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User currently offlineJkat From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

As an experienced flyer, I look forward to taking any trips that will enable me to go to the airport. However, I had a dear friend die in the UAL Iowa crash. Since then Ive been a bit nervous to fly, especially on a DC-10. I know there have been safety changes in these planes but I still am nervous, especially when I fly overseas in this aircraft. I will be flying to Europe in this aircraft in a few weeks. What has everyones experiences with these planes been and is there anything I should worry about?

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User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 940 times:

Exactly what airline will you be flying that still operates pax DC-10s?

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 928 times:

Well, I fly a desk, Northwest still operates DC-10s heavily. I am not sure if you just overlooked that fact, or what, but...

The DC-10 is a sound airframe. Yes, and, unfortunately, it cost lives instead of dollars to have the -10 cut its teeth and evolve into the wonder it is today. Airbus always touts their '340 and '330's abilities to haul more cargo than a 747. A -10 can haul more cargo after pax and freight than a 747 as well.

The -10, if you're flying NW anyway, is an extremely reliable aircraft. They have acquired them second-hand from KLM and SAS. Two airlines with a repuatation for an impeccable level of maintenance. In the past year I've done the DTW-FCO run on an ex-SAS aircraft, and the DTW-HNL run as well, plus the ever-boring DTW-AMS and AMS-MSP route. The -10s in coach are fitted with newer seats, a few have vacuum lavs, and NW serves fantastic food.

The great thing about -10s, and don't read this part if you can be scared out of flying, but their low-speed handling characteristics make for great approaches. High-speed, high-flare touchdowns and the whine of the CF6 on takeoff always makes me smile.




I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 913 times:

I hadn't overlooked NW at all, just wondering what airline the ticket was booked on. NW is in fact the last (strong) operator.

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 909 times:

Yes, and its a sad fact too. Here at MKE, we get 4 daily -10 flights on NW. They all route through MSP to LAX, PHX, SFO, and the last one does trunk routes back-and-forth. I find it strange that N132JC is here week-in and week-ou!


I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 902 times:

The NW DC-10's have what is called the Sioux City mod to their airplanes. It fully corrects what went wrong in teh Sioux City accident. It is a very very safe airplane and all the problems have been corrected. My dad is a DC-10 international captain with NW and loves flying that airplane. It is in my opinion one of hte best ever made.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineTeXstud323 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 879 times:

DC-10's are great IMHO. As far as safety goes, I don't percieve them to be less safe than any other aircraft type flying in the western world. The 737 was getting a bad rap there for a while, imagine getting around anywhere these days and not encountering a 737?! And god bless the souls on TW #800, a 747.

If you're still nervous, your physician may be willing to prescribe a few mild sedatives to get you through the experience.

 Smokin cool


User currently offlineJkat From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 835 times:

I will be flying on Northwest.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 821 times:

Have a safe flight and try not to worry; the DC10 is a reliable plane and, as stated, has been modified so that the events that led to the Sioux City crash will not be repeated. NW's DC10s are in great shape and well-maintained. I am not going to give you the flying is safer than driving lecture, and I am sorry to hear that you lost a friend in an airline accident, you are more than entitled to you concerns, but try to put that behind you and enjoy your flight. Good luck.

User currently offlineJkat From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 816 times:

Thank you. It is NW I am flying and I know they have a great record. What exactly was done to the -10s to prevent the same type of crash that happened in Sioux City?

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 800 times:

Sioux City was the result of a hydrolic failure, the lines that are used to power the control surfaces were damaged and inoperable when cut due to problem with the tail mounted engine; the plane was difficult (nearly impossible) to control.

I am no engineer, but I do know that additional back up systems were installed and lines were rerouted so that it would be just about impossible for a pilot to loose control of the aircraft because of an explosion or other event in the tail-engine. I know that I am not saying this well, I apologize, but the problem has been fixed.

At this point, the DC10 is one of the safest and most proven aircraft in the air, and like I said above, NW take very good care of these airliners. Success!


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 805 times:

DC-10's are great. You are just as safe in A DC-10 than in anyother plane crossing the pond. You'll be fine. I personaly love flying in DC-10's. Whenever I fly I try to get on one.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 794 times:

The Sioux city mod traps hydraulic fluid in the event of a failure so that the horizontal and vertical stabilizers continue to function even if the lines are severed.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 795 times:

All I can say is that if you like DC-10s (as do I), fly on one as soon as you can! I don't know what NW's retirement schedule is like, but the CO D10s will be disappearing soon. In fact, NW is one airline that has INCREASED their DC-10 fleet over the past decade. They acquired many ex-SR D13s (GE) to augment their PW D14 fleet. SR always took good care of their aircraft and I am sure they were a welcome addition.

In the years to come, the only way to get a DC-10 ride will be on a freighter, much like DC-8s, and eventually M11s...

Have a good trip and don't worry about a thing. NW will get you there in one piece.


User currently offlineTimmsp From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 778 times:

I was spotting at MSP the other day and noticed that Sun Country's DC-10's were in the process of being retired. Front Half was all white and the logo gone from the tail.

Kind of bummed because the MSP-CUN flight was more enjoyable on the DC-10!


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 771 times:

Jkat,
My sincerest condolences regarding your loss.

The system safeguard designed after the Sioux city accident was to prevent a total loss of #3 system hydraulic fluid in the event of an uncontained failure of #2 engine (in which the Sioux City DC10 lost all 3 hydraulic systems) by isolating the inboard elevators via an electric motor driven valve. This shutoff valve operates (closes, thus isolating the inboard elevator #3 hyd. sys.hydraulic lines) when #3 hydraulic quantity drops below a certain quantity.

Should the same scenario occur as Sioux City but with this modification.
The aircraft would lose hydraulic systems 1 & 2. #3 system would be "saved" albeit with a limited loss of fluid and cutoff from the inboard elevators.

The flight crew is alerted by an "HYD SYS 3 ELEV OFF" annunciator caution light on the F/E's panel.



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineJkat From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 768 times:

Has the MD-11 had this modification also installed? Was it an explosion that cut the hydrolic lines? I was only 8 when it happened.

User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 757 times:

Yes, the MD11 has this modification also.

The #2 engine fan assembly had an uncontained failure which sent debris through the horizontal tailplane severing hydraulic lines for all 3 hydraulic systems.




You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 755 times:

Thanks FDXmech.. i just pulled out the AOM for the 10 and was just about to type up taht exact post haha. Thanks for clarifying that. I for some reason thought the rudder and full horizontal stabilizer reamianed effective.

If i remember correctly from the AOM, these items stay effective:

All slats
#3 spoiler panels on each wing
Right aileron
Both high speed ailerons
Elevator trim
The braking system
Nosewheel steering 68 degrees right and 24 degrees left
A couple flaps panels (cant remember which ones though)



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 740 times:

Jkat...Have an enjoyabe trip.

I'll still take a "10" whenever I can..Still one of my all-time favorites for over 25 years. (On the UA DC10 it was a fan disc that failed from a undetecable crack from the time of casting of the disc for GE)

Remember, you at least 22 times safer on a DC10(or any other plane) than driving to the airport!


User currently offlineNikonF100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 723 times:

I don't think the M11 had the hydrolic lines in the same bundle like the D10 did. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was corrected.

The D10 is a fantastic ride. NW is sending some D14s out in the next couple months. The -30s go after the -40s, and will be replaced by the A330.


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 719 times:

Hi Jkat,

I have the reverse problem . . .

Whenever the opportunity for travel presents itself, I comb through the schedule looking for DC-10s to fly.

Last time I did was with Japan Airlines (JA8545) from Honolulu to Tokyo-Narita in January this year . . . and I loved it.







User currently offlineSJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 710 times:

The DC10 is my favorite aircraft out of every one of them. They look tight, they fly like a dream, the sound tight, they are huge inside, smooth, everything. I love them. I have flown hundreds of flights in them, mostly NWA SEA-DTW-AMS and they are awesome. Don't worry about flying in one, I'm actually jelous! Everytime I book a trip on NW I alwasy try for a DC10 because they wont be around much longer. Enjoy!

SJCguy


User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 704 times:

JKAT, just relax and enjoy the flight. I was on DC-10-30ER (N238NW) 3 1/2 weeks ago. I flew with it from Detroit to Amsterdam. Great shape, clean, well kept.
Enjoy the ride !

regards,
Triple Seven


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 699 times:

The DC-10 had so many problems during the 70's. That resulted in good news and bad news.

The bad news was that it's reputation was so tarnished that, after the AA crash in Chicago, not a single order was ever recieved for the type, only 7 or 8 years after its introduction.

The good news, stemming from all of its problems, is that it was the focus of a lot of scrutiny over the past 30 years, and as a result is probably one of the safest aircraft around today, because practically every part has been investigated.

Charles


User currently offlineNightfly From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 675 times:

I flew on a Condor - DC10-30 from CGN to PMI in 1995. It was a great flight. I would prefer this bird to much other planes.

Best regards,  Smile
nightfly




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