enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8376 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
CO
EWR-GSP 2>3 MAR
IAH-PVR 4>3 MAR-APR
MCO-MIA 4>5 DEC-
UA
UA adopted CO's traditional program of heavy mid-week cancel downs with day of week cancellations extending through June on many routes. These are flights cut per month using mid-week cancels. The cuts are nearly 2% of total departures in some hubs for some months.
DEN
JAN 25502>25329 -.7%
FEB 23606>23376 -1%
MAR 27022>26914 -.4%
APR 25692>25684 -.1%
IAD
JAN 11912>11728 -1.6%
FEB 10931>10834 -.8%
ORD
JAN 35956>35360 -1.7%
FEB 33153>32797 -1.1%
MAR 37579>37428 -.5%
APR 36466>36154 -.8%
MAY 37716>37424 -.7%
SFO
JAN 14797>14640 -1.1%
FEB 13513>13388 -1%
MAR 15371>15308 -.5%
APR 14972>14909 -.5%
sldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8329 times:
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8199 times:
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8193 times:
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8196 times:
AA reducing O'Hare to Springfield, IL to twice daily is a little surprising. You would think there is a fair amount of traffic between Chicago and Illinois' capital, unless people are simply driving or taking Amtrak more and flying less.
BooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8153 times:
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8111 times:
A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3): Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-TLH 1>0 JAN-
Poor TLH, truly one of DL's red-headed stepchildren.
I think this continues a trend I spied a couple of months ago. As soon as DL entered negotiations with CVG over dumping their terminal and such on them, they have refrained from much in the way of cuts...but MEM has started to be on a downward trajectory since then in terms of destinations served. I don't know if that means MEM is in trouble or if they are simply unable to pry more planes loose from CVG while they negotiate so they have to come from somewhere and MEM is next on the list.
Quoting ckfred (Reply 4): AA reducing O'Hare to Springfield, IL to twice daily is a little surprising. You would think there is a fair amount of traffic between Chicago and Illinois' capital, unless people are simply driving or taking Amtrak more and flying less.
I always find it interesting when an airline does a press release for new services like AA did recently with the ORD frequencies, but we don't find out what got cut to do it until the OAG update.
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 6): A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.
No idea. I usually don't even post the G4 changes because they tend to be erratic, but again this had the SFB-MCO move so I included the whole mess. Check G4's website and see if they are still for sale and report back for us!!!
OOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7766 times:
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4543 posts, RR: 28 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7585 times:
jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7266 times:
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2666 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7065 times:
Who would have thought that the ill-timed JFK-SNA flights wouldn't have worked??????
dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 808 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6785 times:
A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.
When G4 announces service they don't wait to operate a few months to see if low boardings will grow. They'll cancel on a new market entirely, before service starts, if the numbers aren't there.
uncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 330 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6781 times:
A few of these routes were recently announced such as ELM-FLL and I believe PGD-LEX, I wonder if its an error, or if they are in fact being cancelled already.
When G4 announces service they don't wait to operate a few months to see if low boardings will grow. They'll cancel on a new market entirely, before service starts, if the numbers aren't there.
All the new flights....PGD-LEX, PGD-GSO, FLL-ELM, etc. are still bookable through April on allegiantair.com
toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6634 times:
Interesting to see YNG losing PIE so soon after the deal they just entered into with G4....
OH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1428 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6571 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 16): Isn't it unusual to retain the same 3 letter identifier?
Not when the old SGU/KSGU will be closed permanently. The new SGU airport is a replacement airport. When Denver International Airport opened in 1995, the DEN/KDEN identifiers were transferred from Stapleton to the new DIA as well.
Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
oflanigan From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6527 times:
Quoting toltommy (Reply 15): Interesting to see YNG losing PIE so soon after the deal they just entered into with G4....
I was thinking the same thing. Anyone know what the deal is. Service was to begin Nov. 17 according to the PIE airport website.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6413 times:
Well, that's the end of the GEG focus city. There will now just be SEA (AS/QX) and PDX (QX) out of there. I must admit, over the years they really have tried just about every conceivable thing out of there (SMF, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc.). Too bad none of it worked out.
The O&D on this one must be incredibly low. Do they really see a bunch of folks connecting through SJC and/or SMF to justify the flight? Or is it just a means of a/c or crew repositioning?
It's unbelievable that SNA has supported virtually none of its new air service, other than WN to SFO, DEN, and MDW. VX and AC quickly pulled out, DL tried not one but two unique Eastern destinations, and even CO's Hawaii flights had to be reduced to seasonal. The folks at the airport used to brag about a long list of airlines wanting in and/or incumbents wanting to expand. With all these failures, I have to wonder if that is still the case. I think the airport folks should be trying much harder to get residents to use SNA instead of LGB and LAX.
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1454 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6384 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 16): Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Well.........that didn't last long either.
SNA-JFK was doomed.
Yes, but one city's loss is another city's gain. PHX-JFK goes up to 2 daily. The additional flight is a redeye and competes with both US and B6.
So next summer, there will be 3 daytime PHX-JFK flights (2 on US, 1 on DL), and 3 redeye flights (1 each DL, B6, US). It looks like B6 drops their daytime PHX-JFK flight in the summer (or has not yet been loaded in the system).
I don't recall ever seeing redeyes making up 50% of the total flights from PHX-JFK. This seems very high.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6201 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 19): Well, that's the end of the GEG focus city. There will now just be SEA (AS/QX) and PDX (QX) out of there. I must admit, over the years they really have tried just about every conceivable thing out of there (SMF, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc.). Too bad none of it worked out.
Unfortunately, the BOI/GEG focus cities (once full-fledged hubs for QX with near or over 50 flights a day) have long been gone. Luckily SEA-GEG and BOI-GEG still have as much service as they do. It's just now it's mostly spoke flying...
Unrelated question: I've noticed that on Wednesdays in early-mid December, DL is flying 4 mainline in one day between BOI-SLC... is this a glitch or for real? If its real, that's the first time they've offered 4 mainline in a day on that route since probably 1999-2000. Considering the norm is 2x daily mainline, anyone know why they'd suddenly do 4 just on Wednesdays? Regardless, I'm happy to see it.
Meteorologist From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5810 times:
Quoting Airport (Reply 22):
Unfortunately, the BOI/GEG focus cities (once full-fledged hubs for QX with near or over 50 flights a day) have long been gone. Luckily SEA-GEG and BOI-GEG still have as much service as they do. It's just now it's mostly spoke flying...
If I'm not mistaken, BOI-GEG is down to 2x a day and only on WN as of their new schedule. QX dropped the route after Labor day in 2009. The funny part personally is that I stopped using the route in August 2009, and I had been taking it at least weekly. Just one of those weird coincidences, I guess...
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5779 times:
Whoops! Sorry, I meant SEA-GEG, and SEA-BOI, not BOI-GEG. Freudian slip.
Yeah, too bad that BOI-GEG is gone, I used to fly that all the time, that was one of QX's oldest routes.
Cheers!
Anthony/Airport
25 Meteorologist: For sure, it is too bad. It seemed to die a slow death after being cut from 3x to 2x per day on QX. They played around with the times enough in its l
26 LAXintl: I well recall the DL fan boys praising the new flight. Yes there are 3 new entrant airlines on the list -- AirTran, Westjet and Horizon. County board
27 smoot4208: Horizon is the only carrier that I could see still wanting them. Westjet has to be cautious about wanting the slots after AC failed there. And I can'
28 laca773: Actually, I'm not surprised. As we all know, travel in January and February is extremely slow. I think DL will bring it back when demand picks back u
29 mtnwest1979: [quote=SurfandSnow,reply=19]The O&D on this one must be incredibly low. Do they really see a bunch of folks connecting through SJC and/or SMF to
30 enilria: Good point. It has to be a repo/tag. I didn't even know they flew it. We don't know that stuff even does well. They only added SFO/DEN to shaft VX an
31 LAXintl: Well considering the planned purchase by SWA, makes absolute sense for FL to acquire slots IMO which can get passed downline to SWA. Slots are not ma
32 SlcDeltaRUmd11: This is interesting to me. I know overall most airports see lulls in that time but January and February are high months for skiier visits. DEN and SL
33 enilria: Jan 7-Feb 12 is a lull for DEN, but keep in mind leisure (ski) doesn't fly much on Tue/Wed and that's when most of these flights were cut. These were
34 OA412: God forbid DL try a new route and someone be supportive of it. They tried it and it didn't work. At the very least, they tried it. I realize that som
35 wwtraveler99: Westjet is supposed to do noise checks before the end of the year. WW
36 flyinryan99: It shows on their website through 5/14. Maybe they aren't running it over the summer and that's what OAG picked up.
37 SlcDeltaRUmd11: oh ok that makes more sense then, thanks
38 enilria: Well, by trying it they took it away from another Delta hub. Clearly it was worse at JFK than DTW given that it lasted hardly any time. That makes me
39 LAXintl: We'll it would help the credibility of some if they would take off the rose color glasses and be a bit critical of DL moves instead of clapping for e
40 enilria: Domination of slots by one carrier is always bad. Note how much DAL fares have gone up. BTW, I realize it's not technically slot restricted there, bu
41 gmcc: It looks like there may a change coming to the way slots are awarded. From the up coming agenda from the SNA airport commission agenda. Not exactly s
42 LAXintl: We agree to disagree. I don't buy the Southwest domination argument especially here in California. SWA is the #1 airline at all state airports it ser
43 ScottB: One of the biggest reasons DAL fares have gone up is the fact that tickets from DAL aren't restricted to the within-perimeter cities anymore. A DAL-S
44 enilria: Does that explain why the average fare in DOT from DAL to HOU has gone from $65 to $110 in the last 5 years, while air fares have gone down overall?
45 FutureUScapt: It seems as if DFW-MKE will resume in March for FL. Perhaps this is a misload and will be corrected again next week, or it could be that they are just
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