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CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?  
User currently offlineJonathanlo From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Why CX still need to stop in Anchorage on the Hong Kong-Toronto route???
like UA JFK-HKG and CO EWR-HKG they can go direct non-stop to Hong Kong???


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User currently offlineNEFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

This particular flight carries A LOT of cargo, along with passengers, so its not possible to fly it non-stop with the current A343.

During the winter, CX operates this flight as a non-stop flight HKG-YYZ. The flying time is arond 15 hours 05 minutes. But, the west bound flight(YYZ-ANC-HKG) still has a stop in ANC. The stop in ANC is a technical stop only.

I would prefer to have a stop rather than a non-stop on this route. The flying time will be too long(west bound), especially in the winter time.

I believe this topic has already been discussed over and over again.


User currently offlineJonathanlo From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

how about a B747-400 or B777-200ER???

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

This route YYZ-HKG was the first ever Polar route of any airline. CX did a trial run for a few days with the 340 over the pole. The major problems where the long flying time, and the as yet not up to par Russian ATC service. CX will probably re-introduce the polar route from YYZ with the newer A340's. Cargo will be reduced because CX is supposed to be returning with CX Cargo 747 service this year, and that should make the polar route more profitable in terms of fuel burn / weight restrictions.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineNEFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

I don't think so.

CX uses B777 for short-mid range flights. B744 and A343 are the only aircraft flown to North America.

CX is using a re-configured A343 on the JFK-HKG non-stop flight, so it looks like they don't plan to use the B744 for that route. UA is even dropping 744 service on their non-stop JFK-HKG(after oct 31), and using a B777 instead.



User currently offlineJonathanlo From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

isn't it the JFK-HKG was the first ever Polar route???
CX did a trial on the first day when the Hong Kong new international airport open...
I remember it is in July 1998


User currently offlineJonathanlo From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

then why Korean Air need to stop in Anchorage
(YYZ-ICN)
they use 747-400...


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

The CX nonstop service between JFK and HKG is operated by a special A343, with reduced seating capacity and probably some limitations on cargo payload; CX is doing this in order to compete with UA and CO, with their nonstop flights, as they do not want to loose market share, especially with full fare and premium pax who choose nonstop flights whenever possible (business people especially want to get to their destinations and return as quickly as possible, time is money!)

The YYZ service, with a "standard" A343, and lots of cargo, has a little problem with the range, especially during certain seasons due to winds, etc. That is why the stop is scheduled. When CX gets longer range variants of the A340, look for the stop to be eliminated as they would also prefer to offer nonstop service between the cities - YYZ/HKG is an important market for business travellers as well.

As stated above, CX owns the "shorter-range" variants of the 777 and uses them primarily on regional flights where lots of capacity is needed.


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Jonathanlo, You are right the YYZ-HKG flight was the first polar Airbus flight, and the first polar flight from Canada. Korean has to stop in one direction, but eastbound I think it is non-stop. At least when I flew on KAL YYZ-KIX-YYZ with the 777, We stopped in ANC going West but it was non stop going East, and that probably also has something to do with winds and cargo/weight restrictions.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineJonathanlo From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Do they use 777-200ER of 777-200 or 777-300??? for Toronto-Seoul...
I thought they use 747-400 do they???

But 777 have the range to fly directly from Toronto to Seoul why they need to stop in ANC???

Is it because of the Cargo...
Since ANC is a big hub for Cargo...

Do anybody know why???


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Korean Air's Toronto flight now uses B747-400 for Seoul (Incheon)-Anchorage-Toronto v.v.

They used to have east-bound Toronto flight non-stop, while west-bound stops at Anchorage.

Also, I think one of KE's New York (or Newark) flight operates via Anchorage.


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

As someone said in the above, CX was the first to use Airbus (A343) to fly over the pole.

Regarding the stop at ANC, CX need to stop there bcuz the crews would get off at ANC, and replace by other crews.

Also, have to stop at ANC for refueling due to the load.

hope this help
r panda


User currently offlineChrisj From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2904 times:

they pick up passengers from here.
since there are a lot of asians up here.


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2902 times:

Chrisj: ???

CX828/829 don't pick pax at ANC. CX has no right to do that and all pax have to go back to the acft to continue their trip after refueling.

Where were you told that CX picked up pax there at ANC?

r panda


User currently offlineChrisj From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

sorry,
it was korean airlines i was referring to.


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