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CO Announces New Service: ORD-FLL/PBI & DEN-FLL  
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Looks like the integration is starting to begin. CO will begin new service on 17 Feb 2011 from key UA hubs...
ORD-FLL, ORD-PBI and DEN-FLL.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Contin...es-prnews-3677443534.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2246 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

United1 beat you by 2 seconds.


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinemcmax From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

Interesting that CO is operating the flights from UA hubs in DEN and ORD. I wonder why UA isn't operating these new flights. Could it be that CO labor rates are still lower than UA right now? If this is the case, I can't imagine UA unions being too happy about it, and that this may be a sign of things to come.


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User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8219 times:

Nice Adds! Wonder if more cities will be added to those cities IAD, out west to LAX & SFO

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8186 times:

Quoting mcmax (Reply 2):
nteresting that CO is operating the flights from UA hubs in DEN and ORD. I wonder why UA isn't operating these new flights. Could it be that CO labor rates are still lower than UA right now?

PBI and FLL are both CO stations and are not staffed with UA employees...as all UA flights (that operate more then 5 months a year) have to be handled by UA employees they can't operate UA mainline into the station without bringing UA mainline employees on board. Also CO has more slack in their narrow body fleet then UA does right now.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 1):
United1 beat you by 2 seconds.

Actually global beat me by two seconds... 



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8113 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):

Cheers!  



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Quoting mcmax (Reply 2):
Interesting that CO is operating the flights from UA hubs in DEN and ORD. I wonder why UA isn't operating these new flights. Could it be that CO labor rates are still lower than UA right now? If this is the case, I can't imagine UA unions being too happy about it, and that this may be a sign of things to come.

same reason why post-DL/NW merger but pre-SOC, new DL still offered JFK-NRT but on NW flight number (because old NW owned the route authority)

all this is just transitional... they'll disappear by SOC

also, UA/CO flights are now showing up as seamless when you search on either of their websites (but the huge annoyance is that a UA-operated flight but booked under CO code-share flight number is NOT eligible for unlimited upgrades by CO onepass elites)


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6):
(but the huge annoyance is that a UA-operated flight but booked under CO code-share flight number is NOT eligible for unlimited upgrades by CO onepass elites)

This is not true. UA and CO elites now have fully reciprocal upgrade privileges on domestic, Caribbean, Latin America, and Canada routes. Automatic upgrades were supposed to take effect last week. A CO elite will be handled according to his status at CO on a CO-operated flight, regardless of codeshare.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7870 times:

Surprising they also didn't add IAD-FLL/PBI

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Thread starter):
DEN-FLL.

That might not be a "new" service. Didn't CO fly DEN-FLL when they had a hub in DEN?



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 7):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6):
(but the huge annoyance is that a UA-operated flight but booked under CO code-share flight number is NOT eligible for unlimited upgrades by CO onepass elites)

This is not true. UA and CO elites now have fully reciprocal upgrade privileges on domestic, Caribbean, Latin America, and Canada routes. Automatic upgrades were supposed to take effect last week. A CO elite will be handled according to his status at CO on a CO-operated flight, regardless of codeshare.

not what the UA rep told me over the phone just last week.... so either there's a huge gap in policy, or someone needs to better train those reps who give out inaccurate information (he even confirmed with his supervisor)

i was booked on UA-operated flight but booked under CO 68xx flight number and when i called UA they said nope


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8329 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7814 times:
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What took them so long, Unied flew those route until just a few years ago.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 8):
Surprising they also didn't add IAD-FLL/PBI

Overdue. Not sure why these routes from IAD were not announced. To me DEN-FLL is rather surprising. When was the last time UA operated this route?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
What took them so long, Unied flew those route until just a few years ago.

UA stopped flying to PBI/FLL in 2007. With CO much stronger than UA at these airports, it makes sense for them to connect the dots to the UA hubs flying their own metal.



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User currently offlineCOGlobeTrotter From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

A little off topic but does anybody know if it's possible for CO to expand the Presidents Club at FLL and if so will they? At current flight levels the club is typically full, I can't imagine what it will be like with the addition of a few more flights.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):

not what the UA rep told me over the phone just last week.... so either there's a huge gap in policy, or someone needs to better train those reps who give out inaccurate information (he even confirmed with his supervisor)

i was booked on UA-operated flight but booked under CO 68xx flight number and when i called UA they said nope

I have indeed received upgrades on UA as a CO elite on several occasions under exactly the circumstances as you describe. You should automatically appear on the standby list for an upgrade if it does not clear by itself in advance.

It is entirely conceivable that agents (especially at ICCs) are not fully informed of the reciprocity between UA or CO, or were confused by the codeshare.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2615 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Surpised this wasn't added earlier to pick up holiday traffic. However, great to see the additions from CO cities to the ORD hub.

It looks like 2/17/11 will be a big day of additions at FLL. Maybe CLE is seasonal.
FLL-CLE from 1 to 3 RTs
FLL-ORD from 0 to 2 RTs
FLL-DEN from 0 to 1 RT
FLL-EWR stays at 7 RTs
FLL-IAH stays at 5 RTs

Total goes from 13 flights to 18 at FLL (I pulled up a Thursday operation)

The CLE flights allow for the negative turns on the ORD operation.

Anyone know what CO will do with the 1538 arrival from PBI (shown leaving the next day at 0830 to PBI).


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

Nice to see United/CO in the fray and competing on these routes.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
I have indeed received upgrades on UA as a CO elite on several occasions under exactly the circumstances as you describe. You should automatically appear on the standby list for an upgrade if it does not clear by itself in advance.

It is entirely conceivable that agents (especially at ICCs) are not fully informed of the reciprocity between UA or CO, or were confused by the codeshare.

luckily my home base is already NYC/EWR so the need to be on UA metal (other than p.s.) should be small

At the same time, my chances to clear on UA is much lower (other than the fact that UA's plane have low F except 752) :

UA clearing order:
GS, 1K, PE, CO Plat, CO Gold mier

on a sidenote, a quick search in Apr 2011 reveals 14 (!!!) daily nonstops between NYC (EWR+JFK) and SFO (compare that to a measly 5x daily on AA)


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Hopefully they will add more flights to MIA. United used to have a small (South American) hub there and now is almost gone. FLL flights were switched to TED before they were cancelled completely. AA has only one daily to FLL. One would expect B6 to enter that market as well.

User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
What took them so long, Unied flew those route until just a few years ago.

United had up to 3 flights a day between FLL and ORD, and at most 2 PBI-ORD's. In the winter time, it wasn't unusual for these to be 757s, and packed to the gills too.

During the "off" season, UA would do 2 flights FLL-ORD and only 1 PBI-ORD. The PBI station was among one of the most senior in the system, and its only saving grace was they ground handled Air Canada (which had up to 4 flts a day).

When TED came into the picture, UA also started FLL-DEN. And that also started the demise of the FLL/PBI stations.



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User currently offlinedutchflyboi From Netherlands, joined Apr 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Quoting mcmax (Reply 2):
Could it be that CO labor rates are still lower than UA right now? If this is the case, I can't imagine UA unions being too happy about it, and that this may be a sign of things to come.

CO's pay scales are higher than UA


User currently offlinemavericiceman From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

It's not just CO that is starting flights out of a UA hub. UA is doing the same thing in CO's hubs. UAX is starting service IAH-ASE and IAH-BFL next year. It all depends on who has the ground handlers in the out stations.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 18):
Hopefully they will add more flights to MIA.

Well, MIA-DEN returns year-round December 16th.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 18):
AA has only one daily to FLL.

2x daily 738; increasing to 3x daily next month.



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

Quoting mcmax (Reply 2):
Interesting that CO is operating the flights from UA hubs in DEN and ORD. I wonder why UA isn't operating these new flights. Could it be that CO labor rates are still lower than UA right now? If this is the case, I can't imagine UA unions being too happy about it, and that this may be a sign of things to come.

CO has the aircraft available to run the routes. This has nothing to do with who's getting paid what, or which contract is more favorable. UA does not have much (if any) flexibility in its short-haul fleet. CO, on the other hand, has new aircraft arriving every month.



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User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Quoting dutchflyboi (Reply 20):
CO's pay scales are higher than UA

That's not an entirely accurate reply. CO pay rates are higher, but UA's total cockpit cost hourly cost is higher than CO's.

For 2007, on a cost per block hour basis (data provided courtesy of MIT), CAL ($547) lags behind United ($613).

[Edited 2010-11-17 20:01:18]

[Edited 2010-11-17 20:01:50]


My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
25 laca773 : Will CO-UA utilize 73H/739s on these new routes?
26 John : CORRECTION: UA ended service to PBI and FLL in September 2008, not 2007.
27 drerx7 : Yes
28 United1 : It's a mix of -800 and -900ER aircraft. ORD-FLL is double daily with -800s ORD-PBI is once a day with -900ER DEN-FLL is once a day with -900ER
29 TOMMY767 : IMHO a sign of things to come? DEN becoming a 737-800/900 base?
30 njdevilsin03 : You kinda had to see this coming, def made my night when I came home and saw this. Would be interesting to see if Dulles is announced eventually and m
31 United1 : I'm sure eventualy that will occur but I would put money on SFO/LAX/IAD getting 737 bases before DEN... IAD might be doable on RJs but I would think
32 N9801F : Notice that the ORD-FLL schedule could not be flown as a "turn" by a Chicago-based plane. In other words, the aircraft must be routed something like
33 CALPSAFltSkeds : The ORD-FLL routings involve new CLE-FLL flights. All 738 equipment on the below: CLE 0745 FLL 1045-1135 ORD 1340-1435 FLL 1835-1930 CLE 2218 ORD 085
34 panam330 : If they can manage multiple daily 757s and A32S to MCO, they can manage a mainline sized aircraft to the much more populated, higher-yield South Flor
35 N9801F : Yes, good. It saves you from a way-early ORD-FLL, etc. (Off topic, do you remember the CO 72S wearing a modified PSA livery?)
36 Post contains links Schweigend : Right you are. I just did a quick check of the old CAL timetable from 30 Oct 94 at the wonderful website http://www.departedflights.com and found tha
37 Post contains images PacificClipper : Adding service to FL helps fill a huge void in the PMUA route system so this is great news! From your keyboard to the VP of Route Planning's eyes and
38 Schweigend : E+ may well appear on new Boeing Sky 737 deliveries.
39 windy95 : Because CAL is taking Delivery of new 737's so we can add new routes. United is not It is not slack it is receiving new Aircraft.
40 hiflyer : Still seasonal as of now with UA metal Heard there was a 'suspicion' that the closure by UA of PBI and FLL and attempted at MIA was so that CO would
41 CALPSAFltSkeds : The addition of FLL routes with CO aircraft was listed above due to the fact that UA would need staff at FLL. So, IAD service would also need to be CO
42 drerx7 : Well that explains it...UA initially had scheduled IAH-IAD all 752...now it looks like at times 1 752 and all CO 738 with the odd UAx and COex. So CO
43 KDCA : 763 is Bears related
44 N9801F : Cool website - thank you for pointing this out - somehow missed that one. Yes - to hit the IAD bank you want to do something like FLL-IAD 1330-1600 a
45 hiflyer : FYI what you see are flights with great timings for arriving into port cruise customers and the 1230 arrival from ORD is perfect to hit the ships depa
46 United1 : Its both....CO has more slack in its existing fleet and has new deliveries coming online as well. MIA was kept as mainline due to an agreement that t
47 hiflyer : I do...grin...which is why the mainline employees were kept for an Express operation. As I said it will all be moot quite soon with the merger.
48 MAH4546 : Hmm, that's true now. It was loaded year-round about 3-4 weeks ago.
49 hiflyer : Probably will be but with CO metal and no UA employees down the road....believe the word is 'ordained'...grin
50 CIDflyer : I would assume these planes with be flying under the UNITED titles? Does anyone know how far along they are in the process of converting the CO aircra
51 globaldude : The flights will be on whatever plane painted with CO or UA on the outside that is routed on those pairing on any given day...these are CONTINENTAL r
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