of their 744's operating, and one stored (ZK NBT).

Does anyone know how they rotate them to and from LHR on NZ1 and NZ2 ?
When I go in a few weeks, I am desperate to have a plane with a 'pacific wave,' before this livery no longer exists.

NZ001

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

As far as I can see from the schedules, the NZ1/2 is the only route on which the 744 is still used by NZ;
If you put together a weekly schedule, starting on Monday, it would look like this, but this presupposes that all four aircraft are being used:

Acft 1

Monday: AKL-LAX-LHR
Tuesday: LHR-LAX-AKL (Arr Th)
Thursday: (Same cycle again, with acft arriving back into AKL on Sunday)

Acft 2:
Departing AKL on Tues/Fri

Acft 3:
Departing AKL on Wed/Sat

Acft 4:
Departing AKL on Sunday

As to which specific aircraft are being used, you'd probably need to ask one of our NZ friends which acft are being used on which days.

(My initial thought when I read your post was: "just pull back on the stick just after V1"!)


User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
(My initial thought when I read your post was: "just pull back on the stick just after V1"!)

haha just realised that.

I use the Plane Finder app every day, but it seems everyday it isn't the 744 you except. It appears ZK NBW is used on this route a lot more often than SUJ.


User currently offlinekiwimex From Mexico, joined Nov 2009, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6087 times:

Quoting NZ001 (Reply 2):
It appears ZK NBW is used on this route a lot more often than SUJ.

NBW probably has fresher engines and they want to avoid maintenance costs prior to aircraft replacement.


User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

I don't know where the above info is from,
but on Air NewZealand's website it says there are 6 747-400s which operate daily NZ 1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL and 5x weekly NZ 5/6 AKL-LAX-AKL.


User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

I see NZ 744's in SIN on a regular bases as charters, so where does that plane come from then?

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Quoting ManekS (Reply 5):
I see NZ 744's in SIN on a regular bases as charters, so where does that plane come from then?

5 aircraft are used for 1/2/5/6, with one spare...


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
(My initial thought when I read your post was: "just pull back on the stick just after V1"!)

Wouldn't that result in a tail strike?

I think you meant Vr ?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
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Quoting NZ001 (Thread starter):
one stored (ZK NBT).

AFAIK its now out of storage and is the spare

Quoting ManekS (Reply 5):

AFAIK thats mostly -NBT which has come out of storage


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting NZ001 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how they rotate them to and from LHR on NZ1 and NZ2 ?

You can get some idea from http://data.flight24.com which shows the last two weeks. NBU and SUH don't have the Pacific Wave and NBT rarely goes to LHR. NBU and NBT are mostly on NZ5/6.

PA515


User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
AFAIK thats mostly -NBT which has come out of storage

Nope, ZK-NBW.


User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

thanks for the link PA515, but the info there is completetly different to what I see on the Plane Finder Iphone app every day  
Quoting PA515 (Reply 10):
NBU and SUH don't have the Pacific Wave and NBT rarely goes to LHR. NBU and NBT are mostly on NZ5/6.

ye I want to make sure to get a plane with the Pacific Wave before this livery no longer exists.
Also, NBU is rare but does come maybe twice a fortnight and NBT hasn't come in months.

Quoting ManekS (Reply 11):
Nope, ZK-NBW.

Are you sure? NBW is the most common plane used for this route.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting Woof (Reply 8):
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
(My initial thought when I read your post was: "just pull back on the stick just after V1"!)

Wouldn't that result in a tail strike?

I think you meant Vr ?

Vr is usually just after V1... and pulling back on the stick is done at Vr.



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User currently offlinenz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
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Quoting ManekS (Reply 5):
I see NZ 744's in SIN on a regular bases as charters, so where does that plane come from then?

We have been doing a lot of ADF Charters lately.

On the subject of aircraft rotation. NBT is used sparingly to preserve engine hours prior to EOL. It is parked at AKL and flown once a fortnight on average, unless there is a disrupt of some sort.

The rest of the fleet is rotated through the schedule as required. There is no preference given to any tail. It depends on what maintenance is due each week, and if there have been any disrupts etc.

NZ1


User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12):
Vr is usually just after V1... and pulling back on the stick is done at Vr.

Errr....on a heavy it can be as much as 15kts difference! It is not always just after V1, and I agree if you pull up at V1, odds are you will tail strike it!



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User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Thanks NZ1

I guess I'll find out my plane when at LHR  


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

NZ001, I can assure that data.flight24.com is probably the correct one. They gather data via ACARS etc. and have always been accurate whenever I've used. NBT indeed is in service.


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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Quoting nz1 (Reply 13):
On the subject of aircraft rotation. NBT is used sparingly to preserve engine hours prior to EOL. It is parked at AKL and flown once a fortnight on average, unless there is a disrupt of some sort.

Except ZK-NBT will need to be used continuously between the 12th Dec 2010, when NZ84/NZ83 AKL-YVR-AKL (We Fr Su) changes to a 744, and the 16th Jan 2011, when the first 77W goes into service on NZ6/NZ5 (We Fr Su) AKL-LAX-AKL.

As the first 77W goes into service about a month later than previously scheduled will this stuff up the engine hours plan for NBT or is there enough flexibility to cope with the extra use in Dec and Jan?

PA515


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 16):
NZ001, I can assure that data.flight24.com is probably the correct one. They gather data via ACARS etc. and have always been accurate whenever I've used. NBT indeed is in service.

If NZ1 states this he is correct...he is in a position of knowledge on the issue... as am I..


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 18):
If NZ1 states this he is correct...he is in a position of knowledge on the issue... as am I..

According to his profile 'NZ1' now resides in CHC and may not be up to date with NBT's use ex AKL. I believe the data.flight24.com record for ZK-NBT can be relied on.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3260 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 17):
As the first 77W goes into service about a month later than previously scheduled will this stuff up the engine hours plan for NBT or is there enough flexibility to cope with the extra use in Dec and Jan?

No it shouldn't as it is till being well managed.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 18):
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 16):
NZ001, I can assure that data.flight24.com is probably the correct one. They gather data via ACARS etc. and have always been accurate whenever I've used. NBT indeed is in service.

If NZ1 states this he is correct...he is in a position of knowledge on the issue... as am I..
Quoting PA515 (Reply 19):
According to his profile 'NZ1' now resides in CHC and may not be up to date with NBT's use ex AKL. I believe the data.flight24.com record for ZK-NBT can be relied on.

Guys, there is another user called NZ001, which is not me. Yes I am in CHC, but can assure you, in my role, I am fully aware and up to date with the entire NZ fleet, including Link. NBT's flying over Dec/Jan is short term only, and even then, will be restricted on what days/flights it is used on.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Ye sorry, I have the two 0's.

From the data I have seen I believe NZ1 is correct.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 19):
According to his profile 'NZ1' now resides in CHC and may not be up to date with NBT's use ex AKL. I believe the data.flight24.com record for ZK-NBT can be relied on.

By the magic of computers and intranets he could be in Bogota and still be aware of what NBT was up to... 


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