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New Domestic AA Routes @ JFK & LGA?  
User currently offlineba744phx From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Hey Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knew if AA might add any new domestic routes at JFK or LGA. I was able to find the largest markets not served by AA at either JFK or LGA from
JFK" target="_blank">http://paxdata.airlineempires.net/topcities.php?origin=JFK
LGA" target="_blank">http://paxdata.airlineempires.net/topcities.php?origin=LGA
Data from 1Q 2010

City, rank in number of daily passengers at either LGA or JFK
Tampa (9th JFK, 16 LGA)
Phoenix (10th JFK)
Fort Myers (11th JFK, 30th LGA)
Denver (26th JFK, 11th LGA)
Buffalo (13th JFK)
Salt Lake City (14th JFK)
Houston (15th LGA)
Long Beach (17th JFK)
New Orleans (20th JFK)
Milwaukee (19th LGA)

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

I guess there are two ways AA can try these. They could fly out of JFK and connect to European flights, or they can go out of LGA and appeal to business travelers with frequency like they did starting LGA-MSP.

AA tried LGB and its dominated by B6 so i think thats not gonna happen
All others are LGA possible except SLC and PHX would need to be JFK they are past the perimeter rule for LGA.

DL flys DEN-JFK and its timed for the European flights. DL also just increased JFK-PHX to twice daily so that might be tough to enter. DEN, SLC and PHX all require alot of hours of a plane maybe something shorter is more realistic

Maybe BUF could be a nice Eagle route to help business customers, its really short dosn't use much flight time could be squeezed into the schedule easier since the flight time is so short. Plus BUF is so close that NY has more connection options.

[Edited 2010-11-10 21:55:24]

User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

With AA now working with B6 I think some of those are covered (BUF, TPA, SLC, RSW, LGB, MSY, etc).

On the LGA-DEN route you have UA with multiple daily flights and UA has the hub at DEN on the other end. Best case AA could try for connecting pax out of DEN but I would guess most of those are being routed via ORD.

On LGA-IAH you've got CO(UA) with the same situation - hub on one end. AA might not attract enough pax to make it work.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 2):
On LGA-IAH you've got CO(UA) with the same situation - hub on one end. AA might not attract enough pax to make it work.

AA was flying LGA-HOU-AUS for a number of years, LGA-HOU or JFK-HOU might be worth reinstating for AA.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 1):
DL flys DEN-JFK and its timed for the European flights. DL also just increased JFK-PHX to twice daily so that might be tough to enter. DEN, SLC and PHX all require alot of hours of a plane maybe something shorter is more realistic

I think AA will use B6 as much as possible on some of these routes. However, in some cases it would mean that B6 would need to re-time some of their flights.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 2):
On the LGA-DEN route you have UA with multiple daily flights and UA has the hub at DEN on the other end. Best case AA could try for connecting pax out of DEN but I would guess most of those are being routed via ORD.
DEN is outside the perimeter. UA's flights were given an exception to fly DEN-LGA. AA cannot fly the route unless they apply and are granted permission to fly the route.

[Edited 2010-11-11 07:35:04]

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 4):
DEN is outside the perimeter. UA's flights were given an exception to fly DEN-LGA. AA cannot fly the route unless they applied and given permission/exception to fly the route

No the exemption is for Denver itself, not the airlines flying to Denver. Any airline can fly LGA-DEN, the airport was grandfathered into the perimeter restrictions.



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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 2):
With AA now working with B6 I think some of those are covered (BUF, TPA, SLC, RSW, LGB, MSY, etc).

Great point forgot about that.. With B6 AA pretty much has the major markets covered for international connections at least @JFK. Hopefully they will work out a FF flier exchange for domestic flights if they havn't already


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Nashville is already served from LaGuardia and will also be served from JFK starting in April.

Quoting EricR (Reply 4):
DEN is outside the perimeter. UA's flights were given an exception to fly DEN-LGA. AA cannot fly the route unless they apply and are granted permission to fly the route.

That is not correct. Any airline can fly DEN-LGA. Denver is an exception to the perimeter for all airlines.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Doesn't AA fly TPA-JFK once a day with a "Boeing Super 80?" or whatever stupid name AA calls it these days.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):

Yes they did at least back in 2007 when I flew lga-mco on an AA 757. Also they flew lga-fll (moved to kennedy)

I can see AA flying jfk-den on a 738 sometime in the near future.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3742 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3237 times:
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Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
Doesn't AA fly TPA-JFK once a day with a "Boeing Super 80?" or whatever stupid name AA calls it these days.

No, it's a 737-800.
JFK-FLL is a Super 80.



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
Doesn't AA fly TPA-JFK once a day with a "Boeing Super 80?" or whatever stupid name AA calls it these days.

No, it's a 737-800.
JFK-FLL is a Super 80.

No, its a daily MD83.

Though all MD80 flying at JFK is coming to an end December 2nd, so it will be a 738.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3742 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
No, its a daily MD83.

Only for one more week. As of Nov 18th, it is a 738.

Yes, you're right about Dec 2nd. That's when JFK-FLL sees the 738. Dec 1st is the last day JFK-FLL (twice daily) sees the Super 80. It looks like as of Dec 2nd, JFK will see no more AA Super 80. LGA and EWR will continue to see the Super 80 for a while.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineNYC-air From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2807 times:

I remember a press release about AA examining a post-security connection between their two concourses in the CTB at LGA. Anyone think they'll do it?

User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

I would think at least 1 day time flight for both DEN/PHX - JFK to connect to AA euro flights. I would think AA would start adding missing markets like they recently done at LAX

User currently offlinemoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

AA has flown both LGA-TPA and JFK-TPA. The route switched from LGA to JFK in 2008. It's always been flown with a MD-80 variant, and as recently as 2007 was 2x daily frequency until the JFK switch and now it's down to one. The flight number is/was 1786/1787. I've flown both routes.


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

"I remember a press release about AA examining a post-security connection between their two concourses in the CTB at LGA. Anyone think they'll do it?"

They started the project as part of the D concourse security overhaul 3 years ago. That part of the project was cut at the last minute. They actually put stickers on the coming soon posters in the terminal to white it out.

I am assuming funding, but it is a good idea to bring to fruition.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 16):

"I remember a press release about AA examining a post-security connection between their two concourses in the CTB at LGA. Anyone think they'll do it?"

They started the project as part of the D concourse security overhaul 3 years ago. That part of the project was cut at the last minute. They actually put stickers on the coming soon posters in the terminal to white it out.

I am assuming funding, but it is a good idea to bring to fruition.

American Airline submitted plans for a post-security connector, and it was rejected by the Port Authority very recently. AA is fully willing and able to pay for it, but the Port Authority has not been cooperative in coming to a solution, so now rumor has been that AA is considering building a separate Admiral's Club.



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