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KLM To Offer Improved Business Class Product?  
User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

I read in an article on NU.nl that KLM will invest more money in improving is premium product. Due to the increase in demand for premium seats KLM will contract de Librije (3 star Michelin restaurant in NL) to offer new recipes for its business class meals and the amenity kits will be improved and redesigned. Furthermore new tableware will be introduced.

The interesting part was that they also stated that there will be new, full reclinable seats introduced in the fleet. I was wondering if anyone had some more info about this? Will these seats be smiliar to the new AF business class seats?

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

Quoting PH-BFA (Thread starter):
The interesting part was that they also stated that there will be new, full reclinable seats introduced in the fleet. I was wondering if anyone had some more info about this? Will these seats be smiliar to the new AF business class seats?

It's logical that KL would follow AF with a similar design of J class seat. But note that the new AF seats do not fully recline. They are angled lie-flat.

The only European carriers offering flat bed seats on all their long-haul flights are BA and VS.


User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
The only European carriers offering flat bed seats on all their long-haul flights are BA and VS.

...and of course the NEW A330-300 Business class seat on SWISS!!!!    



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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting chootie (Reply 2):
...and of course the NEW A330-300 Business class seat on SWISS!!!!

Which means NOT on all their flights, so in that respect VS and BA "win".



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2284 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 3):
Which means NOT on all their flights, so in that respect VS and BA "win".

In half a year from now, it will be on all their intercontinental flights.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5813 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
In half a year from now, it will be on all their intercontinental flights.

Half a year from now is still half a year away......  


User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4843 times:

Interesting! Is there any indication that KL is planning to more closely align business class with AF? After all, there is no longer any particular need to keep the business class product aligned with NW, which no longer exists.


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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
But note that the new AF seats do not fully recline. They are angled lie-flat.

Well, strictly speaking the current KL seats are not flat at all. But I don't really know what "fully recline" means (nor for that matter what the original Dutch was).

Quoting cws818 (Reply 6):
Is there any indication that KL is planning to more closely align business class with AF?

I have no particular reason to think so, I don't really see any other KL in-flight products as being closely aligned with AF. Look at Economy Comfort vs. Premium Voyageur, they could hardly be more different.



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User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

In the article I read, the translation of the dutch words were 'totally flat'.. We'll see what happens!

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
The only European carriers offering flat bed seats on all their long-haul flights are BA and VS.

SWISS is refurbishing all their A 340 with the fully flat business class seats till 2011. As the 333 already have them and all 332 will be phased out they will offer flat bed seats on all their long-haul fleet.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting cws818 (Reply 6):
Interesting! Is there any indication that KL is planning to more closely align business class with AF? After all, there is no longer any particular need to keep the business class product aligned with NW, which no longer exists.

AF and KLM have both been far too slow on the uptake in business class. Many carriers like BA/IB/VS have had fully flat beds for ages. The fact that they are only introducing angled lie flat seats now speaks for itself. Why they have never introduced fully flat beds until now is a mistery especially since KL don't have F.


User currently offlineLAX888 From Singapore, joined Oct 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Since when does IB have fully flat seats? They are angled lie flat if I remember correctly.

User currently offlineKLM777300ER From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Yep, I flew IB longhaul business on an A343 MAD-IAD not long ago, and it is indeed angled lie flat. Nothing was flat about those seats.

User currently offlineLAX888 From Singapore, joined Oct 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Doesn't AZ have fully flat seats on their new A332?

User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Given that KL has no First, hopefly they'll go full flat a la DL, UA, et al. It's rapidly becoming the industry standard for J.

User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 11):
Since when does IB have fully flat seats? They are angled lie flat if I remember correctly.

Since "earlier" this year Business Plus seats are now fully lie flat. 1 complete row of Business Plus seats was removed in order for the Business Plus seats to become fully lie flat. Same seat as before, just fully flat now.

Quoting KLM777300ER (Reply 12):
Yep, I flew IB longhaul business on an A343 MAD-IAD not long ago, and it is indeed angled lie flat. Nothing was flat about those seats.

See above...



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User currently offlineKL838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

I really do hope they get fully flat seats, as the current product is getting quite dated. Hopefully AirFrance won't hold KLM behind so they could have a better product.

User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

What they have to do is improve the Simba lounge in NBO with the partner KQ, It´s tiny always full..... even people standing waiting for flights to leave, then you realize that everybody is going with you to AMS and you have to wait 2 hours there.....

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 14):
Given that KL has no First, hopefly they'll go full flat a la DL, UA, et al.

What you say is true but I wouldn't count on it happening. That is because KL cannot be seen to upstage its partner AF. The latter's new seats are expected to see service for quite a few more years yet.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 10):
Why they have never introduced fully flat beds until now is a mistery especially since KL don't have F.

It's because fully flat bed seating costs more money and because AF/KL do not face much business class competition from other mainland European carriers. Yes, Swiss has begun to install fully flat beds but look at the size of its long-haul network compared with that of AF/KL.


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