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Official: AV/TA + Copa Joining Star  
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11444 posts, RR: 61
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12310 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/10/349547/both-avianca-taca-and-copa-to-join-star-alliance.html

Apologies if another thread is already posted - didn't see one when I searched for it.

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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12413 times:

Well I guess it was somewhat expected. So i guess that means star is the largest in Southern America by a wide margin?


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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12400 times:

I must say that this is disappointing. But not a surprise. I was hoping Skyteam would get AV/TA. Star pretty much owns Latin America now. Would this tthen signal that LATAM would go all to oneworld? If they go all Star then there is nothing left.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8753 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12398 times:
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Congratulations to CM and AV/TA! I knew this would happen in order to counter the LAN and TAM combination; whereby LA/JJ will basically dominate routes within South America and CM/AV/TA will dominate Central American routes.

User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12316 times:

Congratulations Avianca/Taca and Copa! Who would expect CM/P5/ and AV in the same alliance. Now Colombia is Star Alliance territory.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11444 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12277 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 1):
But not a surprise.

Indeed - not too suprising. It has seemed for a while that AV/TA were moving towards Star.

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 1):
I was hoping Skyteam would get AV/TA.

Personally, I agree that from a strategic standpoint, SkyTeam would make just as much if not more sense for AV/TA, and from a competitive alliance-vs-alliance standpoint, it would have been much more balanced.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 2):
Star pretty much owns Latin America now.

?

#1 carrier from U.S. to Latin America is in oneworld, #1 carrier from Europe to Latin America is in oneworld, #2 carrier group in South America is in oneworld, #1 carrier in Mexico is in SkyTeam, etc.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 2):
Would this tthen signal that LATAM would go all to oneworld?

That seems to be what many people believe. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

This is the first domino to fall. I think a lot of people are watching what LATAM is going to do, and I think LATAM was watching what AV/TA was going to do. A lot of other moving pieces on the chess board may now eventually move into place following this announcement.


User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12206 times:

I am not sure we should be happy about this. I already suspect COPA and TACA had a sort of cartel / duopoly with their high prices on regional routes, say Guatemala to Nicaragua or Honduras, and with them in bed it can only get worse.
I actually think AV/TA would do great in Skyteam instead. KLM/AF might add or increase BOG, SJO or so for European connections.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12109 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
I am not sure we should be happy about this.

Very true. I don't think we will see ticket prices go down in Central America with CM and TA in the same alliance. Interesting to see how ticket prices and competition in Colombia will be in the near future. The only low cost carrier in Colombia is Aires, and soon to be LAN, so basically Colombia will no longer have a LCC within a year.


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12090 times:

Of course, this reduces the chances of TAM remaining in Star rather significantly.
Honestly, people should probably be congratulating Oneworld over this, not Star.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12003 times:

I always thought AV-TA would go to *A, but CM is somehow a bit of a surprise. I guess CO in the alliance made it a logical decision. Congratulations to all of them.

When all this will take in effect?

Quoting troest (Reply 7):
I don't think we will see ticket prices go down in Central America with CM and TA in the same alliance
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
I already suspect COPA and TACA had a sort of cartel / duopoly with their high prices on regional routes, say Guatemala to Nicaragua or Honduras, and with them in bed it can only get worse

Not that those fares low by now......so things will not change much if you ask me. What we might expect is LATAM thinking seriously on attacking this market.

Quoting troest (Reply 7):
The only low cost carrier in Colombia is Aires, and soon to be LAN, so basically Colombia will no longer have a LCC within a year.

Well, with this decision AV-TA/CM in *A, well only have to expect LA Colombia to enter and keep prices at decent prices, but not this low crazy fares we are seeing today. At the end, bad news for passengers.


Cheers


777jaah



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User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12011 times:

...Well I am Happy and not surprised at all!!!


Congratulations to Groupo Taca/Avianca/Copa!!!!!! Finally STAR has a pretty good foothold in Latin-America and South America. (The new LH service to BOG has come just in the nick of time!!!!)

Welcome to the Star Alliance!!!                  



chootie
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8753 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11947 times:
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Quoting Delimit (Reply 8):
Honestly, people should probably be congratulating Oneworld over this, not Star.

They should be congratulating both LAN and the Oneworld Alliance for this change! LAN would have never joined Star Alliance because they are in LAN's way, literally! Perhaps LAN demonstrated to TAM the importance of being number one on routes between South America and both North America and Europe!


User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11842 times:

Two direct competitors (and arguably the ONLY two competitors in Central America) entering the same alliance at the same time. I don´t like it one bit,

Quoting chootie (Reply 10):
Congratulations to Groupo Taca/Avianca/Copa!!!!!! Finally STAR has a pretty good foothold in Latin-America and South America. (The new LH service to BOG has come just in the nick of time!!!!)

An overlapping foothold.


I expect the real addition to Star to be AV/TA, I suspect CM joined basically just because of CO/ new UA. I foresee limited cooperation between CM and the rest of Star Alliance members.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11444 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11826 times:

Official press release from Star:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/cmavta-prp/

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
They should be congratulating both LAN and the Oneworld Alliance for this change! LAN would have never joined Star Alliance because they are in LAN's way, literally! Perhaps LAN demonstrated to TAM the importance of being number one on routes between South America and both North America and Europe!

So what's the sense, then? Is the conventional wisdom likely correct that this all but guarantees LATAM now goes to oneworld? If so, yeah, that is a massive win for the alliance.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11739 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
They should be congratulating both LAN and the Oneworld Alliance for this change! LAN would have never joined Star Alliance because they are in LAN's way, literally! Perhaps LAN demonstrated to TAM the importance of being number one on routes between South America and both North America and Europe!

You can put whatever gloss you want over this news, but the fact is that Star shut the door in front of LAN.
Star took the initiative and they now have very strong partners in Central and South America.
It will be great to see LH serving LIM, and why not PTY, as well as more frequencies by AV to BCN, that will become Star's main hub in Spain to complement FRA.
I also believe that a service by AV to LHR will allow cooperation there as well, with bmi, SAS, Singapore, LOT, Austrian, Swiss, South African, ANA, Asiana etc


User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

Will Avianca Brasil be included in the alliance? I guess it would be wise to do if TAM is to join OW

[Edited 2010-11-10 07:32:39]

User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11672 times:

So, what will do SkyTeam in South America now??? I am so sad for SkyTeam, what the hell they did??

And AV should say thank you to DL for having helping them a lot to escape from Chapter 11 in 2005/2006 and to upgrade and increase their growth strategy and product...

What's remaining now? Gol in Brazil? ... just AR and even no COPA joining SkyTeam 


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

Great news! Except for the overlapping part.

CM's largest market is point-to-point flights from colombia to PTY and taking away passengers from the BOG hub. It will be interesting to see how this develops, and it could lead into a future consolidation, though it would be tough with regulators (virtual monopoly in central america, 70% of the colombian domestic market and around 60% of the international market).

And the biggest looser here is Skyteam, instead of taking the initative on AV/TA the decided to pursue AR which is the weakest partner in all of south america.

Quoting troest (Reply 15):
Will Avianca Brasil be included in the alliance? I

Probably at a later stage. right now AV/TA only own 20% of AV Brasil, so I guess when brazilian law admits a larger stake which allows for further integration they will be included. This is of course in star's interest as they will be loosing the brazilian domestic network.

I have the same question with Aerogal.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11571 times:

How will it be with AV's codeshare with DL and IB? I read in another forum, that AV will continue its codeshare with IB. Is that possible?

Also read that DL will now offer a year round service between JFK and BOG. This could indicate that AV and DL ties will end.

[Edited 2010-11-10 07:52:20]

[Edited 2010-11-10 07:53:33]

User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
Congratulations to CM and AV/TA! I knew this would happen in order to counter the LAN and TAM combination;

Restating what I wrote in a different thread, I would not assume LATAM is a done deal. The Brazilian government is an odd regulator. TAM brought the case to the government two weeks ago, and they are not even required to tell TAM how long this will take. It is entirely possible the Brazilian government returns a "no way".


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11525 times:
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This probably means LATAM will (partially) switch to OW.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8753 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11481 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Is the conventional wisdom likely correct that this all but guarantees LATAM now goes to oneworld? If so, yeah, that is a massive win for the alliance.

IMO, SkyTeam really does not complement LATAM's future network in areas where both carriers would like to grow.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 14):
You can put whatever gloss you want over this news, but the fact is that Star shut the door in front of LAN.

LAN does not need Star Alliance to grow, and Star knows that very well! LAN already operates into AKL, FRA, SFO, YYZ, etc. without the aid of Star Alliance. LA/JJ together can fill their a/c on routes in which they compete with Star Alliance carriers. For example, SCL-GRU-FRA, SCL-GRU-JNB, SCL-GRU-ZRH, SCL-GIG-BCN, SCL-GIG-FRA, SCL-GIG-LHR etc.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 14):
It will be great to see LH serving LIM, and why not PTY, as well as more frequencies by AV to BCN, that will become Star's main hub in Spain to complement FRA.
I also believe that a service by AV to LHR will allow cooperation there as well, with bmi, SAS, Singapore, LOT, Austrian, Swiss, South African, ANA, Asiana etc

It will be great to see LAN add EZE-MAD, EZE-CPT/JNB, EZE-AKL-SYD/MEL, LIM-IAD, LIM-LHR, LIM-ORD, LIM-NRT, LIM-PTY, LIM-SJO, LIM-YYZ, etc. Plus, JJ can basically drive TP into BK, should JJ launch flights into LIS. It will also be great news to see BA back at BOG and starting a new route to SJO. LAN has AA, BA/IB, CX, JL, QF, plus their affiliates such as Comair, Jetstar, Dragonair, etc. S7 and Kingfisher will also be valuable to LA/JJ's future growth plans.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 19):
Restating what I wrote in a different thread, I would not assume LATAM is a done deal. The Brazilian government is an odd regulator. TAM brought the case to the government two weeks ago, and they are not even required to tell TAM how long this will take. It is entirely possible the Brazilian government returns a "no way".

That may be the case; however do LAN and TAM's routes overlap, (except for the SCL-GRU and LIM-GRU routes)?


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11475 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 14):

You can put whatever gloss you want over this news, but the fact is that Star shut the door in front of LAN.
Star took the initiative and they now have very strong partners in Central and South America.

You could say that, but don't you think that if Star thought they would get LATAM they would wait for that larger prize?



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
I am not sure we should be happy about this. I already suspect COPA and TACA had a sort of cartel / duopoly with their high prices on regional routes, say Guatemala to Nicaragua or Honduras, and with them in bed it can only get worse.

I do agree, I don't think this will be good news for passengers, guess fares will go up anyway; although I do hope they have to go through ATI.



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User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11236 times:

...The "NET" myth that prices will raise is just that, a MYTH.

This should give this area of the globe its´connections and viability. The airlines do NOT want to take the people for fools.
Have some faith........



chootie
25 Dellatorre : I believe many people here are running into a conclusion that the entrance of these new Star partners automaticly means the end of cooperation between
26 Post contains images chootie : AMEN!!!!
27 a300aa : Not only Star Alliance, competing with LAN and Oneworld in the domestic part will not be a piece of cake.....
28 OP3000 : Great move by Star - they are likely to lose JJ if the merger goes through, so this gives them the two other major regional airline groups. The brilli
29 SCL767 : Let's not forget who will own the majority in the combined company and who will be running the parent company, LATAM Airlines Group S.A. Also, what a
30 C010T3 : Neither do I. Or the other way around. We don't know, but the fact that TAM had a vote on this suggests that they are also sure of what they are doin
31 AA1818 : Congrats to *Alliance and AV/TA and CM/P5. A very nice addition to *Alliance. The news certainly made me feel warm and fuzzy inside at the thought of
32 SCL767 : I think it will offer new opportunities for LATAM is Central America. I agree; however the structure of the new holding company complies with Brazili
33 realsim : There's no way TACA + Copa; Avianca + Copa Colombia + LAN Colombia; Aerogal + LAN Ecuador; TACA Perú + LAN Perú; TAM + Avianca Brazil; LAN Chile; L
34 SCL767 : I agree that this is a major win for OneWorld as well. Most importantly, LAN will not fall into the hands of Star Alliance. For me it is extremely im
35 Summa767 : How funny. Were you not saying just a few days ago that OneWorld wanted LAN out because its standards were too good alongside IB and AA? Sour grapes.
36 A388 : Congratulations to AV/TA and CM to joining Star. Rumors have indicated this for quite a while now but as some other members have stated as well, I was
37 IrishAyes : Instead LAN will set the standards for BA, IB, and AA
38 SCL767 : I stated that AA and IB would most likely want to increase their presence into secondary cities, e.g. ASU, CUZ, IQT, MDZ, etc. Perhaps they have offe
39 realsim : That's true for flights from Asia, as SQ operates only to BCN, and Thai and Air China have been asked to study a direct flight. However, I think that
40 OP3000 : How do MAD and BCN stack up in terms of flights to the rest of Europe from the other Star carriers - LH, LX, SK, OS, LO, TP, TK?
41 hiflyer : I fully expect more running from AMR over-dominance in Latin America and in Oneworld....LanTam will go anywhere but Oneworld IMHO...
42 RCS763AV : Tha same goes for the other side. AV's partnership with DL is (was) very strong and they provided good feed to the airline. Though now UA will be lar
43 MAH4546 : There is no "running." LAN fully enjoys the ability to skirt anti-trust laws and cooperate with AMR to South America where Open Skies exists. AA, LAN
44 SCL767 : I do not think that LAN would enter SkyTeam with AR already set to join that alliance. It would create a virtual monopoly in Argentina, (which ANAC w
45 MAH4546 : There are no codeshare restrictions on U.S.-Colombia. AA will be able to place its code on any or all flights. I also fully expect when Aires is full
46 SCL767 : I agree, since MIA is LAN's major focus city in the U.S. It will be nice to finally have a CTG-MIA service operated by a OneWorld carrier! I expect t
47 PPVRA : That's putting way more faith into the system than any Brazilian would put. The ownership/managerial structure is not that simple. Also, those market
48 incitatus : You are looking at the world of alliances with an outdated perspective. In the new context of airlines building joint-ventures, LAN, TAM and OneWorld
49 SCL767 : Yes, IB's domestic network is important for LAN Argentina, LAN Chile, LAN Colombia, LAN Ecuador, and LAN Peru. Also, LA/JJ can't fly into every singl
50 Post contains links C010T3 : The Portuguese Jornal de Negócios reports that Jaan Albrecht said that Star Alliance wants to keep TAM even merged with LAN and is confident that the
51 xiaotung : He said the same thing about MU and FM before they opted for SkyTeam.
52 Post contains images PPVRA : Yeah I knew I was going to regret that statement. Your points make a lot of sense, but. . 1. I think Europe can be handled through existing Star part
53 PlunaCRJ : Well, I hope not. Pluna´s Varig adventure is still fresh in everybody's minds.
54 troest : Are you sure? I could only agree if we are talking on domestic routes in Spain. But in intra european flights IB may not be the most attractive carri
55 RCS763AV : The article states that AV/TA and CM will bring 43 new destinations into the star alliance network, off the top of my head: Avianca: Montería, Cartag
56 SurfandSnow : This is excellent news. Now Latin America remains VERY well covered even if TAM does (as I think it will) leave Star for oneworld.
57 Post contains links kiwiandrew : Interesting update on Flightglobal website http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...a-excludes-avianca-brazil-for.html a couple of fair use extracts fro
58 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : KL AMS-PTY is currently 6x weekly and CM bears the KL code in selected flights out of Panama City. . COPA left SkyTeam as associate member in October
59 yellowtail : WIth this announcement, look for Star to now attempt to make IAH the alternative to MIA. Look for TA to start to grow there, maybe even some P5 flight
60 SJOtoLIR : Continental Airlines already attends that market for the Star Alliance's purposes. The interesting point for Star Alliance is now both Houston and Mi
61 Dellatorre : There is one major thing that people here seem to forget. If TAM goes to Oneworld, what I personally find unlikely, specially because i can't picture
62 SCL767 : What about IB's relationship with BCN based carrier Vueling? CO operates IAH-POS and EWR-POS. However, Kingston would be a new addition. Some IB conn
63 realsim : They can be in the same alliance without ATI like AA+BA have been for more than 10 years, or AA+LAN Argentina/Ecuador, or IB+LA
64 RCS763AV : Because you said so? This is interesting. I would hate one of the brands to go! I thought they were working perfectly! But the one AOC does seem reas
65 MAH4546 : Actually, with this announcement, Star will effectively have a transit hub at MIA, which offers superior O&D to Europe and Latin America over Hou
66 SCL767 : AA does code-share on certain domestic flights operated by 4M. And of course AA/IB code-share on LAN Chile's flights to COR, IPC, etc. However, AA do
67 SCL767 : Seriously, Costa Rica's Tourism Minister is encouraging BA to re-open the route. Several UK carriers will fly into Costa Rica for the upcoming season
68 MAH4546 : But it should be noted that the Ecuador-U.S. bilateral prohibits AA and LAN Ecuador to codeshare.
69 2travel2know2 : I couldn't agree more. There might be legal actions in Colombia to block AV/TA move. The Colombian domestic market will be dominated between now Star
70 SCL767 : I know, it's Ecuador. Even XL has to use Icaro's unused frequencies in order to expand domestically. However, AA should be glad that XL is using avai
71 ColAvionLover : I don't know what to think. I like it and i don't. But is awesome! I have to admit it. Congrats!
72 commavia : AA and TAM won't be getting ATI because the U.S. and Brazil don't have Open Skies. The same goes for any U.S. carrier - no matter how small its Brazi
73 OP3000 : The other big winner in this deal may be AV Brasil. From the comments made by the Star CEO I gathered that their entry pass is on its way if JJ leaves
74 aer : You said it better than I did, and I do forsee GUA becoming a *A fortress along with the rest of Cental America.. And I doubt that oneworld or skytea
75 troest : Vueling is IB's low cost carrier and flies to holiday destinations from BCN. Vueling has no flights to Germany or north of Europe. Besides, it flies
76 robffm2 : While I do agree that AB Brasil is to become a winner I certainly disagree with your reasoning. Their entry pass is in no way connected to TAM leavin
77 Post contains links and images STT757 : I'm happy to see AV/TA joining Star, hopefully this means AV will return to EWR. AV used to fly a daily EWR-MDE-CLO with a 757; View Large View Medium
78 2travel2know2 : If CO already flies EWR-BOG, then chances AV could also fly that route are rather slim. Most likely UA would preffer AV to concentrate its Colombia-N
79 Summa767 : Would be nice. Or even CO flying from MDE and/or CLO from EWR
80 STT757 : Previously AV flew EWR-MDE-CLO, which I think makes sense for them to do again. UA: EWR-BOG AV: EWR-MDE-CLO
81 LipeGIG : Nice news but i keep thinking that in some places there will be some issues, IF Latam goes to Star: - Peru, we are talking about the two large players
82 Post contains links troest : This is a bit off topic but Colombia and the USA has just agreed today on an open skies agreement commencing by 2012 Source only in spanish: http://ww
83 LAXdude1023 : Really??? OneWorld has MIA, JFK, and MAD as hubs (and LHR as well). Those are the three largest international destinations for Latin America (minus B
84 LJ : Thus you consider ATH, BUD, VIE, DME, MXP, FCO, ZRH, AMS and BRU "secondary airports"?
85 troest : Of course not and point taken. However, is Vueling a good substitute for IB in BCN in terms of connectivity in Europe?
86 LJ : For Y class I wonder what the difference is (apart from the luggage fee). Flying Y on IB in Europe is like flying a LCC with the exception that you d
87 cybergus : Add Maracaibo (MAR) to that list. cheers
88 troest : But in terms of connectivity to and from BCN it is not the best option either whether it is for Y or J pax.
89 kiwiandrew : One point I find very interesting in this is the behind the scenes politics within *A . As Star requires unanimous support for new members this means
90 2travel2know2 : Did somebody @ LA headquarters in SCL knew JJ was going to favour its competitors making them have easy entry into Star Alliance? Had JJ blocked AV/T
91 RCS763AV : Then you should have said so instead of It's going to happen!!!! And that doesn't mean it will actually do. The colombian tourism minister has talked
92 LipeGIG : Kiwi, there's a lot to consider. First, the fact that they will join Star, as JJ knows, means a lot of work in terms of IT (systems, reservation syst
93 incitatus : In the definition of Northern Europe, do you wish to include London? London is by a significant margin a richer market (the richest) in Europe. Then
94 SJOtoLIR : In my view, the partnership named AV-TA was essential for their former plans in order to join to Star Alliance. TA already sustained commercial agreem
95 danimarroquin : DL is not happy at all with Av's decision , it will cut the co-sharing on JUN 2011 . great for AV to join the star !!!
96 OP3000 : I think the discussion about whether JJ will stay in Star is quite simple. If the LATAM deal goes through LA and JJ will be part of the same alliance
97 777jaah : Of course DL is pissed. I would be pissed if I were DL CEO, but hell, that's business. I wonder if we'll ever see any Colombia-Chicago flights? Maybe
98 A388 : By the way, when will the first AV aircraft be painted in Star Alliance colors and which aircraft type will it be? A332, A320, F100? A388
99 OP3000 : If I were DL I would be more upset at their European partners (AF/KL), which like in the case of JL did little on their part to help secure new partn
100 jfk777 : With Avianca and Taca joining Star they would be better flying to Houston, providing a good southern US midwest hub for connections. Chicago is too f
101 Post contains links commavia : More from Flight Global: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/12/349687/star-prepares-for-battle-to-win-lan-tam-allegiance.html "Star prepares
102 STT757 : North Bergen NJ has a huge Colombian population.
103 LJ : However, KL will continue codesharing with CM (at least to some reports).
104 SJOtoLIR : I don't foresee this move. CO already flies to several destinations in Central America and Colombia, where TA and AV are currently operating there. T
105 2travel2know2 : If CM (and CO/UA for that matter) can keep earning OnePass miles on CM codeshared KL AMS-PTY-AMS, that route may continue. When LH decides to make a
106 Post contains links kiwiandrew : I think perhaps you should read the article from Flightglobal I linked to in post 57 http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...a-excludes-avianca-brazil
107 commavia : Now the question becomes - is TAM just participating in the Star growth process in South America to go through the motions as an active member now, w
108 LJ : I doubt that it CM pax are the ones driving AMS-PTY. KL feeds a lot of pax on the CM network ex PTY. I don't think many CM pax will use AMS-PTY. Ther
109 LipeGIG : Thanks Kiwi, but it is strange to say that as they were not included on the first package. LH appetite could be explained by the need to garantee a S
110 aer : I think you meant Colombia
111 kiwiandrew : If you read the whole article you will see that there is nothing strange about it ,O6 currently has a different legal ownership than AV/TA so they ar
112 SJOtoLIR : I see the opposite. CM PTY-MGA-GUA, CM PTY-MGA-SAL, CM PTY-SJO-MGA, CM PTY-SJO-TGU, CM PTY-SJO-SAP, CM PTY-SJO-GUA, CM PTY-SAL, CM PTY-MGA, CM PTY-GU
113 GlobalCabotage : Maybe now we will finally see ORD-PTY!
114 United787 : I wouldn't rule out an ORD-BOG or even an ORD-LIM in the future. Could this mean mainline returning to ORD-MIA for UA? As discussed earlier, I think S
115 GlobalCabotage : If UA wants to make ORD the new GatewUAy to the world, BOG, LIM, and EZE would fit in with connections to Europe and/or Asia. Also, PTY to ORD will pr
116 SJOtoLIR : Wouldn't this pattern to Europe be launched from IAD instead? TA, AV and CM are already flying to Washington Dulles and this station is capable to ma
117 OP3000 : That's a valid point. In that sense a PTY-SFO flight would work better - rangewise its the same distance as PTY-EZE which AFAIK is CM's longest fligh
118 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MVD is rather its longest flight by now. Regards.
119 2travel2know2 : Hope it's UA/CO which flies the route, not to suffer a possible CM PTY-ORD evening and ORD-PTY very late red-eyes with almost none good and comfortab
120 SJOtoLIR : UA/CO deploys very limited flights to Latin America out of IAD using their own planes. I rather visualize a possible expansion in the ways of coopera
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