NZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5688 times:
With ZK SUI sold to Air Atlanta Icelandic NZ now only have 5 of their 744's operating, and one stored (ZK NBT).
Does anyone know how they rotate them to and from LHR on NZ1 and NZ2 ?
When I go in a few weeks, I am desperate to have a plane with a 'pacific wave,' before this livery no longer exists.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11956 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5540 times:
As far as I can see from the schedules, the NZ1/2 is the only route on which the 744 is still used by NZ;
If you put together a weekly schedule, starting on Monday, it would look like this, but this presupposes that all four aircraft are being used:
Acft 1
Monday: AKL-LAX-LHR
Tuesday: LHR-LAX-AKL (Arr Th)
Thursday: (Same cycle again, with acft arriving back into AKL on Sunday)
Acft 2:
Departing AKL on Tues/Fri
Acft 3:
Departing AKL on Wed/Sat
Acft 4:
Departing AKL on Sunday
As to which specific aircraft are being used, you'd probably need to ask one of our NZ friends which acft are being used on which days.
(My initial thought when I read your post was: "just pull back on the stick just after V1"!)
NZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5479 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): (My initial thought when I read your post was: "just pull back on the stick just after V1"!)
haha just realised that.
I use the Plane Finder app every day, but it seems everyday it isn't the 744 you except. It appears ZK NBW is used on this route a lot more often than SUJ.
kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
I don't know where the above info is from,
but on Air NewZealand's website it says there are 6 747-400s which operate daily NZ 1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL and 5x weekly NZ 5/6 AKL-LAX-AKL.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
Quoting NZ001 (Thread starter): Does anyone know how they rotate them to and from LHR on NZ1 and NZ2 ?
You can get some idea from http://data.flight24.com which shows the last two weeks. NBU and SUH don't have the Pacific Wave and NBT rarely goes to LHR. NBU and NBT are mostly on NZ5/6.
NZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3766 times:
thanks for the link PA515, but the info there is completetly different to what I see on the Plane Finder Iphone app every day
Quoting PA515 (Reply 10): NBU and SUH don't have the Pacific Wave and NBT rarely goes to LHR. NBU and NBT are mostly on NZ5/6.
ye I want to make sure to get a plane with the Pacific Wave before this livery no longer exists.
Also, NBU is rare but does come maybe twice a fortnight and NBT hasn't come in months.
nz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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Quoting ManekS (Reply 5): I see NZ 744's in SIN on a regular bases as charters, so where does that plane come from then?
We have been doing a lot of ADF Charters lately.
On the subject of aircraft rotation. NBT is used sparingly to preserve engine hours prior to EOL. It is parked at AKL and flown once a fortnight on average, unless there is a disrupt of some sort.
The rest of the fleet is rotated through the schedule as required. There is no preference given to any tail. It depends on what maintenance is due each week, and if there have been any disrupts etc.
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1508 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3271 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12): Vr is usually just after V1... and pulling back on the stick is done at Vr.
Errr....on a heavy it can be as much as 15kts difference! It is not always just after V1, and I agree if you pull up at V1, odds are you will tail strike it!
KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
NZ001, I can assure that data.flight24.com is probably the correct one. They gather data via ACARS etc. and have always been accurate whenever I've used. NBT indeed is in service.
The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
Quoting nz1 (Reply 13): On the subject of aircraft rotation. NBT is used sparingly to preserve engine hours prior to EOL. It is parked at AKL and flown once a fortnight on average, unless there is a disrupt of some sort.
Except ZK-NBT will need to be used continuously between the 12th Dec 2010, when NZ84/NZ83 AKL-YVR-AKL (We Fr Su) changes to a 744, and the 16th Jan 2011, when the first 77W goes into service on NZ6/NZ5 (We Fr Su) AKL-LAX-AKL.
As the first 77W goes into service about a month later than previously scheduled will this stuff up the engine hours plan for NBT or is there enough flexibility to cope with the extra use in Dec and Jan?
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6328 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 16): NZ001, I can assure that data.flight24.com is probably the correct one. They gather data via ACARS etc. and have always been accurate whenever I've used. NBT indeed is in service.
If NZ1 states this he is correct...he is in a position of knowledge on the issue... as am I..
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2604 times:
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 18): If NZ1 states this he is correct...he is in a position of knowledge on the issue... as am I..
According to his profile 'NZ1' now resides in CHC and may not be up to date with NBT's use ex AKL. I believe the data.flight24.com record for ZK-NBT can be relied on.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 17): As the first 77W goes into service about a month later than previously scheduled will this stuff up the engine hours plan for NBT or is there enough flexibility to cope with the extra use in Dec and Jan?
No it shouldn't as it is till being well managed.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 18): Quoting KFlyer (Reply 16):
NZ001, I can assure that data.flight24.com is probably the correct one. They gather data via ACARS etc. and have always been accurate whenever I've used. NBT indeed is in service.
If NZ1 states this he is correct...he is in a position of knowledge on the issue... as am I..
Quoting PA515 (Reply 19): According to his profile 'NZ1' now resides in CHC and may not be up to date with NBT's use ex AKL. I believe the data.flight24.com record for ZK-NBT can be relied on.
Guys, there is another user called NZ001, which is not me. Yes I am in CHC, but can assure you, in my role, I am fully aware and up to date with the entire NZ fleet, including Link. NBT's flying over Dec/Jan is short term only, and even then, will be restricted on what days/flights it is used on.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6328 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
Quoting PA515 (Reply 19): According to his profile 'NZ1' now resides in CHC and may not be up to date with NBT's use ex AKL. I believe the data.flight24.com record for ZK-NBT can be relied on.
By the magic of computers and intranets he could be in Bogota and still be aware of what NBT was up to...
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