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New Zealand Aviation Thread #87  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20086 times:
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Welcome to the 87th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #86 New Zealand Aviation Thread #86 (by 777ER Oct 23 2010 in Civil Aviation)#1 we learnt and discussed:

- NZs B77W - first photo - is there far too much white on it?
- SQs AKL B777 flights being replaced by A380s from the Northern winter?
- NZs 77W safety video with 'Ricco'
- NZ looks at increasing China services
- Air Asia X announce CHC-KUL
- UK airports increasing departure taxs
- ZK-NBS is no more, -NBS last picture before the final chop
- China Airlines announces AKL - BNE - TPE from Jan 1st with A333
- Koruman and the A320 tasman 'downgrade' service
- MH 6x daily from March 2011
- comparing NZs A320 tasman flight standards to European B737/A320 flight standard



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20117 times:
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Received this morning my new Airpoints Gold/Fly Buys card and quickly noticed that the Koru logo is missing from the top. Nothing new with the card in terms of design - except for the addition of the Fly Buys logo and missing Koru logo

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20049 times:

For reference, Business class is still available on the wide-body flights trans-tasman even with the new shorthaul program.

User currently offlineRSAero From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19980 times:

NZs B77W - first photo - is there far too much white on it?
The removal of the Pacific Waves has been policy for a few years now. ANZ have spent megabucks on design consultants and can't agree on a new livery. The Pacific Waves were part of a marketing campaign about 1999/2000. They were removed from all documents, letterheads etc years ago but stayed on the aircraft.
They were painted onto the A320's and B772's due to concerns over scribe marks in the skin using decals. If ANZ Engineering could have its way, there would never be any decals on their aircraft again. The LOTR and All Blacks decals caused big issues for engineering.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19872 times:
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Quoting RSAero (Reply 3):
They were painted onto the A320's and B772's due to concerns over scribe marks in the skin using decals.

A320's were also decals. 772 is painted though.

NZ1


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19854 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Koruman and the A320 tasman 'downgrade' service

In terms of seat comfort and leg room, how does this new 320 config compare to the 733?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19683 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 5):
In terms of seat comfort and leg room, how does this new 320 config compare to the 733?

I have tried a variety of rows, and the HVC seats (which NZ*G etc would sit in) are not bad at all. further down the back it is tighter but still similar to the 733 if not fractionally better.


User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19643 times:

Quoting RSAero (Reply 3):

NZs B77W - first photo - is there far too much white on it?

YES. The 320's and 733's look good without the Pacific Wave, otherwise the fuselage would look to cramped.
However the 77W looks too pale without it and even though NZ's 744's are slowly exiting service, NBU and SUH look incomplete without the Pacific Wave.

That's why I'm praying I get NBW, NBV, or SUJ when I go!


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19519 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):
For reference, Business class is still available on the wide-body flights trans-tasman even with the new shorthaul program.

When the new Continental/UA IAH-AKL service starts next year, I suppose CO would be hoping that passengers continuing on to Australia will ride in AirNZ widebodies.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19509 times:

Has ANZ published a seating plan for the new 77W online yet?

Quoting RSAero (Reply 3):
ANZ have spent megabucks on design consultants and can't agree on a new livery.

Holding it over for the 789s?

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
MH 6x daily from March 2011

I'm sure you meant 6 weekly?!!


User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19497 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Has ANZ published a seating plan for the new 77W online yet?

This might help you. Don't know how accurate it is.  

New livery or not, will NZ always keep the Koru?


User currently offlineNZ001 From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19492 times:

^^also the economy seats highlighted in blue are all the skycouch rows

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 19468 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 8):
When the new Continental/UA IAH-AKL service starts next year, I suppose CO would be hoping that passengers continuing on to Australia will ride in AirNZ widebodies.

perhaps they will fly on from AKL a la CO/UA when they used to fly here. .. The provisional timings I have heard rumored for CO are compatable with widebody services...


User currently offlineNZ5 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 19455 times:

Quoting NZ001 (Reply 7):

You seem to be the opposite to me! When I headed to LAX earlier this year I was hoping for a non-wave aircraft and I ended up with SUJ both ways.

Personally, I'm not too against the removal of the wave. To be honest I think one of the best liveries around is Air Canada's which is practically the same except they pull off the green/blue/grey fuselage which looks amazing.

To be honest, I reckon the best idea would have been to keep the wave and make adjustments to the font of the Air New Zealand decal on the fuselage. Keep the koru as is, but make the font of the titles different and maybe make it slightly bolder.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19447 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Has ANZ published a seating plan for the new 77W online yet?

Here:
http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/seat-map-boeing-777-300



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User currently offlineplanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19418 times:
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It appears as though CZ is still interested in AKL:

“China Southern will also, in the future, launch new services in succession from Guangzhou to Cairns, Perth, Auckland and Adelaide"

http://www.qbr.com.au/news/articleid/70629.aspx

Quoting NZ5 (Reply 13):
Keep the Koru as is, but make the font of the titles different and maybe make it slightly bolder.


The Koru is fine, as are the 'Air New Zealand' titles. What needs to change is the overall colour-scheme - the black rugby world cup A230 livery is lovely and would really make NZ stand out at overseas airports. People say that an all-black coloured plane would never happen because ATC could not see the plane at night, but this is rubbish because airlines like Royal Jordanian have an all black livery and it seems to work fine for them.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):
For reference, Business class is still available on the wide-body flights trans-Tasman even with the new shorthaul program.


Doesn't this further add to the already complicated fare structure of NZ trans-Tasman travel?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19403 times:
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Quoting planemanofnz (Reply 15):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 2):
For reference, Business class is still available on the wide-body flights trans-Tasman even with the new shorthaul program.


Doesn't this further add to the already complicated fare structure of NZ trans-Tasman travel?

If you purchase a Works Deluxe fare on a widebody service over the Tasman then you'll be seated in business, but it could be confussing if you book one of the sectors on an A320


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19398 times:

Quoting planemanofnz (Reply 15):
Doesn't this further add to the already complicated fare structure of NZ trans-Tasman travel?

Not really. There's only 5 options. That is less than most airlines have for fare basis for shorthaul...

It also means that longhaul biz won't be downgraded...


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19402 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):

If you purchase a Works Deluxe fare on a widebody service over the Tasman then you'll be seated in business, but it could be confussing if you book one of the sectors on an A320

Incorrect - you will be placed in the U Class Cabin.....


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19296 times:

This thread wouldn't be this thread if I didn't make a few pointed comments about Air New Zealand's China services, so here are a few little nuggets extrapolated from yesterday's 12 page Hong Kong supplement in The Australian.....

- "the economic activity of each Hong Konger is still eight times greater than that of a person in China"

- "Australia had placed $20 billion in Hong Kong by the end of last year, while Hong Kong had invested $56 billion in Australia. This is several times more, each way, than the investment flows between Australia and China".

- "The Guangdong province adjacent to Hong Kong is.... the richest and most developed areas of China.....Shenzen now has 12 million people and a higher per capita income than either Beijing or Shanghai.....Hong Kong businesspeople still own 50,000 factories in Shenzen alone".

I guess that this could be extrapolated to New Zealand too, although I don't know. But my interpretation would be that Hong Kong and the neighbouring Cantonese-speaking provinces should be Air New Zealand's primary target market, with Shanghai a distant second and nothing after.......

There probably is some sort of justification for flying from Auckland to Beijing, but I would have thought that it would be a much lower priority than flights to Taipei, Singapore, Mumbai, Bangalore, Delhi, Haneda, Fukuoka, Jakarta, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Saigon et al. Don't forget that PEK-AKL is almost exactly the same distance as AKL-LAX: we are talking about a LONG sector.

There would, after all, be at least two dozen cities in India in which there are greater numbers of people who can afford to fly who are familiar with New Zealand before you can arrive at Shanghai's market penetration, let alone Beijing's. And if that seems like an exaggeration, the 24th most populous city in India is Baroda, whose airport serves 20 million Gujeratis. And Baroda is the home of numerous Indian cricketers such as Zaheer Khan (who as I speak is running through the New Zealand tail in a Test Match in Hyderabad, which is also a more obvious market for Air New Zealand than Beijing) so New Zealand has an extremely high profile there.........

It's just very strange really. Kinshasa in the Congo has a much bigger population than Johannesburg, but if you were starting a flight from Auckland to Africa you would pick South Africa because there are links and because New Zealand has a profile and therefore a market there. Yet it is considered to be completely normal for Air New Zealand to fly to cities in China in which not even 5% of the population has ever heard of New Zealand.

[Edited 2010-11-12 22:24:19]

[Edited 2010-11-12 22:25:52]

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19141 times:

PEK left tonight with over 300 aboard...

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19114 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 20):
PEK left tonight with over 300 aboard...

Maybe it did, but according to Expert Flyer here is the availability for the return flight, which that aircraft turns around to perform:

C4 D4 Z4 J7
U7 E7 O7 A7
Y7 M7 B7 H7
Q7 V7 W7 T7 L7

In other words, the Business Premier and Premium Economy cabins are as unsold as it is possible to detect, but so are all of the high and medium yielding buckets in Economy Class.

By way of comparison, consider availability on NZ1 LHR-LAX the very same day:

C0 D0 Z0 J0
U3 E0 O0 A0

This tells us what we already know, in all honesty. The market for Business Premier and Premium Economy to Beijing is absolutely non-existent, as is the market for full-fare economy. The airline is left wholesaleing discount economy packages, and uses op-ups to place some of those low-yield discount economy passengers in higher class cabins.

It is really annoying, to tell the truth. It appears that Tasman services are a target if they sell too few premium seats, yet Chinese routes are not subject to the same standards.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19094 times:

Flew last week from PVG with only 1 Business seat empty. NZ started LHR services in 1982 which is now a very mature route for NZ. VS spent 4 years to break even on PVG route. Not comparing apple with apple.

China is world's second largest economy. It would be stupid to stop flying there. Tasman, a short haul route, has some 11 airlines flying. NZ enjoys monoply on the long haul Chinese routes. Of course they are not subject to the same standards.


User currently offlinev2fix From New Zealand, joined Mar 2003, 368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19068 times:

I note that New Zealand and Russia a re negoiting a free trade agreement with Russia. Now - thats an interesting route for someone to start flying !

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 22):
Flew last week from PVG with only 1 Business seat empty. NZ started LHR services in 1982 which is now a very mature route for NZ. VS spent 4 years to break even on PVG route. Not comparing apple with apple.

A point that was made many moons ago - Thread #1 ? - which K'man elected to ignore.

By normal Western business standards the Chinese consumer is incedibly discerning - and places 'Knowing' the person they are doing business with and 'Trust' over more Western values - such as Price.

NZ had to demonstrate they were in there for the long haul (no pun intended) and they were committed to the Chinese market - not just visiting for a quick dollar and then a quick exit if or when times got hard.

Every single - non-Chinese airline has had to go through this - some have failed (I'll let others on this thread suggest who those might be) - but I can only see NZ loads going in the right direction - as they have been.


As a second Point of Interest: The facilities that show seat availability on the web are notouriously incorrect (even if claiming direct feeds for Amadeus etc) - and is why I stopped spending my hard earned cash on using them nearly 3 years ago. Let me give you two recent examples:

A BOS-LHR flight - showing 4Y and 0J on BA last Thursday - left with 70 (yes - Seventy) empty seats on-board.
A EWR-LHR flight - showing 7Y 7U on VS a month ago - was offering checked in passengers 2 return tickets and $100 dollars plus night in hotel with $50 food for being off-loaded to next days flight.

How do I know - because I was on both flights. Tools like Expert Flyer are no measure of bums on seats.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18966 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 21):
This tells us what we already know, in all honesty. The market for Business Premier and Premium Economy to Beijing is absolutely non-existent

The vacant seats were in Economy, and there were very few upgrades to PEK . like v2fix suggests, the data you have is not entirely accurate. The loads are now consistently good in either direction for both PVG/PEK and that is why the flights will be increased in the future.


25 Post contains images NZ001 : Sorry Kaitak, I forgot to post the link NZ107 did it anyway.
26 BlackLabel : Just as an interesting datapoint, I was in Shanghai last week and was met by a taxi driver who does a lot of transport for foreign visitors - typical
27 777ER : With todays announcement of Avianca-TACA and Copa Airlines joining the Star Alliance, will this convince NZ to launch a South America route sooner rat
28 NZ2 : One problem with the new card is that they cannot be scanned so the operator has to punch in the number for flybuys - at least that is what happened
29 aerorobnz : actually i think this will probably mean TAM jumps to oneworld LAN. Imagine with we started BOG....hahaha that'd be a big surprise for all...
30 koruman : Absolutely not comparing apples with apples, you're right. The routes from every other western nation to China are outbound high-yield routes, with r
31 777ER : Didn't have that problem when I used mine yesterday at my local New World. The Fly Buys number also shows on the receipt so it went throu.
32 Post contains images mariner : To tell the truth, I think it is very annoying, but differently. I don't understand your relentless war on the China routes. Personally, I am very pl
33 DavidByrne : Relentlessness is K'man's identifying characteristic. Just wish he could be relentlessly positive about something instead of relentlessly negative, t
34 NZ5 : I fully agree that the HNL route needs to be upgraded to the Long-Haul product on the 777s. This is being done during the July holidays in 2011, howe
35 zkojh : i know a couple of people in marketing so ill dig around and find out why china is not being advertised lol..
36 koruman : Air New Zealand flew pretty much exactly that until the turn of the century. They gave up for two reasons: the 747-400 had sufficient range to get ac
37 mariner : I have quite serious questions about Air New Zealand and "the vision thing" but I have very few questions about their managerial competence. There ar
38 alangirvan : Air New Zealand is in good company. Only a few threads ago Koruman was predicting hard times ahead for Southwest Airlines. Those hard times still seem
39 NZ001 : Is ZK OKM definitely being delivered in November?
40 cchan : Perhaps NZ should forget about the 787 and convert the order to 767/777 models.
41 NZ107 : Latest I heard was just before Christmas. What I really want to know is when the inaugural flight is actually happening. My seat selection for the 10
42 koruman : Yes, that's right, because at that point 18 months ago much of their profitability came from very sound fuel hedging. In the recently announced quart
43 NZ5 : Looks like we're booked on the same flight! Yeah my booking has also changed to a 772 however the schedule says 77W. I seriously hope that it will be
44 Rendezvous : 10 abreast in economy on the 777-300ER? Really?
45 Post contains links mariner : I have the following numbers for the quarter. American $143 million. Southwest $205 million. http://www.suntimes.com/business/ear...American-Airlines
46 767er : sorry guys, the first flight is 13th January I was also stung flying at Xmas. Thought it was the 77W and then changed to the 744.
47 aerokiwi : So in effect your conceding that your predictions of gloom for Southwest didn't account for all of the market conditions, which, incidentally, existe
48 PA515 : There has been no explanation for the five week delay to the aircraft commencing on NZ6/NZ5. The aircraft was rolled out on schedule so it seems unre
49 alangirvan : VirginBlue seem to be keeping us waiting for the relaunch of their Australian domestic product. People are expecting a more spacious Business Class s
50 aerokiwi : Ha! Good analogy. Each running into oblivion at the other extreme. Hmmm good point, I hadn't considered that. It does seem to be a bit of a contradic
51 777ER : Speaking of DJ going upmarket, when is Y+ coming onto PacBlue and PacBlues upgrade being announced? On one of my recent NZ flights, I heard an NZ emp
52 ANstar : I believe the relaunch is due in February
53 planemanofnz : More good news for Auckland Airport and its plans to increase tourist numbers from Asia as KE are to ramp up capacity on the ICN-AKL route from 5x 772
54 aotearoa : For all the plane-spotters out there; I understand that Air New Zealand's first new A320 destined for domestic operations, with a EIS late early Feb 2
55 NZ83 : So a AKL to ZQN flight had bird strike today apparently on take off. What sort of damage occured
56 ZKEOJ : And, without having proof, I suspect that most booked business class seats are Airpoints dollars bookings/upgrades... Cheers micha
57 aerorobnz : I fear that due to poor terminal facilities and additional security for US bound flights another jumbo will be the straw to break the camels back. ..
58 overlander : This thread seems an appropriate place to ask for a bit of advice from Kiwis regarding travel to New Zealand for the Rugby World Cup 2011. I already h
59 Post contains links ZKSUJ : Overlander, for campervans try: http://www.britz.co.nz/ http://www.alphacampervans.co.nz/ http://www.maui.co.nz/
60 NZ5 : There are so many options however I would suggest either of the following: 1. As I'm sure many will suggest, Air NZ would be my choice of airline, fl
61 Post contains links NZ107 : Or even just take the 77W all the way via LAX.. I've got a feeling that Y+ would nearly be good enough and I'd like to see some sort of coverage on h
62 planemanofnz : NZ is ridiculously over-priced for what it is. BI always tends to be the cheapest and best value for money, but it's obvious that SQ has by far the m
63 Zkpilot : Depends if you want to drink or not.... alcohol-free flights on Royal Brunei Personally I would suggest either QF or NZ (NZ being the quickest). Anot
64 aerorobnz : I've sat in both the new Y+ and C seats. I was immensely happy with the Y+ - esp the footrest. Having said that the new soft duvet and 2x full size p
65 PA515 : A few hours ago the new KE advert on BBC World specified 'New Zealand'. They mention a different country each time. The South Korean economy has been
66 Post contains images NZ001 : I have never actually flown Business Premier on NZ, but I am going on it in 3 weeks. However I have been on EK and SQ and my Dad who you could argue
67 sunrisevalley : NZ's future is all twin powered aircraft. My view is that the EDTO fly around distances are going to be a problem until the carrier has a solid opera
68 NZ107 : I'd sure like to think so.. I think if it was electronic rather than mechanical, the Y+ could work a bit better because IMO it's a bit cumbersome rea
69 Post contains images NZdsgnr : Well no matter how unlikely... I'm still going to put it out there.... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NZ HAVE AN OPEN DAY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO COME ONBOARD
70 Post contains links planemanofnz : Not really. The one stop airlines include KE/SQ/MH/CX/NZ/TG to AKL and SQ/D7 to CHC. Multiple stop airlines include EK/BI/CI/QF (excluding the one-st
71 PA515 : The 77W's are replacements for 744's being returned to lessors plus Air NZ will only have seven 77E's available from late Oct 2011 to about late Jan
72 Post contains links NZ1 : OKM's delivery details in this thread: 1st NZ 773ER Delivery Flight Details (by NZ1 Nov 16 2010 in Civil Aviation) NZ1
73 koruman : I think you're wrong, and I'll tell you why. I often have work funded business in HNL, and have tried to bring Mrs Koruman and the two Korukids out t
74 aerokiwi : Ha! The number of times I've heard that. Sorry, not meaning to be an arse, but if trade does "sky-rokcet" following an FTA (and there's no guarantee)
75 Post contains links and images NZ107 : You'd hope that the ones flying down here do... When we see OZ re-enter AKL-ICN, we'll know then that the Korean market has picked up. On an aside, s
76 Post contains links NZ107 : Another 'report' to add to the weighting behind NZ's J product and service: http://www.justluxe.com/lifestyle/aircraft/feature-1042325.php
77 Post contains links zkojh : Effective Thursday 18NOV10, American Airlines will begin placing its “AA” code on all jetStar’s Domestic New Zealand service to/from Auckland, w
78 Post contains links NZdsgnr : Another one for Mr Fyfe! http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...r-NZ-CEO-wins-yet-another-accolade
79 767er : Is the SYD RAR still running or has it been quietly dropped?
80 aerorobnz : As far as I know it is still happening, and will continue after the trial.
81 777ER : When does Jetconnect B738s start serving WLG daily? Reason I ask is because last Friday ZK-ZQA was at WLG and none of QFs schedules show B738s operati
82 aerorobnz : When ZQD & E arrive I think... There have been a few aircraft swaps maybe that's why it was there
83 DavidByrne : It was only ever scheduled to run for a short period of time. Maybe again next year - will the season be longer next time?
84 Post contains links v2fix : For some insight into the design thoughts and layouts for seating considered in the new 777-300's, soon to join the fleet, check out : http://bestawar
85 NZ001 : Cool link! I think the cluster one would have gone disastrous!
86 cchan : There is a small notice on the Air NZ website which says they are going to charge a card payment fee for using credit cards for online bookings. When
87 YVR1968 : This seems to be the norm as more and more companies pass on the charge to consumers. And AMEX/Diners seem to attract even higher % charges. Just che
88 NZ2 : Can anyone explain this: Sydney-Kingsford Smith Airport to Auckland - Wed 01 Dec 2010 Departs Arrives Flight Info Stops Duration 9:40am 2:40pm NZ0102
89 yvr1968 : I just looked at the NZ web site and yeah it looks like the 6:35pm flight is full in Y but there is availability in J. Looks like 1 Dec is a busy day
90 NZ2 : Thanks for that, yes I am *gold so will see what they can do. Cheers
91 RichardJF : The suggestion made about painting the new livery all black would be a very interesting idea. They shouldn't dismiss the concept and could be used in
92 Post contains links pugsley : from the AirAsia website http://www.airasia.com/my/en/presignup/kulchc.html and the next destination is.......... Christchurch. I cant wait to see if
93 sunrisevalley : Based on the annualised number of seats that have been quoted in press releases it is difficult to imagine that it can be anything but a one-stop ser
94 gemuser : It will be direct, there is no question of that. The question is will it be non stop? Sunrisevalley is pretty good at the numbers, so it seems it won
95 alangirvan : It is intended to be a non stop service between Christchurch and KL both directions. There may be a slight payload reduction in some weather condition
96 sunrisevalley : Assuming a 80% load factor , some 230 seats, daily 4x or 5x weekly seems one heck of a lot of seats. I find it hard to believe that a 100 m radius of
97 kiwiandrew : Is the traffic necessarily going to be mainly New Zealand originating ? I think that we will find there will be more inbound than outbound .
98 gasman : Don't get me started. Airline proponents will explain that it amounts to only 3cm less width per seat (still a significant drop in a Y class seat IMH
99 sunrisevalley : Where would the origin of these incoming passengers be? Malaysia ? Or will there it be based on very low cost STN/CDG-KUL-CHC fares?
100 sunrisevalley : Does the NZ 772 Y- seating upgrade involve going to 10 abreast? I am pleasantly surprised at the number of sky couch positions provided for on the 77W
101 Post contains images ZKEOJ : Hi All I saw Norm Thompson (Deputy CEO of NZ) yesterday at AUT University, and he made some interesting comments. Most have been discussed on here bef
102 NZ107 : Yes. It'd be the most obvious next city in China however NZ need to be careful that they don't cannibalise their HKG loads. It would be interesting t
103 ZKEOJ : I don't think HKG and CAN will be much competition, given that you can only take the train/bus from HKG to Guangzhou. I was just there and flew SQ AK
104 xiaotung : NZ must have like 30 potential new destinations on their list. Before NZ make PVG and/or PEK daily I wouldn't read to much into it. CZ are likely to
105 NZ107 : You can take the bus/train but as you said, going into CAN is much more convenient if that's your final destination.. Hence people who fly to HKG to
106 ZKEOJ : Or taking SQ for that matter (as I did a couple of years ago).... Ahhh, now I understand what you mean... Cheers! micha
107 sunrisevalley : I have trouble understanding what the problem is AKL-BOM. CO has a number of routes that are ESAD longer that the 772 works perfectly well on. What w
108 Kaiarahi : Not necessarily, depending on: - whether 788/789 EIS is linear - if there are additional delays to 789 EIS, NZ may be further disadvantaged (e.g. CO
109 zkojh : Runway lights out at Akl Airport Aircraft were also sitting on the tarmac waiting to depart after the edge lights of the runway went out about 10.40pm
110 KiwiRob : This is likely to give k'man a heart attack.
111 sunrisevalley : In my view IAH-AKL is unlikely until the 788 gets some meaningful EDTO diversion time. The fly around is in the order of 400nm putting the westbound
112 Post contains images ZKEOJ : That made me giggle - thanks, Rob!
113 777ER : So NZ are now trying to discourage passengers paying by credit card, how is that Looks like HLZ got second most amount of flights, with CHC only gett
114 cchan : That's not a smart move. Credit cards are the easiest way to pay for online shopping or booking.
115 alangirvan : Qantas and Jetstar have already been doing this for years - have you noticed "convenience fee" in the small print of their ads? For Australian based
116 777ER : No as I don't fly with the 'smoking' roo. Some small private petrol stations in Wellington suburbs starting charging customers for using their credit
117 koruman : If it's Guangzhou then it would have my full support - not that anyone cares about that - but as a stopover to the UK. Actually no, and I'm happy to
118 Post contains links xiaotung : As always your input never has sources. I hope you have attended university. Below link says the contrary. http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2...%93
119 alangirvan : In fact a new Shenzhen long haul route has recently been announced by Hainan Airlines, who will be flying three weekly services to Sydney.
120 RichardJF : There could be a nasty knock on effect of downward pressure on NZ-Europe airfares.
121 xiaotung : Yes, the only 1. And the route actually originates from Hangzhou going to Sydney via Shenzhen.[Edited 2010-11-27 23:18:17]
122 koruman : Xiaotung, I meant no offence at all, I was just explaining why I would support Guangzhou as a destination. And my source, as I was in a hurry, was Wik
123 xiaotung : Fair enough but I think as you know your reasons are heavily biased. Using the link provided, I think in a way it's not hard to see why Shanghai was
124 koruman : Xiaotung, you are probably right that historical factors influence my perception of China and it's aviation market. This coming week may seem like any
125 Kaiarahi : They've worked perfectly well for Canada, despite the size of the country - one base in Alberta (Cold Lake) and one in Quebec (Bagotville). BTW - Are
126 777ER : Maybe HNL should also go down the same route with high density seating?
127 SCL767 : It would indeed be very interesting to see NZ operate non-stop into SCL, should NZ chose to operate into South America via SCL. Actually, LAN will re
128 aflyingkiwi : Wow, that would be interesting. Where do you think they would fly if this happened. Regards aflyingkiwi
129 planemanofnz : EZE-AKL-MEL was rumoured on here before.
130 SCL767 : Currently, SCL-AKL-SYD is operating daily. Should QF decide to enter the Brazilian market and drop EZE, LAN Argentina could potentially operate EZE-A
131 Post contains links 777ER : NZ5043 returned to WLG shortly after take off this afternoon after the pilot noticed smoke in the cockpit. The flight was greeted by 9 fire trucks and
132 aerorobnz : my suspicion is that if NZ does go to South America it won't compete direct with LAN into SCL. LA is far too big an operator within Latin America for
133 SCL767 : I agree, NZ would not do well operating AKL-SCL against LAN. IMO, QF will eventually operate into Brazil. Also, starting on January 1, 2011, pax from
134 pilotdude09 : Is the new domestic A320's going to have AVOD and the TT seating so they can be utilised for TT and Dom? I don't understand why NZ cant do AKL-PER-In
135 aerorobnz : I heard a rumor that the current intl aircraft will end up as the domestic aircraft, and the newly delivered aircraft will eventually operate shortha
136 Post contains links sunrisevalley : There is some very good "stuff in the Air NZ Investor day presentation of Nov.25th. Particularly in Norm Thompson's section on tourism origins etc. li
137 777ER : I've tried to find out online on the NZ Q & A section but with no luck, do Star Gold/NZ gold/Koru members get to reserve seats with the Tasman/Isl
138 aerorobnz : My understanding is that they will go into the HVC space on the right hand side of the aisle up the front. 4-5 rows have extra space, but don't get a
139 777ER : Whats HVC space?
140 planemanofnz : If the LATAM group join Star Alliance, then maybe NZ could fly MEL-AKL-SCL 3/x weekly with a 744 without cannibalising the existing LAN Sydney route.
141 SCL767 : LAN certainly will not join Star Alliance. LAN will stay with oneworld for several reasons, (ATI with AA, along with strategic code-share relationshi
142 aerorobnz : High Value Customer. ie: NZ*G,NZ*E LAN will stay in Oneworld for sure. With Copa/Avianca and Taca all soon to be full Star Alliance members there isn
143 SCL767 : LA/JJ already streamlined their frequent flyer programs in 2007! Since then, JJ pax can earn and redeem miles on any LAN operated flight. LAN pax can
144 duff : Bit off the topic but can someone tell me what Pacific Blues ETOPS or ETDO limitation is?
145 Post contains links NZdsgnr : more on NZ dropping Samoa/Tonga- LAX http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../Air-NZ-reveals-big-Pacific-losses
146 NZ5 : Yeah this is correct. The first four A320s will be serving international destinations and then the rest will join the domestic fleet. I'm unsure as t
147 NZ107 : Yeah, this was mentioned by NZ1 around the time of the A320 purchase. The current A320 fleet plus the first couple were destined for domestic use but
148 Post contains links 777ER : Air Asia X will be giving away free flights tomorrow at its launch at Cathedral Square tomorrow. http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...05919/Airline-
149 NZ1 : No they aren't The first 4 aircraft being OAB, OJQ, OJR and OJS are destined for DOMESTIC operations only. The next ten will replace the current flee
150 777way : When did NZ drop the wave from their livery? looking bland without it.
151 Post contains links ZKEOJ : Hi All in addition to my post 101, here is a podcast of Norm Thompson's keynote address at AUT: http://www.nztri.org/ Cheers micha
152 LondonCity : Remember, it's not just the decreased seat width. It's also the fact that aisles will be narrower (so less space to pass one another) and the fact th
153 NZ107 : Haha, where did that registration come from!? How about OAA..
154 Post contains links NZdsgnr : mmmm was it an accident or payback time? hahaha http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4409208/Air-NZ-plane-damaged-in-Samoa
155 sunrisevalley : There is too much cabin baggage allowed, it is about time long haul airlines insisted that the limits be adhered to.
156 aerorobnz : That probably involves reducing capacity to 168 from 171 only, and maybe the domestic Y product. Hear Hear!! We have now got Eftpos terminals at gate
157 Post contains links flyjetstar : Air Asia at CHC: About 1,000 people gathered in Christchurch Square today for the launch of cut-price airline, AirAsia X. Malaysian-based AirAsia X sa
158 cchan : This would be great. Tired of seeing those fellow passengers who can't even stow their bag into the overhead bins themselves. This is a bit difficult
159 Post contains links aflyingkiwi : Air New Zealand continues to expand it's legal action against the sale of 24.99% of Queenstown Airport to Auckland Airport for $27.7 million. http://w
160 BlackLabel : I'm OK with this option; although if only one airline implements it they will quickly find themselves losing business where there is any competition.
161 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : AirAsia X Launches New Zealand Air Fares Schedule is out. D7 2754 KUL CHC 08:55 23:10 57 D7 2755 CHC KUL 01.25 07:45 16 D7 2756 KUL CHC 23:40 13:55+1
162 gasman : ............and more people using the lavatories, an increased sense of crowding and claustrophobia in the cabin........ about 5 years ago I flew AKL
163 cchan : What is the aircraft type for these flights? A340?
164 alangirvan : There is a difference, whether you are talking about short haul of long haul. Ryanair invented the idea of charging you to check in a suitcase - and
165 planemanofnz : A330-300.
166 NZ1 : It's part of the marketing around the aircraft being painted in an All Black livery. I don't have the link, but when this was announced a wee while b
167 NZ107 : Oh, never picked that one out!
168 KiwiRob : This really gets up my wick, I usually site in the first couple of rows but can never get my carry-on in the bin above due to crew bags taking up the
169 gasman : Yes. I actually blame the airlines. While a few people that bring the kitchen sink into the cabin have an arrogant disregard for their fellow passeng
170 leonjunior : well done Airasia X! btw, can a A330 with 388 seats do non-stop on KUL - CHC ?
171 Post contains images sunrisevalley : A 233t MTOW version, assuming a DOW of 129t is good for ~43t payload over a 5100nm ESAD. Max passenger load at 388-seats is ~ 37t so it should work.
172 NZ107 : Also somewhat suggests that people should fly JQ to SE Asia over D7 if the prices are the same..
173 NZ2 : I agree! Came back from SYD today on 767 and an american couple were loading up the bin over my seat with suitcases! They actually thought their seat
174 ash185 : Are the SQ772 to AKL refitted with the new seats? I think i they might have been in July but I cant remember. Also are the business class seats flat b
175 yvr1968 : So you got the flight you wanted? Did you have to use your * Gold status to help you out? Just curious! Funny those passengers you mentioned are Amer
176 NZ2 : Yes I def think *G status helped but not that I mentioned it. I went to see the ticket change counter and a nice asian lady looked after me, got me a
177 BlackLabel : The last couple times I've done this flight (SQ282 anyway) it's been on the refitted 772s - the have inclined-flat seats in Business.
178 yvr1968 : Yeah the refitted 777-200ERs have the same J class seat as the B744. They are very clever, and correct, not to call it a true flat-bed as when fully
179 777ER : JQ are offering $99 flights from AKL-KUL via SIN but with very heavy restrictions
180 LondonCity : Remember too that another big advantage of SIA's flat bed J seating on its A380s and B777-300ERs is that the seats are disposed only 4 across: 1-2-1.
181 aerorobnz : 9V-SRN is on SQ282 duty - it has been for the last few months.. It is refitted...
182 zkojh : with another delay on the 787 program, dout NZ are very happy right now... time to think off some 77W options?
183 NZ107 : Not just 77Ws, they need interim aircraft of about the same size of the 787. The 77L is somewhat in a similar position that the 789 will fill.
184 777ER : Speaking off options, when will NZ make an announcement of additional aircraft to cover the delays?
185 kaitak : Has any timeframe been announced for this, or even a configuration? Given the imminent arrival of the 77W, presumably they will want to start fairly
186 sunrisevalley : Not sure if the IAE engine is part of the NEO program. I have always thought that an IAE engined aircraft had the inside running at NZ. since ultimat
187 NZ99 : And now D7 flights are available to book. Bought 2 Return flights CHC - KUL for $334. Or $83.50 a sector including all tax
188 BlackLabel : The refit 777-200ER (and 777-300) is the same seat as the new A330-300 seats - which looks more like the 777-300ER/A380 business seat than the Spaceb
189 ZKSUJ : I see in another thread that CI will be starting AKL soon
190 aflyingkiwi : China Airlines have already announced flights to AKL via BNE. The flights are 3 times a week and will start on 1 Jan 11. I think you can already book
191 Post contains links 777ER : 11000 seats sold in 2 hours http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...6/High-demand-for-discount-flights
192 zkojh : Gosh thats good going for Air Asia X!
193 sunrisevalley : Hope you are both smaller than normal to fit into the 15.77' wide x 31" pitch seats !! According to some trip reports you would be advised to take yo
194 alangirvan : The first A320NEOs will be available in 2016. If AirNZ has learned their lesson from the 787, they might go back to the Australian/NZ policy of waiti
195 NZ107 : Or their policy of getting the last of everything such as the 733s?
196 alangirvan : Or they will get the very last IAE A320s off the production line.
197 aerorobnz : and 1900Ds...
198 777ER : And Q300s!
199 pugsley : They are fine, taken D7 many times, and despite what it sounds like, the seats are not a problem. The trick I've learnt though is to pre-book seats a
200 Kaiarahi : Huh?
201 CPDC10-30 : Compared to any other LCC, AirAsia X's buy on board food is much better quality and much more reasonably priced. Trust me, I've flown quite a few! In
202 Kaiarahi : Never flown them. I was reacting to being described as
203 pugsley : As CPDC10-30 said, the range and quality of food on D7 is varied, cheap and good quality. I'm sorry i only listed 4 of their basic options, there is
204 Post contains links aflyingkiwi : Hi New Zealand domestic airfares up since Pacific Blue stopped domestic service in New Zealand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...irfares-up-as-c
205 Post contains links ash185 : Looks like continental is delaying the entry into akl due to 787 issues http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...and-start-on-boeing-787-delay.html
206 aerohottie : Air NZ need to get on this route with their 772ERs quick smart.... yeah right...
207 kiwiandrew : could the 772ERs actually do that route ?
208 Zkpilot : No but NZ could take up its options for say 4x 77L to make up for the shortfall from the 787 delays. These aircraft would allow such a route and free
209 sunrisevalley : Assuming a EDTO diversion time of 180-min the fly around distance is ~7300nm, and you need to add about 300nm to get a westbound ESAD. So it is quite
210 Post contains links NZ107 : If anyone's interested, here's a trip report of mine from my recent AKL-LAX flight on NZ2: Grabbing A Seat Long Haul: NZ2- The Flagship Route (by NZ10
211 Post contains links sunrisevalley : I note that the N.Z. CAA have published their final EDTO rules. Go to the following link and click on " Amendment 21" http://www.caa.govt.nz/rules/Par
212 alangirvan : As you may have seen on Airline Route Etihad have announced two Trans Tasman codeshares with PacificBlue on SYD-AKL and SYD-CHC. These flights have ve
213 777ER : In all honesty this doesn't surprise me even thou NZ and DJ said at the time DJ announced them pulling off the routes that fares wouldn't rise. Yes f
214 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #88 Summer Season (by 777ER Dec 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)
215 nz6 : And get a delivery slot within 12 months? all to beat CO by what 1-3 months? don't think so.
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