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BA's LHR-LAS Route Most Successful In Recent Years  
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14484 times:

A year after starting LHR-LAS, BA has declared this route one of their most successful launches in years. They also stated that it was one of the star performing routes in the BA network.

BA plans to upgrade the route to a 747 in June.

With the drop of the US dollar, I'm sure travel to the United States has become much more appealing for Europeans.

Link below:

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stor...cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14421 times:

You have to wonder what, if any, impact this is having on VS's LAS route.


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5148 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
You have to wonder what, if any, impact this is having on VS's LAS route.

Prob not tat much as it still goes out full and they are starting MAN-LAS next year. I think VS can sell most of their seats through Virgin Holidays.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14034 times:

It's taking traffic from LAX no doubt. Plenty of people would do a combined LA/Vegas trip, but either drive or fly AA on LAX-LAS-LAX. Now there's the triangle option.


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User currently offlinetarantulalv From United States of America, joined May 2008, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12893 times:

No surprises there. This aircraft leaves well loaded every night I have seen it. Too bad it is not going to be a 77W route. Maybe PR or KE will be the first to bring that here. My money is on KE.

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10042 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
It's taking traffic from LAX no doubt. Plenty of people would do a combined LA/Vegas trip, but either drive or fly AA on LAX-LAS-LAX. Now there's the triangle option.

It's actually having very little effect, if any at all to speak of. There always was the triangle option (quite a few of them in fact!)

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
You have to wonder what, if any, impact this is having on VS's LAS route.

As expected by most, virtually none at all.....quite sufficient traffic for both carriers.


User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9593 times:
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For those of us that reside in The Silver State of Nevada, this is very good news. Gaming revenues have been down some and bringing in folks from Europe with their pounds, euros, and other currencies is quite appreciated. Thnak you BA, VS, and others.


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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9422 times:

Quoting EricR (Thread starter):
BA plans to upgrade the route to a 747 in June.



The other interesting point to this article and upgrade in equipment is the introduction of First Class to the route. The B777's that BA has been sending were 3-class birds, so while there are no 3 class B744's in BA's fleet, they obviously feel there is sufficient demand up front to make the jump to a B744.

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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7442 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9276 times:

I wonder which plane (77E or 744) has better hot and high takeoff performance?


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9264 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 6):
For those of us that reside in The Silver State of Nevada, this is very good news. Gaming revenues have been down some and bringing in folks from Europe with their pounds, euros, and other currencies is quite appreciated. Thnak you BA, VS, and others.

Absolutely, Las Vegas can use the business.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 8738 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
It's taking traffic from LAX no doubt.

A few years back I flew via DFW. That was (and still is) the shortest indirect oneworld routing by some two hours. Next is via MIA. Flying via JFK adds around another two hours. Only then do the likes of ORD and LAX come into play.

Travelling via LAX adds around 900 miles and a lot of time to the journey compared to transitting DFW. So with all the choice I am not sure that the impact of BA's direct flight will have a significant impact on many other routes. And I guess that the flight from LHR will also draw more than a little traffic from many flights from continental Europe, particularly from those cities that do not have any trans Atlantic flights of their own but do have a conveniently timed LHR service. And with a mid-afternoon departure to LAS and the return flight arriving back at LHR in the early afternoon, that means most European cities. And for them what was a two-change journey at first a European and then a US gateway could be reduced to a single change at LHR.

As far as the addition of a 744 with an F cabin I am a little surprised that BA has not previously used one of their four-class 772s on the route. It must be fairly regularly frequented by the super rich from the entertainment industry (like Tom Jones) as well as highly paid boxers and other sports stars.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 8617 times:

LAS has so many surplus luxury hotel rooms that it is natural for global tourists to go there. LAS has arguably never had the quality it has today. At least given the hotels.

User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

Is LAS a popular destination for Europeans?

User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 12):
Is LAS a popular destination for Europeans?

Yup


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

While I didn't hear this reason on the most recent conference calls, I expect that we will for next quarter - the falling dollar. QEII (Quantative Easting II) is driving the dollar down making Vegas a far more affordable destination combined with hotel rates that are down and quality of the rooms is high.

User currently offlineChopChop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

I was watching a travel channel special about Dubai and the tremendous five star deals they're offering to get Euro tourists to visit. Rates at hotels were cut by 50 to 75% to sweeten the deal. Las Vegas would be well served to do some advertising over here in Europe like dubai. Obviously, las Vegas has a lot more to offer than slot machines and cards, some of the most famous performers in the world have shows, tremendous shopping, and world class restaurants and spas. Moreover, with a weak dollar, it's a steal.
I'm surprised BA hasn't offered first class accommodations before. Given the success, I wonder if air France or lufthansa might add a flight?

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):

what about ORD for connections for one world? Just curious.



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User currently offlinebaggageinhall From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 12):
Is LAS a popular destination for Europeans?

It certainly is in the UK. With the Euro retaining its strength, a Bachelor(ette) party to Western Europe can cost roughly the same as a 3/4 nights in Vegas. The softening Dollar might all but reduce the current gap.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7442 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 15):
Given the success, I wonder if air France or lufthansa might add a flight?

Well XL Airways has a seasonal flight from GDG,and DE has seasonals from FRA.



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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quote:

For those of us that reside in The Silver State of Nevada, this is very good news. Gaming revenues have been down some and bringing in folks from Europe with their pounds, euros, and other currencies is quite appreciated. Thnak you BA, VS, and others.


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If you look at the fares of the hotels then it seems that business is allready picking up, compared to my previous trip to Vegas in june 2009, i'll end up paying About 3 times as much for my hotel on my next trip to Vegas in march next year...  


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 13):
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 12):
Is LAS a popular destination for Europeans?

Yup

26,350 flew LGW-LAS-LGW in Sept 2010 (virtually flat verses the year-ago period) and 15,671 on LHR-LAS-LHR. Added together, that is 42,021. Very simplistically, dividing that by two sectors and 30 days, 700 people flew one-way on average each day. Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf



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User currently onlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2173 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 17):
Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 15):
Given the success, I wonder if air France or lufthansa might add a flight?

Well XL Airways has a seasonal flight from GDG,and DE has seasonals from FRA.

I think AF may be tempted to try LAS in a similar fashion to their upcoming MCO route.


User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
26,350 flew LGW-LAS-LGW in Sept 2010 (virtually flat verses the year-ago period)

No surprise there. Whenever I've travelled through LGW and walked by the Virgin counters everyone seemed flying to Vegas.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 15):
what about ORD for connections for one world? Just curious.

Potentially good based only on flight times. But the connections (at least flying east-west) are not that good. This is because there are more than 4.5 hrs between the departure times of AA1417 and AA2013 on the ORD-LAS sector. This makes the quickest flight combination a little longer than the quickest through MIA.

While the oneworld on-line timetable lists connections through DFW, MIA and JFK it does not list any through ORD or, indeed, LAX.


User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
26,350 flew LGW-LAS-LGW in Sept 2010 (virtually flat verses the year-ago period) and 15,671 on LHR-LAS-LHR. Added together, that is 42,021. Very simplistically, dividing that by two sectors and 30 days, 700 people flew one-way on average each day. Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...s.pdf

As BA is the only carrier at LHR to go to Vegas it gives a 96% load factor, which is superb.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 23):
As BA is the only carrier at LHR to go to Vegas it gives a 96% load factor

Amazingly its even better than that at 97.6 per cent. This is because on 14 September BA substituted a four-class 772 (G-YMMH) on BA275 for a single rotation. Hence on that day they offered just 440 seats as opposed to the normal 538 available on a three-class aircraft rotation.


25 tarantulalv : DE is not seasonal to LAS and operates restricted day directs year round. TCX from MAN has always been seasonal twice weekly but appears to be year r
26 washingtonian : Impressive numbers. I think Las Vegas is the most quintessentially American city, so I'm glad that Europeans are visiting in such numbers!
27 Post contains images Lumberton : Good grief, I hope not! So when's BA & VS add more metal to the route?[Edited 2010-11-14 07:43:50]
28 LHRFlyer : BA could increase it to double daily in the summer season (as per YVR) if the performance is good. But, of course, volume is one side of the story, y
29 bobnwa : I do not think most Americans would agree with you on that statement!!!
30 ANstar : VS are adding MAN-LAS which is a new route in the first half of next year!
31 jpj777 : Good lord I live in Las Vegas and I don't think that's true! I went to the air show at Nellis on Saturday and talked to a couple of tourists from Eur
32 Lumberton : Hey that wasn't my quote! I used to live in Las Vegas and I KNOW it ain't true!
33 OA412 : Are you joking? Las Vegas isn't anywhere on the list of the most "quintessentially" American cities. New York and Los Angeles are must sees for obvio
34 Post contains images jpj777 : Sorry Lumberton I think a quintessential american city has to have some history to look at, any history we have we Blow Up!!
35 EricR : Hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but I tend to agree. Charleston SC, Boston, D.C., Annapolis, etc. are what come to mind when I think of a quintes
36 washingtonian : Hah, what a response my comment received! Let me try to explain a bit. I've always found Las Vegas to be uniquely American in that it is this huge, c
37 Bongodog1964 : I agree with you that Vegas is a crazy place, no wonder when its in the middle of a large pudding !!!
38 Lumberton : That it is! I love visiting; I'm just glad I don't live there anymore.... Its really hard to go there and NOT have a good time--even if you like driv
39 yellowtail : And then they have Dive Shows there in the middle of desert! DEMA is next week...I think both VS Holidays and DL have a booth.
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