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OAG Changes 11/12/2010:AA/AS/CO/UA/DL/FL/G4/NK/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route


AA
DFW-GJT 2>3 FEB-
DFW-MSN 2>3 FEB-
DFW-PIA 2>3 FEB-
DFW-QRO 0>1 FEB-
ORD-AZO 6>5 APR-
ORD-CMI 5>6 FEB-
ORD-FWA 3>4 FEB-
ORD-SPI 3>2 APR-

AS
GEG-SJC 1>0 JAN-
GEG-SMF 1>0 JAN-
LAX-RNO 3>2 MAR-
PDX-SEA 21>22 JAN-MAR
SJC-SMF 2>1 JAN-

CO
EWR-GSP 2>3 MAR
IAH-PVR 4>3 MAR-APR
MCO-MIA 4>5 DEC-

UA
UA adopted CO's traditional program of heavy mid-week cancel downs with day of week cancellations extending through June on many routes. These are flights cut per month using mid-week cancels. The cuts are nearly 2% of total departures in some hubs for some months.

DEN
JAN 25502>25329 -.7%
FEB 23606>23376 -1%
MAR 27022>26914 -.4%
APR 25692>25684 -.1%
IAD
JAN 11912>11728 -1.6%
FEB 10931>10834 -.8%
ORD
JAN 35956>35360 -1.7%
FEB 33153>32797 -1.1%
MAR 37579>37428 -.5%
APR 36466>36154 -.8%
MAY 37716>37424 -.7%
SFO
JAN 14797>14640 -1.1%
FEB 13513>13388 -1%
MAR 15371>15308 -.5%
APR 14972>14909 -.5%

ORD-DCA 15>14 JAN-
ORD-LGA 17>16 JAN-

DL
ATL-CVG 7>8 MAR-
ATL-ELP 3>2 MAY-
ATL-MGM 6>7 MAR-APR
ATL-MKE 7>6 MAY-
CVG-CDG 1>6/WK JAN-FEB
DTW-PHX 4>5 MAR-
DTW-TRI 0>1 FEB
DTW-XNA 3>2 JUN-
DTW-YQB 3>2 MAY-
JFK-AMM 4/WK>3/WK JAN-FEB
JFK-ATH 1>6/WK JAN-FEB
JFK-FCO 1>6/WK JAN-FEB
JFK-PHX 1>2 MAR-
JFK-SNA 4/WK>0 JAN-FEB; 1>0 MAR-
MEM-AMS 1>5/WK JAN-FEB
MEM-TLH 1>0 JAN-
MSP-BIS 7>6 MAR-APR
MSP-IAD 3>4 MAR-APR
SLC-SGU 7>3 JAN-FEB; Odd?
SLC-SUN 6>7 JAN-FEB

FL
DFW-MKE 2>0 JAN-

G4
Some of these take place in Dec and some in Feb. I don't analyze these too much because G4 doesn't take great care with their OAG filings since they don't use GDS distribution much, but this is a significant change because of the SFB>MCO move.
ABE-MCO 0.6>0.0
ABE-SFB 0.0>0.9
AZA-BZN 0.3>0.0
AZA-IDA 0.3>0.0
AZA-MLI 0.3>0.3
AZA-XNA 0.1>0.0
BLI-LAS 1.4>2.1
BLI-PSP 0.4>0.3
BZN-AZA 0.3>0.0
CID-LAS 0.3>0.6
DSM-MCO 0.4>0.0
DSM-SFB 0.0>0.3
ELM-FLL 0.3>0.0
FLL-ELM 0.3>0.0
GRR-MCO 0.3>0.0
GRR-PGD 0.3>0.0
GRR-SFB 0.0>0.6
GSO-PGD 0.3>0.0
GSP-MCO 0.4>0.0
GSP-SFB 0.0>0.6
HTS-MCO 0.3>0.0
HTS-SFB 0.0>0.4
IDA-AZA 0.3>0.0
LAS-BFL 0.4>0.4
LAS-BLI 2.1>1.5
LAS-EUG 0.0>0.3
LAS-MFE 0.7>0.9
LAS-MSO 0.3>0.3
LEX-MCO 0.3>0.0
LEX-PGD 0.3>0.0
LEX-SFB 0.0>0.3
MCO-ABE 0.6>0.0
MCO-DSM 0.4>0.0
MCO-GRR 0.3>0.0
MCO-GSP 0.4>0.0
MCO-HTS 0.3>0.0
MCO-LEX 0.3>0.0
MCO-SGF 0.3>0.0
MCO-TRI 0.3>0.0
MCO-TYS 0.4>0.0
MCO-YNG 0.3>0.0
MFE-LAS 0.7>0.9
MLI-AZA 0.3>0.3
MSO-LAS 0.3>0.3
PGD-GRR 0.3>0.0
PGD-GSO 0.3>0.0
PGD-LEX 0.3>0.0
PIA-PIE 0.1>0.3
PIE-PIA 0.1>0.3
PIE-YNG 0.3>0.0
PSP-BLI 0.4>0.3
SFB-ABE 0.0>1.0
SFB-DSM 0.0>0.3
SFB-GRR 0.0>0.6
SFB-GSP 0.0>0.6
SFB-HTS 0.0>0.4
SFB-LEX 0.0>0.3
SFB-SGF 0.0>0.6
SFB-TRI 0.0>0.3
SFB-TYS 0.0>0.7
SFB-YNG 0.0>0.3
SGF-MCO 0.3>0.0
SGF-SFB 0.0>0.6
TRI-MCO 0.3>0.0
TRI-SFB 0.0>0.3
TYS-MCO 0.4>0.0
TYS-SFB 0.0>0.7
XNA-AZA 0.1>0.0
YNG-MCO 0.3>0.0
YNG-PIE 0.3>0.0
YNG-SFB 0.0>0.3

NK
FLL-LAS 2>1 MAY-
FLL-ORD 5>4 FEB-
FLL-SDQ 3>2 MAY-

PD
MYR-YTZ 0>4/WK FEB-

US
BOS-CUN 0>1/WK FEB-APR
CLT-FLO 5>6 JAN-
CLT-LYH 5>6 JAN-
CLT-DAB 3>4 FEB

WN
Loaded weekend reductions for January. Unusual for them to do cancel-downs after the schedule is already loaded.

Y4
LAX-MLM 4/WK>6/WK FEB-
LAX-TLC 4/WK>1 DEC-JAN
LAX-ZCL 3/WK>5/WK FEB-
OAK-GDL 2>1 FEB-

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User currently onlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

My favorite posting of each week!
Thanks!


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SLC-SGU 7>3 JAN-FEB; Odd?

Possibly related to the new SGU opening and DL starting to use CRJs on the route?


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-TLH 1>0 JAN-

Poor TLH, truly one of DL's red-headed stepchildren.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10123 times:

AA reducing O'Hare to Springfield, IL to twice daily is a little surprising. You would think there is a fair amount of traffic between Chicago and Illinois' capital, unless people are simply driving or taking Amtrak more and flying less.

User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10080 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 1):
My favorite posting of each week!
Thanks!

        



B1B - best looking aircraft ever.
User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10038 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4

A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 1):
My favorite posting of each week!

     
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Possibly related to the new SGU opening

What new SGU opening?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-TLH 1>0 JAN-
Poor TLH, truly one of DL's red-headed stepchildren.

I think this continues a trend I spied a couple of months ago. As soon as DL entered negotiations with CVG over dumping their terminal and such on them, they have refrained from much in the way of cuts...but MEM has started to be on a downward trajectory since then in terms of destinations served. I don't know if that means MEM is in trouble or if they are simply unable to pry more planes loose from CVG while they negotiate so they have to come from somewhere and MEM is next on the list.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 4):
AA reducing O'Hare to Springfield, IL to twice daily is a little surprising. You would think there is a fair amount of traffic between Chicago and Illinois' capital, unless people are simply driving or taking Amtrak more and flying less.

I always find it interesting when an airline does a press release for new services like AA did recently with the ORD frequencies, but we don't find out what got cut to do it until the OAG update.

Quoting BooDog (Reply 5):

 
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 6):
A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.

No idea. I usually don't even post the G4 changes because they tend to be erratic, but again this had the SFB-MCO move so I included the whole mess. Check G4's website and see if they are still for sale and report back for us!!!


User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
What new SGU opening?

Brand new airport on the other side of town!!


User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5495 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9512 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS
GEG-SJC 1>0 JAN-
GEG-SMF 1>0 JAN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SJC-SMF 2>1 JAN-

Well.........that didn't last long.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-SNA 4/WK>0 JAN-FEB; 1>0 MAR

Well.........that didn't last long either.

You gotta appreciate carriers for trying, but you gotta lament the loss of the unique.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinejkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9193 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SLC-SGU 7>3 JAN-FEB; Odd?
SLC-SGU is actually going from 7x EM2 to 4x CRJ,1x EM2 (3x CRJ on sat, sun) beginning Jan 13 to coincide with the new airport opening.

SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU (by xpfg Nov 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)



[Edited 2010-11-10 10:30:12]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7541 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

Glad to see DFW-QRO and DFW-VER are finally up for booking!


Stewed...Lewd...Crude...Irreverent...Belligerent
User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Who would have thought that the ill-timed JFK-SNA flights wouldn't have worked??????

User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4

A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.

When G4 announces service they don't wait to operate a few months to see if low boardings will grow. They'll cancel on a new market entirely, before service starts, if the numbers aren't there.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineuncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 13):
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4

A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.

When G4 announces service they don't wait to operate a few months to see if low boardings will grow. They'll cancel on a new market entirely, before service starts, if the numbers aren't there.

All the new flights....PGD-LEX, PGD-GSO, FLL-ELM, etc. are still bookable through April on allegiantair.com


User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8561 times:

Interesting to see YNG losing PIE so soon after the deal they just entered into with G4....

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Quoting OOSLC (Reply 8):
Brand new airport on the other side of town!!

Isn't it unusual to retain the same 3 letter identifier?

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Well.........that didn't last long.

That may be related to the plan to convert QX to only ASM purchase flying for AS.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Well.........that didn't last long either.

SNA-JFK was doomed. They should have left the flight where it was instead of moving it to JFK.


User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8498 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Isn't it unusual to retain the same 3 letter identifier?

Not when the old SGU/KSGU will be closed permanently. The new SGU airport is a replacement airport. When Denver International Airport opened in 1995, the DEN/KDEN identifiers were transferred from Stapleton to the new DIA as well.



Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
User currently offlineoflanigan From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 15):
Interesting to see YNG losing PIE so soon after the deal they just entered into with G4....

I was thinking the same thing. Anyone know what the deal is. Service was to begin Nov. 17 according to the PIE airport website.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS
GEG-SJC 1>0 JAN-
GEG-SMF 1>0 JAN-

Well, that's the end of the GEG focus city. There will now just be SEA (AS/QX) and PDX (QX) out of there. I must admit, over the years they really have tried just about every conceivable thing out of there (SMF, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc.). Too bad none of it worked out.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SJC-SMF 2>1 JAN-

The O&D on this one must be incredibly low. Do they really see a bunch of folks connecting through SJC and/or SMF to justify the flight? Or is it just a means of a/c or crew repositioning?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-SNA 4/WK>0 JAN-FEB; 1>0 MAR-

It's unbelievable that SNA has supported virtually none of its new air service, other than WN to SFO, DEN, and MDW. VX and AC quickly pulled out, DL tried not one but two unique Eastern destinations, and even CO's Hawaii flights had to be reduced to seasonal. The folks at the airport used to brag about a long list of airlines wanting in and/or incumbents wanting to expand. With all these failures, I have to wonder if that is still the case. I think the airport folks should be trying much harder to get residents to use SNA instead of LGB and LAX.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
PD
MYR-YTZ 0>4/WK FEB-

Why are they wasting valuable slots on this route? Couldn't they be put to better use serving a key business market like PHL?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US
BOS-CUN 0>1/WK FEB-APR
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4

I thought BOS was now a network spoke? Are they still serving other leisure hotspots out of there?



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Well.........that didn't last long either.

SNA-JFK was doomed.

Yes, but one city's loss is another city's gain. PHX-JFK goes up to 2 daily. The additional flight is a redeye and competes with both US and B6.

So next summer, there will be 3 daytime PHX-JFK flights (2 on US, 1 on DL), and 3 redeye flights (1 each DL, B6, US). It looks like B6 drops their daytime PHX-JFK flight in the summer (or has not yet been loaded in the system).

I don't recall ever seeing redeyes making up 50% of the total flights from PHX-JFK. This seems very high.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8156 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Quoting OOSLC (Reply 8):
Brand new airport on the other side of town!!

Isn't it unusual to retain the same 3 letter identifier?

:Not when the old airport closes when the new one opens which I believe is the plan for SGU.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 19):
Well, that's the end of the GEG focus city. There will now just be SEA (AS/QX) and PDX (QX) out of there. I must admit, over the years they really have tried just about every conceivable thing out of there (SMF, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc.). Too bad none of it worked out.

Unfortunately, the BOI/GEG focus cities (once full-fledged hubs for QX with near or over 50 flights a day) have long been gone. Luckily SEA-GEG and BOI-GEG still have as much service as they do. It's just now it's mostly spoke flying...

Unrelated question: I've noticed that on Wednesdays in early-mid December, DL is flying 4 mainline in one day between BOI-SLC... is this a glitch or for real? If its real, that's the first time they've offered 4 mainline in a day on that route since probably 1999-2000. Considering the norm is 2x daily mainline, anyone know why they'd suddenly do 4 just on Wednesdays? Regardless, I'm happy to see it.  

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineMeteorologist From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 22):

Unfortunately, the BOI/GEG focus cities (once full-fledged hubs for QX with near or over 50 flights a day) have long been gone. Luckily SEA-GEG and BOI-GEG still have as much service as they do. It's just now it's mostly spoke flying...

If I'm not mistaken, BOI-GEG is down to 2x a day and only on WN as of their new schedule. QX dropped the route after Labor day in 2009. The funny part personally is that I stopped using the route in August 2009, and I had been taking it at least weekly. Just one of those weird coincidences, I guess...


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Whoops! Sorry, I meant SEA-GEG, and SEA-BOI, not BOI-GEG. Freudian slip.  

Yeah, too bad that BOI-GEG is gone, I used to fly that all the time, that was one of QX's oldest routes.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


25 Post contains images Meteorologist : For sure, it is too bad. It seemed to die a slow death after being cut from 3x to 2x per day on QX. They played around with the times enough in its l
26 LAXintl : I well recall the DL fan boys praising the new flight. Yes there are 3 new entrant airlines on the list -- AirTran, Westjet and Horizon. County board
27 smoot4208 : Horizon is the only carrier that I could see still wanting them. Westjet has to be cautious about wanting the slots after AC failed there. And I can'
28 laca773 : Actually, I'm not surprised. As we all know, travel in January and February is extremely slow. I think DL will bring it back when demand picks back u
29 mtnwest1979 : [quote=SurfandSnow,reply=19]The O&D on this one must be incredibly low. Do they really see a bunch of folks connecting through SJC and/or SMF to
30 enilria : Good point. It has to be a repo/tag. I didn't even know they flew it. We don't know that stuff even does well. They only added SFO/DEN to shaft VX an
31 LAXintl : Well considering the planned purchase by SWA, makes absolute sense for FL to acquire slots IMO which can get passed downline to SWA. Slots are not ma
32 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : This is interesting to me. I know overall most airports see lulls in that time but January and February are high months for skiier visits. DEN and SL
33 enilria : Jan 7-Feb 12 is a lull for DEN, but keep in mind leisure (ski) doesn't fly much on Tue/Wed and that's when most of these flights were cut. These were
34 Post contains images OA412 : God forbid DL try a new route and someone be supportive of it. They tried it and it didn't work. At the very least, they tried it. I realize that som
35 wwtraveler99 : Westjet is supposed to do noise checks before the end of the year. WW
36 flyinryan99 : It shows on their website through 5/14. Maybe they aren't running it over the summer and that's what OAG picked up.
37 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : oh ok that makes more sense then, thanks
38 Post contains images enilria : Well, by trying it they took it away from another Delta hub. Clearly it was worse at JFK than DTW given that it lasted hardly any time. That makes me
39 LAXintl : We'll it would help the credibility of some if they would take off the rose color glasses and be a bit critical of DL moves instead of clapping for e
40 enilria : Domination of slots by one carrier is always bad. Note how much DAL fares have gone up. BTW, I realize it's not technically slot restricted there, bu
41 gmcc : It looks like there may a change coming to the way slots are awarded. From the up coming agenda from the SNA airport commission agenda. Not exactly s
42 LAXintl : We agree to disagree. I don't buy the Southwest domination argument especially here in California. SWA is the #1 airline at all state airports it ser
43 ScottB : One of the biggest reasons DAL fares have gone up is the fact that tickets from DAL aren't restricted to the within-perimeter cities anymore. A DAL-S
44 enilria : Does that explain why the average fare in DOT from DAL to HOU has gone from $65 to $110 in the last 5 years, while air fares have gone down overall?
45 FutureUScapt : It seems as if DFW-MKE will resume in March for FL. Perhaps this is a misload and will be corrected again next week, or it could be that they are just
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