kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11948 posts, RR: 37 Posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9947 times:
The 996th 767 was delivered on Friday, to JAL and since the remaining passenger 767s seem to be for ANA - and also given that the 787 may be further delayed, I was wondering if it might be possible to have a joint ceremony for the delivery of the two aircraft?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8511 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 6): Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 3):
I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?
Future VIP customers if I'm not mistaken.
Correct, and ZA-001, ZA-002, and ZA-003 will stay with Boeing. ZA-004 is a RR Trent-1000 airplane while ZA-005 and ZA-006 are equipped with GEnx-1B engines
Northwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2517 times:
Why is ZA002, and ZA003 remaining with Boeing? For example, with the 747 program, Boeing kept RA001, but the other 4 test frames, were refurbished and went on to spend their lives in airline service (If I remember correctly, they were all Pan Am birds).
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 9): Why is ZA002, and ZA003 remaining with Boeing?
From Boeing's 2010 Q2 earnings report:
"During 2009, we concluded that the first three flight-test 787 aircraft could not be sold as previously anticipated due to the inordinate amount of rework and unique and extensive modifications made to those aircraft. As a result, costs associated with these aircraft were included in research and development expense. We believe that the other three additional 787 flight test aircraft are commercially saleable and we continue to include costs related to those aircraft in program inventory at June 30, 2010. "
Northwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2107 times:
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1752 times:
Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 11): so it seems as though Boeing modified the airplanes so much that they are no longer fit for airline use.
I read it as "we can't profitably make them fit for airline use", but I think that's basically the same thing.
Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 11): Once the program is over, I sense these aircraft will be cut up and used as static fatigue test frames?
They already have a static & fatigue test frame, so I don't think they have any specific need. I'm sure lots of engineers will be drooling over the pieces for studies for years to come.
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