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1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12597 posts, RR: 34
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10753 times:

The 996th 767 was delivered on Friday, to JAL and since the remaining passenger 767s seem to be for ANA - and also given that the 787 may be further delayed, I was wondering if it might be possible to have a joint ceremony for the delivery of the two aircraft?

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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
I was wondering if it might be possible to have a joint ceremony for the delivery of the two aircraft?

I don't think the 787 is going anywhere for a while longer tbh. It's one of the NH 787s that was the one with the smoke/fire issue.


User currently offlineVHHYI From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 1):
It's one of the NH 787s that was the one with the smoke/fire issue.

NH colours, but (test) frames 1-6 are no longer going to airline customers.



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User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10626 times:

Quoting VHHYI (Reply 2):
but (test) frames 1-6 are no longer going to airline customers

I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10602 times:

Quoting VHHYI (Reply 2):
NH colours, but (test) frames 1-6 are no longer going to airline customers.

regardless, I think they could have quite a number of 767s in the time it'll take to get 1 787 delivered...


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10464 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
The 996th 767 was delivered on Friday, to JAL

Wasn't it ANA?


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

With the 787 being revolutionary and all, "Dreamliner" etc., it would be a little bit strange to make a joint ceremony with a 767, me thinks.

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 3):
I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?

Future VIP customers if I'm not mistaken.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9317 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 3):
I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?

Future VIP customers if I'm not mistaken.

Correct, and ZA-001, ZA-002, and ZA-003 will stay with Boeing. ZA-004 is a RR Trent-1000 airplane while ZA-005 and ZA-006 are equipped with GEnx-1B engines


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Wasn't it ANA?

Correct.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38619847@N05/5121572848/

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...7/history/20101113/0200Z/KPAE/RJTT



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User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Why is ZA002, and ZA003 remaining with Boeing? For example, with the 747 program, Boeing kept RA001, but the other 4 test frames, were refurbished and went on to spend their lives in airline service (If I remember correctly, they were all Pan Am birds).

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 9):
Why is ZA002, and ZA003 remaining with Boeing?

From Boeing's 2010 Q2 earnings report:
"During 2009, we concluded that the first three flight-test 787 aircraft could not be sold as previously anticipated due to the inordinate amount of rework and unique and extensive modifications made to those aircraft. As a result, costs associated with these aircraft were included in research and development expense. We believe that the other three additional 787 flight test aircraft are commercially saleable and we continue to include costs related to those aircraft in program inventory at June 30, 2010. "

Tom.


User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 10):

Thanks...so it seems as though Boeing modified the airplanes so much that they are no longer fit for airline use.

Once the program is over, I sense these aircraft will be cut up and used as static fatigue test frames?


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 11):
so it seems as though Boeing modified the airplanes so much that they are no longer fit for airline use.

I read it as "we can't profitably make them fit for airline use", but I think that's basically the same thing.

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 11):
Once the program is over, I sense these aircraft will be cut up and used as static fatigue test frames?

They already have a static & fatigue test frame, so I don't think they have any specific need. I'm sure lots of engineers will be drooling over the pieces for studies for years to come.

Tom.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15834 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 12):
I read it as "we can't profitably make them fit for airline use", but I think that's basically the same thing.

It may not be that the modifications themselves make the planes unsuitable, but the costs of certifying three oddball planes isn't worth it.



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