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The New United And Airport Consolidation  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

With the merger in full swing and both parties working diligently to have everything in place to achieve SOC approval by the FAA how is United/Conti doing as far as consolidating OPS at different airports across the country?

Are there any instances just yet where they have already moved to one or the other's terminal/gates or check-in counter? I know for sure about one airport that I read on here but for the life of me, I can't remember which city it was. To make things fun, how about we discuss your home-town airport or the airport you frequent the most.

For me, ATL seems to be quite interesting. By all accounts, UA has the prime real estate over on T. The problem is there is no way the combined company will be able to operate out of those 3 gates. With CO on D, they operate out of 4 gates but one of them is CUTE I believe. Again, I don't see how United's OPS will fit into all of this.

Pros to T is its location. Own north check-in security line vice having to use the main check in at the atrium, very short walk from security to the gates and vice-versa from the gate to the bag belt. Bags also get to the plane pretty quick due to the bag point being right below T. Cons is the T lease is more expensive than D. Secondly only to the E concourse. The inability to add real estate is also a hindrance. American isn't going anywhere. They have their BSO right on the north side as well as their bag point right below their gates. Only solution I can see is UA moving over to D and the airport possibly striking a deal with AA, DL, UA/CO to where UA moves, AA shifts down to the UA gates and DL takes over the old AA gates along with DL giving up/subleasing gates to UA/CO on D. I can see them doing this because I think they would much rather have those 3 gates on T that can be used for narrowbody flights or even convert them into 2 widebody gates.

[Edited 2010-11-10 21:22:02]


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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11378 times:

BOS is the other big one. As mentioned in prior threads, they will likely not be able to get enough gates in A, and although gates C 11-21 (Where UA is now) could likely handle a combined operation, this would inhibit B6 who Massport seems to be in bed with for whatever reason. The solution apparently seems to be to combine the two airlines in Terminal B on what is now the US side, but with US there and needing at least half of their gates, not sure this will work either.

User currently offlineglobaldude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11109 times:

I am not sure how it will happen in ATL...but the T gates will be the new home (perhaps some hard stands will be used)

User currently offlinedutchflyboi From Netherlands, joined Apr 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11053 times:

Another problem would be DCA. There is no room for CO to move to where UA is and vice versa. Unless they both move to terminal A, but that might be getting tight as well.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10934 times:

Quoting globaldude (Reply 2):

Where? There already confined as it is with AA to their left and the new fire station to their right. It's not like before when there was that empty space on the north side. I know for sure the sulition is not going to be getting more gates on T. Their friends to the far south aren't giving up anything and I still don't see AA budging from where they are.

Unless they reconfigre the gates all together, setting up say 2 parking stands on one of the gates that can hold RJs and have a stright in J-line down the middle for mainline a/c when the RJ ts aren't in use.



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User currently onlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

I think that they should move to D and ATL give them two CUTE gates in return. Then make T-13/14/15 into CUTE gates for F9, AC, NK, V2, VX (when they start service) and any other overflow. Then when WN takes over FL they could take a few D gates as well as DL. Just a thought. There is already a Presidents Club on D as UA closed their Red Carpet Club a few years ago. It will be interesting!


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

CO will be moving their check in counters into T1 at ORD on Tuesday.

http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...-newsArticle&ID=1495550&highlight=

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
Then make T-13/14/15 into CUTE gates for F9, AC, NK, V2, VX (when they start service) and any other overflow.

I think thats a great idea...either that or move US from D to T.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6931 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

Um yeah I kind of wonder the same thing about consolidation as not much has been said about it yet. Anybody know when airports are going to be re branded and/or consolidated?


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User currently onlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

Hopefully UA/CO will list each airport location and plans on their consolidated website like DL/NW did. That was very helpful!


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User currently offlineglobaldude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10259 times:

like I said, I have no idea how ATL will work out, but the ground staff at ATL has been told T gates will be the gates. We will see in a couple months

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
BOS is the other big one. As mentioned in prior threads, they will likely not be able to get enough gates in A, and although gates C 11-21 (Where UA is now) could likely handle a combined operation, this would inhibit B6 who Massport seems to be in bed with for whatever reason. The solution apparently seems to be to combine the two airlines in Terminal B on what is now the US side, but with US there and needing at least half of their gates, not sure this will work either.

I remember someone mentioning recently that a friend (or maybe a friend of a friend) worked somewhere in the new UA management and had confirmed that the new UA will be in Terminal B somewhere. It would be great if it is true. I won't believe it until it's announced, however.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Quoting globaldude (Reply 9):
like I said, I have no idea how ATL will work out, but the ground staff at ATL has been told T gates will be the gates. We will see in a couple months

The way it could happen is to make it so that you can park extra planes at those gates - looks like 2 gates can take up to a 757, another gate can go up to A320. Reshuffle it so that it's 1 757 and three E-175 spots and you might be able to make it work. Would be tight, but with the combined carrier at around 38 daily flights, most of which are on RJs, and it might work.

The former RCC space can be used as a lounge again.


User currently offlinepitops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9923 times:

At CMH I know CO is moving out of the A concourse and into B with UA. Not sure on when this will happen though.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9830 times:

Also at ORF, another airport I frequent, it should be fairly easy. CO has 3 gates but only use 2 really. The only issue is DL is squatting on NW's old gates which are currently separating UA and CO. From what i've heard, they use them for RON a/c on occasion and as extra space for diverts from LGA/JFK but otherwise they are unused.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8856 times:

Honolulu will have some changes December.

The CO Presidents Club will close on 11/30, and ticket counters will consolidate over to the United side in December.



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User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 8):
Hopefully UA/CO will list each airport location and plans on their consolidated website like DL/NW did. That was very helpful!
http://www.continental.com/CMS/en-US...avel/news/Pages/travelnotices.aspx - Not too familiar with UA's website to know where to look for this information.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Honolulu will have some changes December.

The CO Presidents Club will close on 11/30, and ticket counters will consolidate over to the United side in December.

This would make sense. With UA being the largest in HNL, i'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to fit CO into the grand scheme of things.

Quoting nyc2theworld (Reply 15):

I don't even think they have a merger site anymore like they did before the BOD approval. All I could find was merger related info on Conti and UA's website and the holding companies' website. Was a little disappointed...



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):

Part of Delta's leasing agreement is they get first call on any gates at ATL. If UA/CO move off of T DL will take those gates(now I'm not sure they they will pay AA to move down or if they will just grab the UA gates)

On D if CO moves to T then It's very likely DL grabs the non-CUTE gates along with the PC(rumor has it DL is going to open a club on D so with your rumor saying CO is going to T maybe thats is where DL is getting the space for the D SC?)



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 17):
Part of Delta's leasing agreement is they get first call on any gates at ATL. If UA/CO move off of T DL will take those gates(now I'm not sure they they will pay AA to move down or if they will just grab the UA gates)



Thinking about it now, they may ask AA to slide down but they may very well be ok with the UA gates too. It's split on D too with US separating the operation.

I'm beginning to think that they may in fact move to T though. With a little schedule re-work they should be fine with 3 gates although as it is, CO use D8A pretty often through the day.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):

Thinking about it now, they may ask AA to slide down but they may very well be ok with the UA gates too.

eh, I'm going to bet they would just take the UA gates, AA would move down but Delta will have to pay for them to do so.....No need to waste that money



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 17):
On D if CO moves to T then It's very likely DL grabs the non-CUTE gates along with the PC(rumor has it DL is going to open a club on D so with your rumor saying CO is going to T maybe thats is where DL is getting the space for the D SC?)

A SkyClub on the D Concourse has been confirmed by Tim Mapes.

I doubt it would be the space that the CO lounge is in currently, give as it is a hike away from the area where Delta has most of their operations.

As for other airports, at MSP Continental and United are across the hall from each other (CO has E3, E7, E9; UA has E6, E8, E10), with a Red Carpet Club right in the middle. Counter-wise, UA and CO are next to each other, but there is a bag-screen device splitting the CO desk from the UA self-serve area (no agents there), and a security checkpoint breaking the UA area in half.

Wouldn't shock me if they made it so that the current CO counters become general check-in and the current UA non-manned area (3 chickens) become an elite check-in area.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 20):
A SkyClub on the D Concourse has been confirmed by Tim Mapes.



Where would they put it? They plan on buying out a concession for the space because I can't think on one area right now that could accompdate a Sky Club unless they build on top the concourse (seriously).



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User currently onlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7535 times:

Didn't Piedmont used to have a club next to D27 back in the 80s? I am almost positive and think that when they merged with USAir they closed it. PI used to have the majority of the D gates on the Northside with BN and NW at the end. BN had D35 which later was used by Air Atlanta and even Song had that as a Song Branded gate during it's birth.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 22):

I'm going through ATL today. I'll take a stroll on D and see how things are and where they may find space for the club. Things change so freuently in ATL. Today, you may have D32, next week you may see D32 and D32 alpha with D33 pushed down a ways.



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User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

what will happen at LHR? Guessing CO will move to T1?

25 LAXtoATL : I agree. If DL could get their hands on UA's T gates, I think they would be content with them where they are. No need to pay AA to move, especially s
26 pvd757 : For PVD: I've heard that UA will vacate their north side ticket counter positions and move next to CO on the south side (old NW counters). The word fl
27 TLHFLA : It will be interesting to see how the combined UA/CO operate out of T in ATL. Down in TPA, I would imagine UA would move over to A. There's more room
28 VintageTravel : In SLC, so far, CO moved their ticket counter from down next to B6's to the former TWA counter space next to UA's and airside, CO moved from A8 to B5,
29 ERJ170 : As far as RDU goes, CO was scheduled to move to Terminal 2 in January anyway, with United scheduled to move concourses (C to D). The new Concourse D o
30 DeltAirlines : Delta is taking the two current United gates once the D Concourse opens up and are giving up two of their gates on the East side (by the road) of the
31 FlyASAGuy2005 : Which gates are those? You mean the ones that you can see from the check-in drop off where they normally have RJ's parked? I've also noticed DL RONs
32 ERJ170 : Jetblue will be up to 9 flights in Q2 2011.. I wonder if they can do all that on one gate? I have been whole heartedly hoping RDUAA would kick AA off
33 FlyASAGuy2005 : All to JFK I assume? If so, they should be ok with one gate but then again, it's a CUTE system so if they do need 2 at any given time, it shouldn't b
34 ERJ170 : 4x JFK, 4x BOS, 1x FLL... Terminal 1 is not CUTE... and will not be, I don't think...
35 DeltAirlines : Not sure the gate numbers, but if you're on the driveway before you get to the check-in area and are looking at, the first gate is used for RONs, the
36 ERJ170 : But in my eyes, there's no need for AA to have sole use of the international gates either for their one international flight.. I could see them using
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : From my surveying yesterday, there's a concession stand and restaurant right next to D27. Everywhere else I walked around D I can't see where a SkyCl
38 EddieDude : I wonder what will happen at MEX. My initial thought was that UA would consolidate all of its operations at T1, where they have a Red Carpet club. Plu
39 kgaiflyer : I expect the new UAL to do whatever is best for business, but the UA location in Airside E is actually quite attractive with nice facilities and conc
40 kgaiflyer : At BOS, the problem with the USAir side of B concourse is that the gates are not all in the same location. Gates 1-3 are at the extreme west end of th
41 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : Well, at least ROC won't be difficult. UA and CO are adjacent in B Concourse. If the CLE flights hang around awhile, they might keep all of the gates
42 FWAERJ : FWA is easy: CO pulled out last year (C8 served CLE using Q200s), while UA has 3x a day OO CR2s from ORD to FWA. The gate situation at FWA is like thi
43 CALPSAFltSkeds : SAN is going through an expansion of Termianl 2, which will double gate space where CO now resides. However, UA is in the older Terminal 1 and is with
44 dutchflyboi : Delta uses 14-22 (14 is shared with AS). CO uses 10,11,12. With all the extra flights that DL has out of DCA, they need more gates.
45 kgaiflyer : I've been through the United /Alaska rotunda in terminal 1 -- AC, CO, and UA would be a perfect fit there. And it would actually be to Alaska's advan
46 capitalflyer : Not sure about IAD. Very few CO flights currently, only to IAH and EWR with any frequency. They may be able to just get rid of these routes entirely s
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm sure they'll be folded into UA's OPS pretty easily. Where exactly is CO in IAD? Are they on a concourse/terminal served by UA? I ask because if t
48 capitalflyer : CO is in the B Terminal with all the other domestics that aren't UA. I would imagine ops would move to C/D where UA mainline is and CO will give up i
49 capitalflyer : I would say nothing is likely to move at DCA until latest slot process is completed. Once the Republic slots are allotted, then moves can be made. Tha
50 FlyASAGuy2005 : Exactly why I asked. I don't see them keeping a single gate at the odd terminal.
51 Post contains links kgaiflyer : Btw, the south end of former B (gates 15 to 32) is now also part of A concourse. http://www.metwashairports.com/file/AandBGates.pdf In the ground lev
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