Tobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 643 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4874 times:
Hi guys, today AB announced to offer HAJ-LGW and NUE-LGW starting 7 Feb 2011, replacing the respective two daily STN flights. STN flights to DUS, FMO and PAD will remain.
I quite expected this step as a measure towards joining oneworld. But don't you think that LGW-Berlin will also become necessary then (even though the strong competition from FR/U2)?
acelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4843 times:
Longer term would not surprise me if all the Air Berlin flights operated into LGW but lack of slots
may delay this. Presume the flights will operate to/from the North Terminal.
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planesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 802 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 3): Presume that BA will be the handling agent ?
I am not sure that they will. They recently gave a chunk, about 1/4 of the check in area, over to Delta in Zone D, I would not have thought they have the desk space.
There are of course the extensions currently being built, but I am not sure of the intended layout once these are complete.
bagmanlgw From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
Tender process has gone out to all handlers at Gatwick, how ever i understand that British Airways have no plans to do any more 3rd party handling with the exception of Air Southwest
Check in Zone in North Terminal will depend on the winning handler I suspect
Menzies Zone E
Servisair Zone F
Swissport B or D
Tender process was for 27 flights per week , so expect them soon to announce TXL as well
Hope fully all flights will transferFrom STN giving an operation of around 60 flights a week
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2365 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
I think BA should start sharing codes with AB as soon as they relocate more flights at LGW to counter U2.
I guess BA can still expand at LGW if they can get the partners to increase flights. I can see S7 operating to DME and some other CIS cities. Niki can also start a route to VIE. This way a route to NA like JFK can be added by BA or AA for the people living south of London and also all those connecting passengers from partners.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6): This way a route to NA like JFK can be added by BA or AA for the people living south of London and also all those connecting passengers from partners
In what respect......people living south of London have currently no difficulty in flying to North America, so of what significance is it to them that you see about Air Berlin flying to LGW?
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2365 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3736 times:
Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 8): When it was announced that AB would join Oneworld, it was said that AB and BA would codeshare so I guess these routes will be codeshared in time.
We all know that BA is not found of sharing codes and I would not hold my breath there. I mean BA is not sharing codes with RJ nor S7 which is a bit strange.
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1239 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3734 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 7): people living south of London have currently no difficulty in flying to North America, so of what significance is it to them that you see about Air Berlin flying to LGW?
I think he meant that with more feed, a return of LGW-JFK may be viable once again. And it's MUCH easier for ppl who to live to the South of London (like me) to get to LGW than LHR, or any other airport in fact.
LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 740 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3703 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9): We all know that BA is not found of sharing codes and I would not hold my breath there. I mean BA is not sharing codes with RJ nor S7 which is a bit strange.
Well it was officially confirmed in both announcements when AB and S7 joined, that codeshares are forthcoming. I don't know about RJ, but I understand there may be specific issues.
I don't think it's fair to say its not fond of sharing codes. It has plenty of codesharing arrangements, but as a business it is only going to enter into codeshares when it is commercially beneficial.
lhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3698 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9): We all know that BA is not found of sharing codes and I would not hold my breath there. I mean BA is not sharing codes with RJ nor S7 which is a bit strange.
Umm, yes it is. There are quiet a few RJ codes on BA flights. S7 codes will start shortly
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3651 times:
Quoting Tobias2702 (Thread starter): But don't you think that LGW-Berlin will also become necessary then (even though the strong competition from FR/U2)?
Maybe it will happen in due course, but BA can cover LON-BER traffic for AB once they start codesharing
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6): I think BA should start sharing codes with AB as soon as they relocate more flights at LGW to counter U2.
I guess BA can still expand at LGW if they can get the partners to increase flights. I can see S7 operating to DME and some other CIS cities. Niki can also start a route to VIE. This way a route to NA like JFK can be added by BA or AA for the people living south of London and also all those connecting passengers from partners.
But why would AB send a NUE-JFK passenger (for example) through LGW when they can send them through DUS on their own metal? At the moment at least, AB are not in a transatlantic ATI agreement with BA. So the BA connections at Gatwick may well be useful for passengers wishing to access Carribean destinations not served by AB, or for say NUE-EDI customers, but where possible it's in AB's interest to route passengers via it's hubs, on it's metal, and not Gatwick to reach onward destinations. And similarly for Niki, AB as a key shareholder in Niki wants VIE-MIA passengers (for example) travelling transatlantically on AB, not BA
With regards to S7, for BA at least, why route a passenger say DME-LGW(on S7) LGW-JFK(on BA) when they could go DME-LHR-JFK on BA all the way? I'm not saying S7 won't serve Gatwick, but if they do it isn't suddenly going to change the prospects for LGW-JFK returning. And I doubt a Russian airline would be allowed to fly from the CIS countries to the UK
Ultimately Gatwick is an important leisure focus for BA, particularly long haul. And a lot of that is local traffic, not connections. Sure connections help, but it seems unlikely they will be a major part of the Gatwick business anytime again. It's a shame there is no LGW-NYC, but some flights from HAJ and NUE aren't going to change that
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