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Colombia And The US Agree Open Skies  
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

After intense meetings that went on until the early morning of today (11th Nov) between authorities of Colombia and the United States, an agreement has been reached that will allow open skies between the 2 countries from 2012. Furthermore, routes that have hitherto not been operated will be allowed without restrictions from the moment that the treaty is signed -so in approximately 1 month- As an example, US will be able to operate CLT-BOG before the end of the year if it wanted to.

Source: http://www.portafolio.com.co/economi...uerdo-de-cielos-abiertos_8337580-3

Let us know hypothesise on what routes will be launched, before 2012 and once the open skies is fully fledged in that year.


I can see jetBlue wanting to fly to MDE.
Spirit going to 2 daily to BOG, and maybe even MDE. Starting CLO
DL doubling ATL-BOG
AA going up to 3 daily on BOG on certain times of the year.
US starting CLT-BOG and failing miserably.

[Edited 2010-11-11 09:26:43]

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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17516 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

I'm just going to guess DL is out of JFKBOG, and ATLBOG is 2x daily. AA/LA launch JFKBOG asap.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
US starting CLT-BOG and failing miserably.

If they haven't tried LIM, why would they try BOG?



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
If they haven't tried LIM, why would they try BOG?

Because they applied for this route before, but did not get it due to frequency restrictions.
Also because they can reach BOG from CLT with an A319.
We can now add that AV will be joining Star Alliance, joining BOG with Charlotte could be tempting.

There are of course a similar number of reasons why they should not attempt the route.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
Because they applied for this route before, but did not get it due to frequency restrictions.

There's something irrational going on at US about restricted entry markets, I think. They won't go to Argentina even though EZE is no more difficult a market than GIG. They won't go to LIM but applied for BOG. It makes no sense to me.



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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

In South America, which countries do not yet have Open Skies or close to it? Brazil and Venezuela are the obvious ones. Are there any others?


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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
US starting CLT-BOG and failing miserably.

Interested to know why you think this will fail miserably?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
They won't go to LIM but applied for BOG. It makes no sense to me.

One thing that stands out immediately is the BOG is much closer than LIM. More efficient use of an airplane. They could do a turnaround in one day.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Interested to know why you think this will fail miserably?

The O&D is simply tiny. Colombia has good traffic figures, but this is mainly due to the Colombian migrants abroad, so very seasonally affected and can low yielding. Just ask DL how they have struggled with their JFK-BOG. (They are giving another go at daily frequencies fro next Feb by changing to a 737-700 operation).
Also, Colombia is quite decentralised, so service to more Colombian cities from larger gateways with more significant O&D traffic is much more appropriate than to serve BOG from smaller ones.

So come on DL, CO and jetBlue to MDE and CLO.


User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

What benefits will Colombia get from this open skies agreement in general?

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 7):
The O&D is simply tiny. Colombia has good traffic figures, but this is mainly due to the Colombian migrants abroad, so very seasonally affected and can low yielding. Just ask DL how they have struggled with their JFK-BOG. (They are giving another go at daily frequencies fro next Feb by changing to a 737-700 operation).
Also, Colombia is quite decentralised, so service to more Colombian cities from larger gateways with more significant O&D traffic is much more appropriate than to serve BOG from smaller ones.

Agreed that the O&D is tiny, but US's is banking on connecting traffic to make this route work. I think the shorter flight may make this more profitable than DL's JFK-BOG. Will it be profitable to keep the flight? Time will tell, but I wouldn't let the O&D numbers be your sole deciding factor for this route.

US is generally able to provide lower fares due to their lower cost structure. Therefore, in this respect, they have the upper hand especially for those travelers looking for the best fare.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 7):
Colombia is quite decentralised, so service to more Colombian cities from larger gateways with more significant O&D traffic is much more appropriate than to serve BOG from smaller ones.

The winners from the U.S.-Colombia Openskies are the MIA/NYC-Colombia routes. It could be quite difficult for US or Colombian airlines to make such routes like U.S. hub - secondary Colombian destinations (example IAH-BGA, CLT-MDE) and BOG - non-hub U.S. airports (example MSY, BDL) make a profit.
Positive note that now both US/UA and AV are in the same alliance, at least CLT-BOG and BOG-ORD have a chance.

A question now is, since the Openskies is between U.S. and Colombia, where does it stands when it comes to allow AV stops in either SJO or SAL enroute to the States?



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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

Welp with this development I can see FL/WN flying this from a few places.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8376 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
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Hopefully AA will return to BAQ for teh third time. Now that LAN is merging with Aires, Oneworld will do soemthing in the market.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
They won't go to LIM but applied for BOG

BOG has 18 million passengers a year while LIM has 9 and the colombian community in the US is at least four times larger maybe, not to count much more traffic from the northeast to Colombia....

I actually don't see DL failing on JFK-BOG. The 73G is perfect for the operation, and by offering daily flights again they will have a chance. another chage we could be seeing is B6 changing it's BOG flight to FLL and AV starting MCO. The second frequency to JFK can go daily now. AA's third daily MIA-BOG flight and JFK-BOG are also almost given. NK starts CLO and BGA. US will start BOG-CLT which might now have a chance of staying. Who gave CLT-GIG (a much more expensive operation) a chance?

IAD will for sure be going daily on AV soon. Copa Colombia will launch BOG-MIA, while LAN flies daily BOG-MIA on the 763 and moves the AIRES flights from FLL.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Hopefully AA will return to BAQ for teh third time. Now that LAN is merging with Aires, Oneworld will do soemthing in the market.

AA could fly to BAQ today if it wanted to, as Barranquilla is already open skies.
I don't think that we will see AA in BAQ very soon, but I have no doubt that LAN will move Aires's current BAQ and CTG flights to FLL, to MIA instead.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17516 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
I actually don't see DL failing on JFK-BOG. The 73G is perfect for the operation, and by offering daily flights again they will have a chance.

They fly a 752 and they're losing the AV codeshare. I think you can stick a fork in it.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
They fly a 752 and they're losing the AV codeshare. I think you can stick a fork in it.

They will start flying the 73G from february and CO is doing just fine on BOG-EWR without any codeshares. They will do fine if they make the right moves.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32809 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
I actually don't see DL failing on JFK-BOG.

It already has failed on JFK-BOG. The route performs horribly. Delta tried to transfer it to ATL-BOG, but was denied after AA offered to use the frequencies for JFK-BOG.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
Who gave CLT-GIG (a much more expensive operation) a chance?

It continues to perform quite poorly.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
IAD will for sure be going daily on AV soon

Avianca already has the authority to operate this route daily.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
Copa Colombia will launch BOG-MIA,

Copa Colombia already has the authority to operate MIA-BOG daily.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

IMPORTANT:

It is reported by a different colombian media outlet, La Republica, that the fully fledged open skies agreement will only be effective from 1st January 2013. Until then there will be 21 new weekly frequencies available imminently on routes already operated and another 21 for 2012, followed by complete freedom a year later. Also no limitations on starting of new routes as soon as the treaty is formalised -before the end of the year-

Despite the "phasing in" period, it does mean that a significant number of frequencies will be available imminently.

As it is, colombian airlines have unused frequencies, and indeed AV is giving up LAX so there will be even more.
I guess it will be LAN asking for MIA frequencies from BOG, MDE and CLO that is likely to make use of them on that side. Maybe too Copa Airlines Colombia to JFK or EWR.

On the US side, I guess we will see applications for the usual suspects: AA third daily to BOG, DL second ATL-BOG, and maybe MDE and CLO. NK second daily to BOG and MDE and new to CLO.

http://www.larepublica.com.co/archiv...los-abiertos-desde-2013_114979.php

[Edited 2010-11-11 13:01:01]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
It already has failed on JFK-BOG

Yes, i'm talking about the route's new 73G operation. They have faily for two reasons: they didn't to a good job in promoting it, the schedule was way too similar to AV (there should be a morning BOG-JFK flight) and the 757 was just too big.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Avianca already has the authority to operate this route daily
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Copa Colombia already has the authority to operate MIA-BOG daily

I'm not saying they don't have the frequencies, only that increased competition will push them towards starting the routes. And the entry into Star also helps.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
There's something irrational going on at US about restricted entry markets, I think. They won't go to Argentina even though EZE is no more difficult a market than GIG. They won't go to LIM but applied for BOG. It makes no sense to me.

It's not that irrational the more that you think about it though. The allure of restricted entry markets is that average fares are often higher since the supply of seats is artificially constrained.

As more of these markets become liberalized, these markets will become less attractive to a carrier like US that will always heavily rely on connecting traffic for S.American markets. The question then is - are they still attractive enough to the point where US would still consider flying there. The liberalization of a deep S.America market (essentially just Brazil at this point) is arguably less concerning to US since US will still have a cost advantage over all other US carriers in that market whereas the liberalization of a near S.American market like Colombia has more of a downside because it gives LCCs like B6 and NK an opportunity to continue to expand there and needless to say, US does not have a cost advantage of those carriers.

On a related note, I think it will be interesting to see how B6 reacts to this announcement. Since they originally applied for FLL-BOG, I have to think they are still interested in the market but I wonder if it will come at the expense of the less O&D-heavy MCO-BOG market or if it will be in addition to it. I could also see an interest in BOG-JFK flights, but at 2500 miles and BOG's high elevation, would such a route even be feasible? Perhaps someone who is more familiar with the A320's performance would be able to answer this...


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9449 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):

Moving to 73W(JAN) and going daily in March.
do agree about ATL-BOG #2

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):

They fly a 752

soon to be a 73W

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):

It already has failed on JFK-BOG.

proof?

(oh and please please please don't feed me the crap that is the norm. (aka load + AVG fare.....its all useless data, lets see the yield numbers))

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 19):

Yes, i'm talking about the route's new 73G operation

Delta should have started this route with the 73W.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 21):
proof?

Did you not read his next sentence?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Delta tried to transfer it to ATL-BOG, but was denied after AA offered to use the frequencies for JFK-BOG.

That, combined with the fact that they have flown this route as infrequently as possible (as little as 1/week during some parts of the year) gives an almost undeniable indication that it is not meeting expectations, to say the least. It certiainly won't help that they are losing the AV codeshare either.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 21):
(oh and please please please don't feed me the crap that is the norm. (aka load + AVG fare.....its all useless data, lets see the yield numbers))

Protip: Average fare/distance = yield.

[Edited 2010-11-14 18:54:56]

User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9449 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):

Hint: Average fare/distance = yield.

ok, how about this, proof that it isn't making money, give me how much the flight made/lost.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):

Did you not read his next sentence?

Yes I did, that isn't proof, airlines move routes to places to make *more* money too, not just because they aren't making money.


and don't get me wrong, JFK-BOG has sucked but imo thats because of it having 2x the F seats the 73W would bring, and the 757 just being to large over all.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):

That, combined with the fact that they have flown this route as infrequently as possible (as little as 1/week during some parts of the year) gives an almost undeniable assumption that it is not meeting expectations

I didn't say it was a gold mine, I said i want proof that it is failing, JFK-SNA failed, Delta isn't keeping JFK-BOG around just so people on a.net can speak about how much money its bleeding, if it was THAT BAD they would have dropped it. If they can't make money, as you guys say they can't, and they can't move it, no need to keep it.



yep.
User currently offlineNYCAdvantage From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 23):
Delta isn't keeping JFK-BOG around just so people on a.net can speak about how much money its bleeding, if it was THAT BAD they would have dropped it.

I don't know if they were bleeding money or not, but from someone who has flown the route, JFK-BOG with AV and DL and via MIA with AA I can tell you that when ever I did JFK with DL J was almost empty and the Y even thou I did not go back there was almost the same, In fact I was one that thought the flight was not going to last too long.

but one thing that we have to remember is that DL was code sharing with AV I don't know how much if any that affected the real DL flight, My mother in law doesn't like AV she was really upset because from BOG she booked on DL and flew AV, on the return she went to EWR and flew CO. so code sharing may have something to do with it.

Also we have to have in mind that DL I guess never competed against AV they all had different flight schedules, now that
the gloves are off, I guess DL may have to start brand new with maybe a better schedule maybe around 7AM and who knows a new fare reintroduce the flight if the ever are going to compete from JFK.

maybe they will do it from ATL, and since open sky is around the corner I will not be surprised if they try JFK- Cali, I think it will be a hot ticket.


25 FutureUScapt : I agree the 73W would've been a better choice from the start; did DL have 73Ws in their fleet when JFK-BOG was first launched (I can't remember when
26 clo1973 : What makes you think that Spirit will apply for a 2 daily in MDE? What are the load factors of its current operation? as for CLO, I´m not sure...Air
27 MaverickM11 : And if you believe that, I've got an interesting investment opportunity for you. That's what we have to go on here kidz. Those who know the actual P&
28 USAirALB : Im taking a wild guess, but maybe local traffic is higher on CLT-BOG than CLT-LIM. Here by the Lake, I know several Colombians, but no Peruvians.
29 MAH4546 : It's not. CLT-BOG O&D is less than two persons per day, each way. Indeed. AA's JFK-BOG application even had a calender demonstrating just how inf
30 LAXdude1023 : I would love to see a 3 or 4 weekly DFW-BOG flights.
31 GlobalCabotage : With the * alliance impact, ORD may get BOG nonstop service or direct via PTY. I do think DFW will now get BOG service as well. Great to see US / Colo
32 MAH4546 : I truly doubt ORD will get Bogotá service. There is a reason that ORD has one daily flight to South America: the market is small and the connecting
33 LipeGIG : It makes sense as AA is having success developing DFW to Latin America. This also will capture interesting market from oil & gas as BOG is develo
34 Post contains images USAirALB : Just a quick, spur of the moment guess. Thats why I believe US will launch it some point or another. AA's most northern SA destination that most US c
35 etops1 : If US gets to BOG, there will be hot meals in Y. Well then the only A/C they can use is the 757 because all the narrow body airbus a/c have had the ov
36 MAH4546 : So any market that has ten daily passengers from Charlotte will be launched at some point or another? Lima actually makes more sense from Philadelphi
37 FutureUScapt : It no doubt is low, but again I would caution against the overreliance on this data as an accurate indication of what demand would be like with nonst
38 LipeGIG : It's expected that Brazil will allow open skies with the US in the near future, or at least an open skies ex-Sao Paulo. Expect it by 2013.
39 brandonfsu05 : lol...its funny... i didnt even think about this...but i know several people who have done this or similar...
40 MAH4546 : While market stimulation is common, it is unlikely to happen on a route to Bogotá, unless there is a vacation destination on the other end (i.e. Orl
41 jmc1975 : It's very easy to make a rash judgment and jump to a sudden conclusion. However, let's be perfectly clear that you are forgetting an important piece
42 MAH4546 : A319 will have no problem doing CLT-LIM, especially since the routing is pretty much directly north/south. Not to mention Lima is a larger market loc
43 jmc1975 : Ummm...yeah without pax maybe. With pax, however, they would need their ETOPS 757s...CLT-LIM is 3258 miles!!! Don't forget that enough fuel must be c
44 MAH4546 : They are stretch for the A320. They are not a stretch for an A319, which is a brilliantly capable aircraft range-rise, like its direct competiro the
45 Cubsrule : On what do you base your assertion that the 762 is incapable? Certainly, the later-build 762s can do it.
46 MAH4546 : Easily. The 762 was once used by El Al on MIA-TLV. CLT-EZE is absolutely no problem for a 762.
47 SCL767 : Yep, DL will drop JFK-BOG when DL has to compete against both AA and LAN, (LAN will most likely deploy the B763 on the BOG-JFK route). Argentina, Bol
48 Cubsrule : ...though of those, how many have unusued frequencies? I believe all except possibly Ecuador do.
49 SCL767 : Argentina and Bolivia both have unused frequencies. Guyana and Suriname are markets that are protectionist; AA has had their application rejected by
50 FutureUScapt : Sure VFR traffic is not easily stimulated, though I think that is where you might find that it is somewhat understated, although still tiny, due to t
51 Cubsrule : How'd DL get JFKGEO so easily?
52 SCL767 : The various charter carriers that served GEO in the past all went under creating a severe lack of direct air-lift between GEO and North America, (pri
53 jmc1975 : On paper and according to advertised specs, yes, you may be correct. But in the reality of the operational world, you couldn't be more wrong. US need
54 Cubsrule : What's wrong with IQT or GYE? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Why does EZE have "closer alternatives" for CM but "far fewer viable a
55 MAH4546 : US Airways' 762s can absolutely do Charlotte-Buenos Aires, which is only 350mi longer than CLT-GIG and four miles shorter than PHL-ATH. Plus, it is no
56 Post contains images jmc1975 : IQT would not be a suitable operational diversion point. Who is going to service the aircraft and accommodate the pax if they can't get to LIM. Do ba
57 MAH4546 : A 762 can do EZE-CLT easily, you just don't want to admit you are wrong. Actually, AEP would be. But that's moot, because MVD is very close to Buenos
58 Post contains links and images 2travel2know2 : That it's both sad and true. There's no Peruvian airport that could be cosidered a comfortable diversion airport for LIM yet. Even if it's more likel
59 Post contains images jmc1975 : That's perfectly fine. Thank you for your intelligent and articulate insight into what is operationally feasible in the region.
60 Cubsrule : How does IQT compare to a place like ANF, which carriers list (if not use) as an SCL diversion point all the time. CM's longest routes are, I believe
61 jmc1975 : You are correct!
62 jfk777 : Copa has been a pioneer in using the 737NG on LONG flights all the way to Real South America, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo and Santiago, NO Caribean Sea c
63 USAirALB : I made a mistake an forgot about the lack of ovens on the A319. However, there are ways you can provide hot meals to Y pax of A319 flights, does anyo
64 MAH4546 : EZE is a premium route from two markets: Miami and New York City. Otherwise, business demand is quite weak. There is no need to send an A330 when it
65 Summa767 : Well, Spirit has applied for a twice daily to both BOG and MDE before, although it knew it had slim chances of getting given those frequencies. I wou
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