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First Airline To Serve Boston-Asia?  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4163 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11687 times:

Many U.S. cities offer nonstop service to/from Asia...but not Boston. With the 787 still 'off in the future,' is that the only hope for BOS? And if so, does that mean ANA or some other carrier? I'm in the camp of those who believe ANA will be the first at Boston.

And, yes, I know that Korean had their 747s going to Boston for awhile. But that was a tag-on for service to Dulles, so I discount it because of that.

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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 11602 times:

This has been discussed at lenght. I used to think BOS did not have enough mojo for a direct flight to Asia, but the Asian population is growing in every corner of the U.S, plus the ever growing economic influnce of Asia..

I think its just a matter of time before a flight is announced, and my opinion the top contender would be KAL to ICN, espcially if Delta continues to grow at BOS


User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11446 times:

If my memory serves me correctly, didn't El Al also serve Boston Logan at some point? perhaps in the 1990s?

If so, that would have been an Asian destination as Israel is geographically in Asia. I realize most people don't think of Israel as being in Asia but it is part of that continent.



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User currently offlinewatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11352 times:

iirc, KE used to serve BOS as a tag on. i can see them coming back with a 787 to tap into the local Korean + South East Asia-bound passengers.

User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11340 times:

Didn't AA apply/plan for BOS-NRT some years ago? Perhaps with an expanded JetBlue alliance in the coming years, we'll see some renewed interest.

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4163 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11341 times:

It really is too bad (and somewhat telling) that practically all the viable options are with foreign flag carriers...not our own.

User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11304 times:

But who was the first? Was it KE?

User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11293 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
It really is too bad (and somewhat telling) that practically all the viable options are with foreign flag carriers...not our own.

I agree. You would think with AA's (or DL) frequent flyer base in the Northeast, they could support at least a 5x per week flight. I know AA has pulled back in BOS, but as I said, if we see the expansion of the JetBlue alliance to include BOS, there should be sufficient traffic to support.


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11264 times:

If KE and DL ever go full JV, you might see DL...in 2020'when the 787s arrive.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11242 times:
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I think Hainan is clearly interested, but I also think they will wait until they get their 787s.

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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

I think KE - ICN is the best bet (as posted above). And as pointed out, it will probably take the 787. If/when DL builds up the BOS airport as a hub, then it would be more likely I think. However, with the many cities close to BOS I wonder if a route could be sustained.

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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4163 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11137 times:

I would think Delta, too, but they seem to have 'chosen' JFK instead (the 2x new LHR flights notwithstanding). Flying these days is nearly gruesome, what with the TSA 'mandates' and such. To that end, any carrier that gets people from Boston to Asia without switching in Detroit or JFK or wherever is going to win a TON of business. Just to avoid a change-of-planes is going to be a HUGE difference-maker to well-heeled passengers.

I believe that some carrier is going to come into Boston and all the others are going to say to themselves, 'Why didn't WE do what they did?"

[Edited 2010-11-13 09:12:30]

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10462 times:

Quoting Seatback (Reply 4):
Didn't AA apply/plan for BOS-NRT some years ago? Perhaps with an expanded JetBlue alliance in the coming years, we'll see some renewed interest.

Yes, they did, going so far as to sell tickets. This makes me wonder why no Asia service has been started already. Nobody would spend all that time and money on the route unless they thought it would be a success.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
It really is too bad (and somewhat telling) that practically all the viable options are with foreign flag carriers...not our own.

That's the downside of not being a hub for anyone, except for B6, and they're not doing that anytime soon. Incidently, they did say they were looking at it, but I doubt they will get any yet. BOS is right between Brazil and Asia, two good 787 routes that could capitalize on both local and connecting traffic, but we're not a hub so it won't happen anytime soon.



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User currently offlineChopChop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

It is incredible, the diversity of transatlantic service at BOS, but none over the pacific. The demand for service to Boston surely exist, otherwise, air France, lufthansa, alitalia, not to mention ba would route passengers through jfk or ewr.
Given bostons immense financial services industry and universities, the demand for Asia must exist in Boston. Maybe it's because the passengers can be routed through ord, sfo or lax. Still, it would be great to have seen Boston get nrt service. Interesting that AA sold tickets and then never flew the route.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9771 times:

They are so close to JFK when you think of a long route like this, that it hurts them.

An Asian carrier would have to see a large possibility in BOS to send another plane 12hrs+ to a destination 30 minutes flying time from the major east coast gateway to the Pacific.

On another note, if B6 could . . . they would!  


User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9628 times:

TWA's brief "round the world" flights served Boston rather than New York for a time (as 810 and 811 if memory serves), stopping eastbound (again, if memory serves) in Bombay, Colombo, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Taipei, and Guam after Europe.

User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9468 times:

Would it have anything to do with the 10,000 foot runways? It seems like any flight to Asia would be too heavy to take off full in that distance. You'd always have to take off light and stop in Anchorage.

User currently offlinejeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

With a lot of businesses hurting badly these days, I do not think you will see much growth in airline services to Asia from the US. China might see some growth, but that might be it. Of course I am just guessing, but look at airlines like JAL. They are not in good shape at all.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8450 times:
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Quoting BryanG (Reply 16):
Would it have anything to do with the 10,000 foot runways? It seems like any flight to Asia would be too heavy to take off full in that distance. You'd always have to take off light and stop in Anchorage.

10,000 feet should be enough for a 777 to make Tokyo or Seoul from Logan Airport. The runway in Cape Town, South Africa is 3200 meters and a 744 used to fly 7,700 miles nonstop all the way to Miami. There is nothing about Boston's airport that should prevent any airplane from taking off nonstop for any destination world wide.


User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

I have my fingers crossed that ANA sends a 787 here, and I'm not the only one. I think there must be enough BOS-NRT demand for that route to work, at least 3X a week if not daily. That kind of route is the whole point of the 787 program, right?

I sometimes hear there's a cargo flight to Japan from BOS, to ship out tuna. Is that true?


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8062 times:
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Didn't HU also express interest in serving the Beijing-BOS market at one time?

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
An Asian carrier would have to see a large possibility in BOS to send another plane 12hrs+ to a destination 30 minutes flying time from the major east coast gateway to the Pacific.

On the flip side, the first carrier to serve BOS is guaranteed a big chunk of the O&D market. The problem is, I don't think the O&D market is that big. IIRC, Boston's largest destinations in Asia are Japan and Hong Kong so I don't think a KE or DL service to ICN will happen. In my opinion if/when it happens, the fist Asian destination will be BOS-NRT. Either DL or ANA is a toss up. DL is proving that they are the US carrier willing to think outside the box, judging by their African expansion and they do have a hub in Narita and a significant customer base in New England.


User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4020 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

Indeed, KE was the first (aside from LY) and only Asian carrier to service BOS, if memory serves.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
They are so close to JFK when you think of a long route like this, that it hurts them.

An Asian carrier would have to see a large possibility in BOS to send another plane 12hrs+ to a destination 30 minutes flying time from the major east coast gateway to the Pacific.

On another note, if B6 could . . . they would!

That would be a valid argument, but remember that IAD has service to places that far away and they are only 30 minutes flying time from JFK also. And not all of them (KE for one) are *A.

You know, it's funny, until recently I never thought about how big the Pacific Ocean is. I've always wondered why, aside from the fact that the USA has greater ties to Europe, that the West Coast has substantially greater service to Europe than the East Coast does to Asia, and I realized that LAX-NRT is as far a distance as LAX-LHR! I knew the Pacific was bigger than the Atlantic, but not THAT much bigger!



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User currently offlineSpunker From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

I believe JAL ran a few 744 charters a few years back. Possibly for the Red Sox. I think 15R/33L is plenty long enough for an Asian nonstop.

25 ChrisNH : Boston may indeed be a 'thin' route for an Asian carrier, but that was the whole selling point of the 787...that it would be perfect for 'long, thin'
26 jeffrey1970 : Maybe Boston will get a 787, but it might not be for a flight to Asia.
27 jeffrey1970 : Now that I think about it I could maybe see an airline wanting to add flights from the US to India.
28 Fly2yyz : I could see KE coming back with an stop somewhere.... what could it be paired up with...ICN-BOS-XXX-ICN?
29 SQ452 : It's been ages since I have posted something on the boards here (over a year maybe???) but this is one route that is near and dear to me (family in Bo
30 AABB777 : What about one of the GCC carriers eventually serving BOS? EK, EY or QR? They sure have a lot of 787s, 350s, etc on order. Perhaps BOS could work?
31 airbazar : Even if that number is true for Asia, you have to consider that for a big chunk of Asia it doesn't make sense going West. India and the Middle East t
32 Post contains links PWM2TXLHopper : Yes, as recently as 2008. Non-stop to China air service from Logan advances | Boston Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2008/
33 Squid : If my memory serves correctly, AA applied for BOS to NRT before 9/11 when they were in a heavy BOS / NYC buildup phase in the N.E. It was going to ope
34 ChrisNH : I think (but could be wrong) that the choice of plane for that still-born AA service was going to be the MD-11.
35 Post contains links Ronen763 : Yes, KE did serve Boston back in the day (circa 2000). Flights were operated as KE 091/092, SEL-BOS-IAD-SEL. It seems like KE decided to drop BOS sho
36 apodino : My Money is on ANA. The market is ideal for an aircraft like the 787, as aircraft in service with similar range are just too big for this city pair, e
37 airbazar : DL could fly the route with an A332, or is that too far for it?
38 jfk777 : TOO Far for an A330-200. Almost 7000 miles from Boston to NRT.
39 mogandoCI : Atlantic is really small. JFK-LHR is only 6:30 eastbound (put that into perspective, JFK-SFO is 6:00-6:10 westbound) one my redeye flights to London,
40 MAH4546 : I assure you it is much higher than that. Miami-Asia is around 1,200 daily O&D, and Miami-Asia is a smaller market than Boston-Asia.
41 airbazar : Uh? BOS-NRT is about 5800nm and is a polar route (i.e. not as strong head winds). The A332 has a [still air?] max range of just over 7000nm. It shoul
42 PWM2TXLHopper : In statute miles that's 6,674. I assume that's what the poster meant by close to 7,000 sm? There's a lot of lobster, sea urchins, and other seafood f
43 jfk777 : Unless Usairways flies this route, unlikely, an A330-200 will not fly this route. Whatever airline or plane will have more margin in its range for a
44 CHRISBA777ER : I heard that too. NH i can see doing it, but given that it is a big B6 and AA hub, perhaps an AA codeshare to NRT with JL would do well. BOS is alrea
45 Post contains images gkirk : My guess would be Emirates with the A350
46 mogandoCI : it'll be the funniest cargo loads - lobsters westbound and salmon+yellowtail eastbound
47 CHRISBA777ER : Exactly. Could do well. I wonder if this is a route AA might look to stick a 789 on - holds a little more cargo than the 772ER I think, but has lower
48 airbazar : I have my doubts regarding it being a cargo heavy route. If that was the case, especially with expensive perishables like seafood we'd already have an
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