Not clear if it is 8 orders lost or 8 planes lost.Hope for Boeing it's "only" 8 frames.The article (sorry only in French) say "8 commandes annulees" = 8 orders lost.They also said the nameS of the customerS have not been revealed , letting suppose these cancellations come from more than one customer.
The first name coming to my mind is Kenya Aw , which is supposed to take a decision before yearend to order or not A330s.
cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11503 times:
Losing eight orders is not surprising given Boeing's delays on the 787, with the delivery schedule slipping even further. Like many people on this forum have said before: it's okay to lose orders now, only to get them back later when a better product is released. So losing eight orders now may lead to 16 later. That's an acceptable trade-off, in my opinion.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5912 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10925 times:
Ok befoer everyone get's in a huffy. This was a simple transfer of an order from one buyer to another. The net remains the same Ther eare some people here on A.net and in the media who love to crow about the 787 losing orders. Well this was not a cancellation it was a transfer. It was a badly kept secret that everyone knew about: that SV was going to buy 8 of the 787 orders from ALAFCO.
ZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10851 times:
Boeing orders table clearly shows -8 and 8 new this week. essentially, SV took over the ALAFCO order (or a part of it). It is the same as if you take eight Euro from one pocket and put the coins into another pocket. Do you become richer? No. Poorer? No.
TrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 341 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10659 times:
Yes...essentially an assignment of Alafco's order to Saudia. Likely an accommodation Boeing is making for Saudia so they can step into Alafco's positions rather than requiring Alafco to stay in the deal up until delivery and then sell to SV but contractually requires the termination of one contract concurrent with the signing of the other.
As for impact to the program, you'd have to look at it as a positive having a major customer like Saudia on-board.
BlueFlyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4697 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10188 times:
If the facts behind the story are indeed the ALAFCO/Saudi transfer, then the article isn't well written (it isn't just in English that journalists can't write, apparently).
The plural "commandes" and "annulations" speak to more than one customer and more than one cancellation. Had it been about Boeing receiving one cancellation from one customer, the singular would/should have been used, irrespective of the number of frames involved (much like English).
Where it does get confusing is where the article claims that these cancellations (to use their words) came in the span of 7 days. While it would be unfortunate to say the least for Boeing to get cancellations from 8 customers in a week, I don't think that it takes 7 days to do the paperwork to transfer 8 aircraft from one customer to another either.
So badly written article, or bad week for Boeing?
Nothing I say is the truth. Everything I write is fiction.
7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4285 times:
Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 10): Where it does get confusing is where the article claims that these cancellations (to use their words) came in the span of 7 days. While it would be unfortunate to say the least for Boeing to get cancellations from 8 customers in a week, I don't think that it takes 7 days to do the paperwork to transfer 8 aircraft from one customer to another either.
You would be surprised how long things take when legal departments get involved.
Eight days is rather fast. Everyone needs to watch out for their own interests and it takes awhile!