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Thomas Cook Canada - Operation News?  
User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8766 times:

All seems to have gone quiet since the initial announcement. I believe the first flights were 5th November. Does anybody have any pictures / information on how the venture is going?

Can people confirm any of the following?

Flight Deck crew are jazz's?
Cabin Crew?
IFE?
On board service?


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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25315 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting flybehubby (Thread starter):
All seems to have gone quiet since the initial announcement.

No, there were press releases and various news items re their commencement of service.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1492640&highlight=

From the major Toronto newspaper.
http://www.thestar.com/travel/articl...-into-pearson-take-off-for-the-sun

One of the first 2 757s leased by Jazz arriving in YHZ November 3 on the delivery flight.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/speck727/5144691670/

They apparently operated MAN-KEF-YHZ-YOW-YYZ to help Jazz crews meet the minimum number of landings/takeoffs requirement before the first service 2 days later. Apart from Canadian registrations, the only other livery change appears to be a very small "Operated by Jazz" decal near the forward door. Photo below.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/download/file.php?id=4208

[Edited 2010-11-11 14:51:05]

User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

As mentioned, 2 752's were delivered last week. One is parked at west cargo facility at YYZ. Another in the YYZ Jazz hanger as of earlier this week. A 3rd is due Nov 29th, and the remaining 3 in mid-Dec.


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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting flybehubby (Thread starter):
Flight Deck crew are jazz's?
Cabin Crew?

Both the front and the back are Jazz crew.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
They apparently operated MAN-KEF-YHZ-YYZ to help Jazz crews meet the minimum number of landings/takeoffs requirement before the first service 2 days later.

While I can't speak to minimum landings, YHZ, YYZ are the cities that Thomas Cook/Jazz are serving this season. The planes were taken on a FAM tour. EDIT: I also don't know about the ETOPS rating for the aircraft, as the MAN-KEF-YHZ route would have kept them out of ETOPS areas (for the most part).

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 2):
As mentioned, 2 752's were delivered last week. One is parked at west cargo facility at YYZ Jazz hanger as of earlier this week.

Our two 752s have been in revenue service almost every day since Nov 5th. I believe there was a day where they didn't fly, but I don't know for sure.

[Edited 2010-11-12 00:18:34]


Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YSJ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s):
User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Apart from Canadian registrations, the only other livery change appears to be a very small "Operated by Jazz" decal near the forward door

Thats a shame, I saw a picture (assumed photoshop by the Thomas Cook design department) showing "Canada" under the Thomas Cook on the side of the fuselage (similar to Thomas Cook Scandanavia.) I thought it looked like a nice touch.

Is the Canadian flag next to the registration?



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User currently offlineoverloaduk From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 4):
Thats a shame, I saw a picture (assumed photoshop by the Thomas Cook design department) showing "Canada" under the Thomas Cook on the side of the fuselage (similar to Thomas Cook Scandanavia.) I thought it looked like a nice touch.

I guess you mean like this image:




User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7336 times:

IFE on these aircraft are old CRT monitors located through the cabin, very poor. One of the 757's did indeed do MAN-KEF... GWJAN, now under a Canadian reg...


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7005 times:

I have taken several photos of the inaugural flight to CUR. They are in the queue to be screened. As soon as they are approved I will post them here too. You can also send me a pm. The aircraft don't have much "jazz" to it as the aircraft are in full Thomas Cook colors with no sticker or anything else. I hope there will some more noticeable marks on the aircraft to see they are operated by Jazz Air. A full Air Canada Jazz-like livery would be fantastic too but I guess that will not happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!!

A388

[Edited 2010-11-12 09:11:01]

User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6936 times:

Are these aircraft doing any work for any tour operators other than Sunquest? Looking at the schedule for Sunquest, it seems pretty busy all week except Tuesdays and Wednesdays, when there is not one flight.

User currently offlinemultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

I'm curious as to why anybody expected Jazz titles to be splashed all over these aircraft? Jazz is merely the service provider for Thomas Cook. Naturally Thomas Cook wants their brand out there, not Jazz's.

The airline's website: http://www.flythomascookcanada.ca/


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting multimark (Reply 9):
I'm curious as to why anybody expected Jazz titles to be splashed all over these aircraft? Jazz is merely the service provider for Thomas Cook. Naturally Thomas Cook wants their brand out there, not Jazz's.

Jazz Air operates those aircraft so I imagine it's only logical for any type of sticker with their name to be applied to the aircraft. Skyservice also operated on behalf of tour operators and also leased Thomas Cook aircraft in the past but they put a Skyservice sticker on the aircraft anyways. Why would this Thomas Cook/Jazz Air be any different?

A388


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6090 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 10):

Jazz Air operates those aircraft so I imagine it's only logical for any type of sticker with their name to be applied to the aircraft. Skyservice also operated on behalf of tour operators and also leased Thomas Cook aircraft in the past but they put a Skyservice sticker on the aircraft anyways. Why would this Thomas Cook/Jazz Air be any different?

A388

Because Skyservice was a charter airline that Thomas Cook hired to fly its charters.
Jazz is an airline that Thomas Cook has hired to operate its aircraft under its own name. If that makes any sense?
Not sure that I am explaining clearly.


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 4):
Is the Canadian flag next to the registration?

Yes they have the flag next to the registration, has the construction number at the top of the tail.

Mark



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User currently offlinerobsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
Jazz Air operates those aircraft so I imagine it's only logical for any type of sticker with their name to be applied to the aircraft. Skyservice also operated on behalf of tour operators and also leased Thomas Cook aircraft in the past but they put a Skyservice sticker on the aircraft anyways. Why would this Thomas Cook/Jazz Air be any different?

It requires a special dispensation from the CTA to have a name other than the operator on the Aircraft. The carriers you mention did this and also have their name in smaller size on the aircraft.

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
A full Air Canada Jazz-like livery would be fantastic too but I guess that will not happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!!

Air Canada has no stake in Jazz, therefore a AC-Jazz livery would be an impossibility since AC has nothing to do with this service and certainly wouldn't allow anything like their name or logo to be used by what is a competitor in this instance.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 11):
Not sure that I am explaining clearly.

Okay now I see what you mean. So the difference here is that Thomas Cook hired Jazz with the request they put their name on the aircraft on not the airline's name. In the case of Skyservice the tour operator didn't have this request.

Quoting robsaw (Reply 13):
It requires a special dispensation from the CTA to have a name other than the operator on the Aircraft. The carriers you mention did this and also have their name in smaller size on the aircraft.

That is what I was hoping for, a small sticker mentioning the Jazz Air name but apparently this will not be done either.

Quoting robsaw (Reply 13):
Air Canada has no stake in Jazz, therefore a AC-Jazz livery would be an impossibility since AC has nothing to do with this service and certainly wouldn't allow anything like their name or logo to be used by what is a competitor in this instance.

Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't aware that AC no longer has a stake in their former Jazz division.

Too bad we will not see a Jazz Air full livery or sticker applied to the aircraft.

A388


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

There is a small decal that says "Operated by Jazz" as the pic at the top of the thread illustrates.

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

The aircraft will be back with TCX by around March/April anyway for the UK summer season.


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User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
A full Air Canada Jazz-like livery would be fantastic too but I guess that will not happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!!

As a side note, I found this:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...ges/55590/500x400/jazz-air-757.jpg

(Apparently a fake, but it still looks pretty cool!)



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 15):
There is a small decal that says "Operated by Jazz" as the pic at the top of the thread illustrates.

That tiny sticker isn't even noticeable from a decent distance so they could have done without it as well.

Quoting UltimateDelta (Reply 17):
(Apparently a fake, but it still looks pretty cool!)

That indeed looks good. Too bad it didn't materialize.

A388


User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 18):
That tiny sticker isn't even noticeable from a decent distance so they could have done without it as well.

It is exactly where it needs to be- right beside the door as people are boarding.

It's like going to the H O L I D A Y * I N N.
Everybody knows the Holiday Inn.

But read the plaque mounted on the wall behind the far end of the reception desk and it no doubt says, "Managed and Operated by XYZ Property Management, inc."

The sticker is there only for those who need to know. For the rest, it's Thomas Cook Airlines.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25315 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 18):
Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 15):
There is a small decal that says "Operated by Jazz" as the pic at the top of the thread illustrates.

That tiny sticker isn't even noticeable from a decent distance so they could have done without it as well.

I don't think so. I believe it's a legal requirement that the operator of the aircraft be identified. I know it is in many countries. I would expect Canada has some similar rule.


User currently offlinemultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting robsaw (Reply 13):
Air Canada has no stake in Jazz, therefore a AC-Jazz livery would be an impossibility since AC has nothing to do with this service and certainly wouldn't allow anything like their name or logo to be used by what is a competitor in this instance.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jazz branding disappear from the flights they operate for Air Canada now that Jazz Air is becoming Chorus Aviation Inc. It may have been necessary when they were spun off, but it does AC no good.


User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):

Indeed. Transport Canada requires the operator to be shown on the aircraft.

As for the Thomas Cook flying, the aircraft will be flying from YYZ, YUL, YOW and YHZ to CUN, SJD, PVR, CZM, LIR, GEO, GND, AUA, PUJ, NAS, MBJ, and KIN.


User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting multimark (Reply 21):
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jazz branding disappear from the flights they operate for Air Canada now that Jazz Air is becoming Chorus Aviation Inc. It may have been necessary when they were spun off, but it does AC no good.

We have been told the Jazz brand will be staying.



Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YSJ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s):
User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 22):
As for the Thomas Cook flying, the aircraft will be flying from YYZ, YUL, YOW and YHZ to CUN, SJD, PVR, CZM, LIR, GEO, GND, AUA, PUJ, NAS, MBJ, and KIN.

Are these all operated for Sunquest? I see nothing on the Sunquest website for GND, GEO or KIN.

According to the Sunquest website, there are no flights at all on Wednesday and just one (YUL-CUN-YUL) on Tuesdays. Strangely, there appears to be 7 aircraft required on Saturday mornings.


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