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Air Berlin To Launch Flights To LGW  
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Hi guys, today AB announced to offer HAJ-LGW and NUE-LGW starting 7 Feb 2011, replacing the respective two daily STN flights. STN flights to DUS, FMO and PAD will remain.
I quite expected this step as a measure towards joining oneworld. But don't you think that LGW-Berlin will also become necessary then (even though the strong competition from FR/U2)?

edit: source http://www.airberlin.com/site/pressnews_dr.php?ID=2556&LANG=eng

--Tobias--

[Edited 2010-11-16 06:01:49]


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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

Longer term would not surprise me if all the Air Berlin flights operated into LGW but lack of slots
may delay this. Presume the flights will operate to/from the North Terminal.



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User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 1):
Presume the flights will operate to/from the North Terminal.

I would expect so, along with Oneworld partners BA and Malev who are already based there.

Any idea on who the ground handler will be?

I understand they use Servisair in Stanstead at the moment, however Swissport handle Malev at Gatwick and BA have their own handling.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 1):
Presume the flights will operate to/from the North Terminal.

It will be LGW's North Terminal. Presume that BA will be the handling agent ?


User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 3):
Presume that BA will be the handling agent ?

I am not sure that they will. They recently gave a chunk, about 1/4 of the check in area, over to Delta in Zone D, I would not have thought they have the desk space.

There are of course the extensions currently being built, but I am not sure of the intended layout once these are complete.


User currently offlinebagmanlgw From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5759 times:

Tender process has gone out to all handlers at Gatwick, how ever i understand that British Airways have no plans to do any more 3rd party handling with the exception of Air Southwest
Check in Zone in North Terminal will depend on the winning handler I suspect
Menzies Zone E
Servisair Zone F
Swissport B or D

Tender process was for 27 flights per week , so expect them soon to announce TXL as well

Hope fully all flights will transferFrom STN giving an operation of around 60 flights a week


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5601 times:

I think BA should start sharing codes with AB as soon as they relocate more flights at LGW to counter U2.

I guess BA can still expand at LGW if they can get the partners to increase flights. I can see S7 operating to DME and some other CIS cities. Niki can also start a route to VIE. This way a route to NA like JFK can be added by BA or AA for the people living south of London and also all those connecting passengers from partners.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 5443 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
This way a route to NA like JFK can be added by BA or AA for the people living south of London and also all those connecting passengers from partners

In what respect......people living south of London have currently no difficulty in flying to North America, so of what significance is it to them that you see about Air Berlin flying to LGW?


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
I think BA should start sharing codes with AB as soon as they relocate more flights at LGW to counter U2.

When it was announced that AB would join Oneworld, it was said that AB and BA would codeshare so I guess these routes will be codeshared in time.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 8):
When it was announced that AB would join Oneworld, it was said that AB and BA would codeshare so I guess these routes will be codeshared in time.

We all know that BA is not found of sharing codes and I would not hold my breath there. I mean BA is not sharing codes with RJ nor S7 which is a bit strange.



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 7):
people living south of London have currently no difficulty in flying to North America, so of what significance is it to them that you see about Air Berlin flying to LGW?

I think he meant that with more feed, a return of LGW-JFK may be viable once again. And it's MUCH easier for ppl who to live to the South of London (like me) to get to LGW than LHR, or any other airport in fact.


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
We all know that BA is not found of sharing codes and I would not hold my breath there. I mean BA is not sharing codes with RJ nor S7 which is a bit strange.

Well it was officially confirmed in both announcements when AB and S7 joined, that codeshares are forthcoming. I don't know about RJ, but I understand there may be specific issues.

I don't think it's fair to say its not fond of sharing codes. It has plenty of codesharing arrangements, but as a business it is only going to enter into codeshares when it is commercially beneficial.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
We all know that BA is not found of sharing codes and I would not hold my breath there. I mean BA is not sharing codes with RJ nor S7 which is a bit strange.

Umm, yes it is. There are quiet a few RJ codes on BA flights. S7 codes will start shortly


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Thread starter):
But don't you think that LGW-Berlin will also become necessary then (even though the strong competition from FR/U2)?

Maybe it will happen in due course, but BA can cover LON-BER traffic for AB once they start codesharing

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
I think BA should start sharing codes with AB as soon as they relocate more flights at LGW to counter U2.

I guess BA can still expand at LGW if they can get the partners to increase flights. I can see S7 operating to DME and some other CIS cities. Niki can also start a route to VIE. This way a route to NA like JFK can be added by BA or AA for the people living south of London and also all those connecting passengers from partners.

But why would AB send a NUE-JFK passenger (for example) through LGW when they can send them through DUS on their own metal? At the moment at least, AB are not in a transatlantic ATI agreement with BA. So the BA connections at Gatwick may well be useful for passengers wishing to access Carribean destinations not served by AB, or for say NUE-EDI customers, but where possible it's in AB's interest to route passengers via it's hubs, on it's metal, and not Gatwick to reach onward destinations. And similarly for Niki, AB as a key shareholder in Niki wants VIE-MIA passengers (for example) travelling transatlantically on AB, not BA

With regards to S7, for BA at least, why route a passenger say DME-LGW(on S7) LGW-JFK(on BA) when they could go DME-LHR-JFK on BA all the way? I'm not saying S7 won't serve Gatwick, but if they do it isn't suddenly going to change the prospects for LGW-JFK returning. And I doubt a Russian airline would be allowed to fly from the CIS countries to the UK

Ultimately Gatwick is an important leisure focus for BA, particularly long haul. And a lot of that is local traffic, not connections. Sure connections help, but it seems unlikely they will be a major part of the Gatwick business anytime again. It's a shame there is no LGW-NYC, but some flights from HAJ and NUE aren't going to change that



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