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DL Restarting ATL-PVG, DTW-PEK, And NRT-CAN?  
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18445 times:

Did someone jump the gun here?:

http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/Asia12_10.pdf

[Edited 2010-11-09 21:20:10]


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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18390 times:

Oh wow, looks like I missed DTW-PEK as well. All three of these routes make sense but I don't think DL has said anything about them.


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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5295 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18393 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 1):
Oh wow, looks like I missed DTW-PEK as well.

Yup I was just about to post this. Interesting info. Either it's a simple mistake or else someone screwed up and released a map with new routes on it before an official PR has been issued.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5980 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18343 times:

Interesting....

MIA-AMS and MCO-CDG are on the European map.

http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/Europe12_10.pdf

CUN-AUS/SAT/CMH and MEM-MEX are on the Latan America Map.



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

Judging by the file names these maps were designed to be published in December, so the route announcement is likely forthcoming later this month. But, it does appear someone posted them before they were supposed to.

User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):

All of those have already been announced or are already available for booking. MCO-CDG and MIA-AMS are AF and KL respectively. Only the Asia map has new routes.



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18293 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
Interesting....

MIA-AMS and MCO-CDG are on the European map.

http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/Europe12_10.pdf

CUN-AUS/SAT/CMH and MEM-MEX are on the Latan America Map.

All of those were already known, though. The two European flights are AF/KL JV flights, the Mexico expansion is all previously announced seasonal flying.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7593 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18299 times:

Interesting, we've heard rumors about ATL regaining China service.

Note that DTW & LAX - HND are listed as new service on there, obviously already announced.

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
CUN-AUS/SAT/CMH and MEM-MEX are on the Latan America Map.

This stuff as already been announced.


We'll see, new international service planned to start this spring and summer should be announced any day now......

[Edited 2010-11-09 21:20:21]

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5980 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18271 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 6):
All of those were already known, though. The two European flights are AF/KL JV flights, the Mexico expansion is all previously announced seasonal flying.

cool I was wondering if those were going to be on DL metal or not....fair enough...thanks.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18244 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
MIA-AMS and MCO-CDG are on the European map.

What are the other MIA departures show? FCO, MXP...and a third I can't make out in addition to the future CDG service.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18242 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 2):

Yup I was just about to post this. Interesting info. Either it's a simple mistake or else someone screwed up and released a map with new routes on it before an official PR has been issued.

Or they have pending approvals running (or already have, but currently don't use them). MIA-AMS is already announced for Summer 2011 (to be operated by KL)


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5980 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18226 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
What are the other MIA departures show? FCO, MXP...and a third I can't make out in addition to the future CDG service.

MXP, FCO and CDG..future service is MIA out of AMS..... didn't DL announce MIA-LHR as well or was that pending slot avalibility?



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18087 times:

Where would the planes and frequencies come from?


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18076 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 11):
MXP, FCO and CDG..future service is MIA out of AMS..... didn't DL announce MIA-LHR as well or was that pending slot avalibility?

Weren't these slots coming from AA/BA ?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18055 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
MIA-AMS and MCO-CDG are on the European map.

What are the other MIA departures show? FCO, MXP...and a third I can't make out in addition to the future CDG service.

Miami-London Heathrow is set to begin March 27, 2011 pending final government approval, daily Delta 767-300ER. There is no "future CDG service," as Air France does fly MIA-CDG as is, I think you mean future AMS service, which launches on the same day that Delta starts MIA-LHR.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2877 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17901 times:

Very interesting. DTW-PEK makes perfect sense, since the Chinese capital should absolutely be served from DL's primary transpacific gateway. NRT-CAN didn't last long with NW, but with the U.S. and Chinese economies on the rebound, perhaps it will work this time around. ATL-PVG is a bit surprising, I would have thought we might see a SEA-PVG flight!

Now, UA and AA both snapped up U.S.-China frequencies for their new LAX-PVG routes. How many are left? If DL is trying to grab the last 3 that are left (I don't know, maybe there are more) then I could see a bit of a pre-2008 route contest going down between UA/CO, AA, DL, and possibly US....



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17862 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
Now, UA and AA both snapped up U.S.-China frequencies for their new LAX-PVG routes. How many are left? If DL is trying to grab the last 3 that are left (I don't know, maybe there are more) then I could see a bit of a pre-2008 route contest going down between UA/CO, AA, DL, and possibly US....

21 left and another 14 become available in March. ATL-PVG is already held dormant by Delta and does not require anything new. CAN uses a separate set of slot pairs and does not come from those.

Plenty to go around.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2877 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17669 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 5):

All of those have already been announced or are already available for booking. MCO-CDG and MIA-AMS are AF and KL respectively. Only the Asia map has new routes.

Africa has some too. ATL-DKR-LAD has been announced and loaded for sale, but DL's Africa map shows DKR-SSG and DKR-NBO. In the LAD press release DL did state its intention to serve SSG and NBO pending U.S. gov't approval, but no news on either destination yet. I guess a return to CPT is not planned, but what about a resumption of JFK-ABV nonstops? Is the one-stop via ACC really a seasonal move?



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User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17528 times:

On my phone, so trying to makes heads or tails of that map is next time impossible. There are 3 European flights shown out of LAX. CDG and AMS are obvious. Where is the third going?

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4913 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17471 times:
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Quoting Delimit (Reply 18):
There are 3 European flights shown out of LAX. CDG and AMS are obvious. Where is the third going?

LAX-FCO operated by AZ I believe


User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 975 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17464 times:

This map seems really precocious. SLC-NRT is already over for the summer season; why keep it in the map for December? Also, the other routes are still a long, long way off. I wish they would limit the routes they show on the map until they are confirmed and available in the GDS for sale. Having them in there so early seems to promise big while potentially disappointing customers down the road.

User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17279 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 17):
what about a resumption of JFK-ABV nonstops? Is the one-stop via ACC really a seasonal move?

At present, the summer schedules indicate that Abuja will continue to be served 2x weekly from ATL, via Accra. We'll see if that holds.

Abuja seems like an awfully thin market to support stand-alone n/s service on a 767-300.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9503 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16914 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 10):

Or they have pending approvals running (or already have, but currently don't use them

Nothing pending just yet. DL already has ATL-PVG rights.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
Where would the planes and frequencies come from?

DL will have pretty good slack in the 777/77B fleet after all the mods on the 777 fleet are done(and they will be by S11)
Also assuming they did a little shifting (ie ATL-NRT back to the 747) they could free up a few birds. (also remember they did ATL-FRA on a 777 because they had tosend em somewhere)

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):

Now, UA and AA both snapped up U.S.-China frequencies for their new LAX-PVG routes. How many are left? If DL is trying to grab the last 3 that are left (I don't know, maybe there are more) then I could see a bit of a pre-2008 route contest going down between UA/CO, AA, DL, and possibly US....

China is not a problem at this point.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):

21 left and another 14 become available in March. ATL-PVG is already held dormant by Delta and does not require anything new. CAN uses a separate set of slot pairs and does not come from those.

Mark is that 21 with the 7 that US gave up?


Anyways, more should be out soon. Delta has been giving things up if you really look(as they have to get slots in Europe and they have been doing so already. No idea why they are waiting so late this year)



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User currently offlinedelta764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16915 times:

Any idea of what equipment will be used on ATL-PVG and DTW-PEK? Are there enough 77E's for the mix. I know they used a 77E on the ATL-FRA route back in the summer, which could easily be switched to a 333 for capacity issues. With scheduled mods taking place on the 777 fleet, it just seems these routes may really push fleet. I think its great to see these routes coming back. I've been worried about ATL loosing Int'l routes to DTW and JFK. This is good news.

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16850 times:

Quoting delta764 (Reply 23):
Any idea of what equipment will be used on ATL-PVG and DTW-PEK?

Is there any confirmation of these besides the route map?



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25 IrishAyes : So does that apply as well to the LAX-PPT route? I know AF flies that...
26 deltal1011man : Yes LAX-PPT and AMS-DEL are covered under the JV. No. ATL cant be till a PR, DTW could be if/when DL asks the DOT for rights.
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : I've also seen/heard rumors of JFK - Naples, Italy service for Summer 2011.
28 MAH4546 : Delta did request slots at Naples airport (and, OT, but Air Canada requested slots at Venice Marco Polo). But airlines frequently request more slots
29 Acey559 : I think I'd faint if we started flying to Tahiti! I've wanted to go there for years but, at least for a poor 23 year old, there's no economical way fo
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm guessing so and extremely seasonal. what would be the time of year a US operator would fly Tahiti anyway? And i'm guessing your best bet would be
31 LAXtoATL : AF flies LAX-PPT and it is a part of the DL JV. The flight is not daily, I think it is 3 or 4 times a week.
32 Delimit : If I recall right, the flight continues on from CDG or is timed to connect with an AF flight from Paris. It is carrying French travelers to Tahiti as
33 FL787 : Looks like they removed the December route maps and put the November route maps back up. Interesting.
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : LOL. Looks like someone did make a boo boo... I'm also guessing the posting of the intro of Y+ wasn't supoose to make it on DLNet either.
35 Post contains images deltal1011man : It had to be put on DeltaNet. Mods started last week and you don't just go by word of mouth that the P seats go to HVCs.
36 FlyASAGuy2005 : What was the time frame for all this anyway? The "future routes" could be as far out as mid to end of next year but i'm betting sometime during the su
37 delta764 : I'm sure there will be some nice TATL additions to their JFK service. They seem to enjoy utilizing 757 service. I would'nt be suprised to see TLV from
38 SESGDL : With NRT-CAN, DTW-HND, DTW-PEK, LAX-HND, ATL-PVG, JFK-KEF, JFK-NAP, DKR-SSG, DKR-NBO, MIA-LHR, and BOS-LHR all looking like they will be starting nex
39 luckyone : I'm not sure if that matters. I believe those passengers are still required to clear US Immigration.
40 LAXdude1023 : Half of those are still in the rumor stages. I dont know if we can figure out when they will start or even if.
41 MAH4546 : Whatever happens, IATA is going on right now and airlines are finalizing their schedules. So all airlines should begin making new long-haul routes pub
42 LAXdude1023 : When does IATA end?
43 MAH4546 : Sunday.
44 NW : Heard today to expect a "big announcement next week on new routes".
45 DTWHKG : Does DL have more PEK slots? And are they at reasonable times? Few people will like a PEK-DTW flight that departs at 6am.
46 enilria : Hearing the announcement will be tomorrow.
47 papatango : [ Where did you hear this
48 enilria : The media was tipped to expect an announcement today. They usually do that before a big schedule announcement.
49 Post contains links OA412 : Here's an article confirming the resumption of ATL-PVG service. Flights will operate twice weekly on 77E's. The article also confirms that there will
50 Frostbite : This just doesn't sound like a recipe for success on a business-oriented route.
51 delta764 : I wonder how this will affect DTW-PVG and NRT-PVG?
52 sxf24 : I don't think it will. With the recovery in China traffic, it compliments the existing routes (particularly DTW-PVG) nicely.
53 enilria : They can go non-stop 2/wk and connect the other 5/wk in DTW. Sounds better than before. I do question the point of only having so few freqs, but I th
54 jetlanta : That really is an issue. I think they are trying to put some stakes in the ground.
55 LAXdude1023 : Hopefully it will do better this time around. With the MU partnership, it may actually have a chance this time.
56 PSU.DTW.SCE : Also, depending on how aircraft rotations are built, this may help route the 77E/77L fleet back through ATL and eliminate some of the positioning flig
57 burnsie28 : Large international 2011 announcement to come today. Twice weekly ATL-PVG is confirmed however.
58 EMB170 : By any chance (speaking of new routes) will DL come back to CUR this March? (filler)
59 LIPZ : Pittsburgh-Paris flight expands to daily service summer 2011 DL's Twitter
60 mogandoCI : ATL-PVG only 2x weekly? might as well not offer it... a frequency that low doesn't build any kind of route awareness - more probably i'm flying on a d
61 Post contains links seamefly : Tokyo - Guangzho Seattle - Amsterdam 2nd daily starts 6/1 BOS-LHR/CDG MIA-LHR ATL-PVG DTW-PEK To name a few http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-...al-
62 EMB170 : New JFK- Reykjavik service next summer per DL press release 5X per week on 757 aircraft[Edited 2010-11-16 10:06:30]
63 PSU.DTW.SCE : As for the international stuff, as was predicted earlier based on the early-release route maps. Buried in the press release - new intra-Florida flight
64 peanuts : This was interesting for me: DL doing a JFK-CDG run. Good for DL, let your customers decide whether they want to go on DL or AF metal. Hopefully it ca
65 peanuts : Slowly we see the unfolding of the plans of why DL has such a nice MIA SkyClub facility... LHR and other European flights were at the roots, now we s
66 DAL767400ER : Getting the rights for NRT-CAN should be a formality. After all, there are 14 weekly slots free as is (7 ex-NW/DL, 7 ex-UA), and IIRC, isn't CAN getti
67 Post contains images goldenstate : Hmmmmmm, I wonder what other cities have gotten nice new SkyClubs recently......
68 LAXtoATL : Yes. The NRT-CAN and DTW-PEK both require gov't approval per the press release. However, my understanding is that there are a lot of unused China fre
69 LAXtoATL : Please tell me...
70 ocracoke : IND for one.
71 LAXtoATL : Thank You.
72 SESGDL : Anyone know where the 777s to operate this are coming from? All 18 777s were tied up last summer, and these new routes will require at least 2. Jerem
73 MSPNWA : Was ATL-FRA a 777 last summer? It's a 767-400 on the schedules for 2011.
74 delta764 : This is annoucement is kind of boring to me... nothing too exciting. I was hoping for ATL-CAI, JFK-BEY, JFK-SOF, etc..
75 bobnwa : You have to admit it was a hell of a lot more exciting that AA's recent non announcement.
76 MAH4546 : Interesting to note that Delta is applying for 12 new U.S.-China frequencies, even though it has seven unused (five ATL-PVG and two SEA-PEK). I wonder
77 LIPZ : Yeah, definitely no new destinations to Europe, Africa, M.East (KEF was already announced)
78 FL787 : The shop I'd assume. The 77L is currently scheduled on ATL-NRT/JNB/DXB, LAX-SYD, and DTW-HKG. All of those are daily except for DTW-HKG which is 5 we
79 rwSEA : Agreed. The only real surprises were DTW-PEK and restarting NRT-CAN. Even the ATL-PVG seems to be nothing more than a respositioning flight.
80 burnsie28 : They don't need to with all the other flights they offer into PVG. ATL-PVG will be strict business flights, but if need-be it offers another connecti
81 DAL767400ER : And if an announcement of that nature were to have happened, you would have around 150 posts by the usual suspects talking about how Delta is using a
82 delta764 : Very true! Even though I know ATL is packed already, I still love to see them gain additional service.
83 Post contains images OA412 : So it seems as though JFK-NAP isn't going to be happening for now. Perhaps there will be a separate announcement, or perhaps they will wait until S12
84 bobnwa : Since neither DL or AA said the was going to be an "exciting" announcement or "big" announcement, it was the hoopla built up on this forum that leads
85 MAH4546 : The application request for 12 new frequencies, and states in a footnote it wants to continue to hold those frequencies dormant. Sorry, but that is j
86 BHXDTW : Just a quick question, Any chance of an ATL - BHX ? Maybe a 757 service ? ... I know that the MAN route has good loads, and is quite profitable.. but
87 Delimit : Honestly, are you really surprised by this? DL's philosophy with slot requests seems to boil down to, "There's no harm in asking."
88 MAH4546 : No, I am not surprised and it is the prudent way to do it because there is no harm in asking, as you say. But, hopefully, DOT does not allow it.
89 Delimit : It makes sense from DL's side of things as it allows them to start the newer service without potentially affecting their ability to grow the ATL servi
90 WA707atMSP : It's a little disappointing DL isn't adding MSP-ICN. I think this would be a natural hub to hub route for them, or (better yet) KE.
91 MSPNWA : It's disappointing that MSP hasn't received any new or renewed long-haul routes since the merger. MSP shares that distinction with DL's also-ran hubs
92 MAH4546 : At the expense of making everybody else run their operations with potential bureaucratic delays. That's certainly not fair.
93 seabosdca : No. It's really too long for a 757, and 75E/A ops from ATL would be awkward anyway because there aren't many sensible routes.
94 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm pretty sure we've covered MSP's situation numerous times in other threads. With or without a merger, it is doubtful MSP's long-haul situation wou
95 MAH4546 : American Airlines did file with DOT today in opposition of Delta's application, arguing that Delta should be forced to use its own unused China freque
96 SESGDL : For its role within DL, but let's not act as if ATL or DTW can support new international service based on traffic that's already there. Like other ne
97 jetlanta : Not true at all Jeremy. DTW is not only a far bigger O&D market to Asia than MSP, it also relies on connecting traffic from the Northeast, Mid-At
98 SESGDL : All of those markets are also east and south of MSP as well, in addition to places like DFW, AUS, SAT, IAH, MCI, STL, and others, which are not good
99 Transpac787 : Well, kind of. At the takeover, DTW had NRT (x2), NGO, KIX, and PVG. DL has dropped one NRT, KIX, and swapped PVG to a 777. On the other side, they a
100 PSU.DTW.SCE : The difference in overall transit time for those market is minimal versus MSP. Plus, most of those markets are not DL strongholds. No one is arguing
101 OA412 : Several posters have been over this many times with you, but you seem to want to ignore facts. While MSP may not be receiving additional longhaul ser
102 jetlanta : But MSP simply doesn't have the volume of frequency or connecting flights from the high demand regions I mentioned that DTW does. And to your example
103 SESGDL : Agreed. That's what I was saying, MSP could've been chosen to be develop as a transpac gateway, but wasn't for the aforementioned reasons. I never be
104 MSPNWA : Who would have guessed, I sparked another nerve because I said I was "disappointed". When you look at facts, MSP travelers have darn good reasons to b
105 centrair : There was a bit listed in this article that caught my attention. Manila? DL already has 13 weekly to MNL on 744s. Where would they add? Could SEA-KIX
106 MAH4546 : Five additional weekly NRT-MNL flights will be operated during the summer.
107 jetlanta : Jeremy, at one time Delta didn't have a DTW hub. You have dramatically inflated idea of how much traffic is generated in markets west of MSP that don
108 SESGDL : That's beside the point. I was asserting that MSP could support additional international flying, someone that you refuted. I was simply disagreeing w
109 centrair : What aircraft? I too wonder why MSP has not seen any increases. If anything, I had hoped that KE and DL would split the routes of ICN-MSP and ICN-DTW
110 MSPNWA : Only 30 million people between those 7 metros? Only the most populous U.S. state out there? The second most populous, Texas, is tilted towards MSP ov
111 FlyASAGuy2005 : How is it any different today than 2008 on the international side? If the almighty NW coudln't get it to where you want it, you expect DL to with mor
112 SESGDL : I was strictly talking mainline, but SLC has been busier in the past than it is today, as well (it peaked in 2005, I believe). It has made steady gai
113 FlyASAGuy2005 : Due by and large to the shut-down of DFW. All the hubs saw a spike in mainline seats in 2005 and 2006 with ATL growing to it's mega hub status overni
114 jetlanta : I'm sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about. The most populous state had 28 nonstops A DAY to Europe on average over the past 12
115 PSU.DTW.SCE : The fact that DL even considered CVG-PEK, even when it was at its peak is still laughable MSP-FRA: FRA is a Star stronghold. AA even dropped ORD-FRA.
116 LAXdude1023 : No reason they should be. ATL could not support the level of Asia service that DTW can.
117 jetlanta : Excellent point. Which only serves to prove the fact that Delta is not playing favorites.
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