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EU Approves NG Aircraft Subsidy  
User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Good news for Fokker fans. The EU has approved the 20 million euro subsidy for NG aircraft.

Sorry link only in Dutch: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=37055

In the article managing director of NG aircraft Maarten van Eeghen is quoted as follows; "This is an important step forwards for the Fokker Next Generation. With this approval the program gets recognition for its unique innovative 'green' character of the Fokker Next Generation"

If it is 'green' enough airlines just might decide to buy it. I hope to see the program succeed but I remain a bit sceptical. There is a lot of competition out there and they are essentially a new company.

On a more positive note we will probably see at least one of these Fokker 100 NG aircraft fly as the subsidy is going to allow them to convert the original Fokker 100 prototype to NG standards.

They also want to develop an 85 and 130 seat variant so that would help with the saleability of the aircraft. More flexibility on a single type rating for pilots.

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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Wow this is indeed great news!!! I love the Fokkers, it's always such a pleasure to fly on them!!

When might they start buidling them again?
I understand that KLM would probably want to convert their Fokkers to the NGs but will they be interested in getting new ones now that they are getting the Embraers?


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

KLM new ones, no.
Other companies accept Iran etc is also a no no. rekkof have been talking and talking for ten years nothing has nor will come from it.

The few customers it once had lined up have already made their fleet decisions, so Fokker has an enormous uphill id even call it a dead horse.
In general Fokker was a great aircraft but as our late Australian member, bless him, found out from a whole bunch of phonecalls 5 years ago it has and had even at that time zero chance of being reborn.

Sad it was one of my favourite planes but time just like age was never on its side.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3034 times:
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Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 2):
KLM new ones, no.
Other companies accept Iran etc is also a no no. rekkof have been talking and talking for ten years nothing has nor will come from it.

The few customers it once had lined up have already made their fleet decisions, so Fokker has an enormous uphill id even call it a dead horse.
In general Fokker was a great aircraft but as our late Australian member, bless him, found out from a whole bunch of phonecalls 5 years ago it has and had even at that time zero chance of being reborn.

Sad it was one of my favourite planes but time just like age was never on its side.

With this industry...never say "never."


User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 2):
In general Fokker was a great aircraft but as our late Australian member, bless him, found out from a whole bunch of phonecalls 5 years ago it has and had even at that time zero chance of being reborn.

I think you underestimate the intelligence of a lot of people with remarks like that.. You don't actually think that 20 million euro's and a lot of money from private investors is given to a project without ANY chance to sustain? It is your perfect right to be sceptical, so am I, but it is rather foolish for us to think we know more than those actually involved in this project..


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

But then who would be the potential buyers? A lot of airlines that needed this kind of plane have already received or made orders with Embraer and Bombardier...

User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
But then who would be the potential buyers? A lot of airlines that needed this kind of plane have already received or made orders with Embraer and Bombardier...

Good question, I am sceptical about its succes aswell.. however I am sure those guys participating in this project have a lot more info and insight on this matter than we do.. No one will just build/modify an airliner just for the sake of it and without studying the market and contacting potential buyers.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting PH-BFA (Reply 6):
Good question, I am sceptical about its succes aswell.. however I am sure those guys participating in this project have a lot more info and insight on this matter than we do.. No one will just build/modify an airliner just for the sake of it and without studying the market and contacting potential buyers.

I was very happy to hear that they are trying to bring Fokker back to life at a dinner a few years back in Amsterdam, so I really hope that it will come true.
The only airline in Europe at least, that could be a potential buyer is Austrian. Especially the 65 version to replace their Canadair's which were removed from the fleet some time ago.

Let's wait and see and hope for the best!


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting bj87 (Thread starter):
Good news for Fokker fans. The EU has approved the 20 million euro subsidy for NG aircraft.

Your quote/translation is incorrect !
The Dutch government received approval for a 20 miilion loan from the EU.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
I understand that KLM would probably want to convert their Fokkers to the NGs

There is no talking with KL.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 2):
In general Fokker was a great aircraft but as our late Australian member, bless him, found out from a whole bunch of phonecalls 5 years ago it has and had even at that time zero chance of being reborn.

Do you call GM to ask what kind of new they have on the drawing board and expecting an answer ?
Our late Aussie member was wrong 5 years ago and he would have been wrong today.

Quoting PH-BFA (Reply 6):
No one will just build/modify an airliner just for the sake of it and without studying the market and contacting potential buyers.

Something I tried to explain for the last 5 years or so.
The whole project started because customers asked for it, not the other way around.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
I was very happy to hear that they are trying to bring Fokker back to life at a dinner a few years back in Amsterdam, so I really hope that it will come true.

It has nothing to do with bringing Fokker back to life, with involvement in about 70 different aircraft types Fokker is alive and kicking.
The NG will be build by NG Aircraft.

edit:
here is the official Rekkof press release in English.
http://www.honders.net/tmp/Rekkof_press_release.pdf

[Edited 2010-11-17 11:23:08]


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