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Air China Buys 10 A350 XWB  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10188 times:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Air-Ch...-buying-20-apf-2024217282.html?x=0

From the article:

BEIJING (AP) -- Air China Ltd., one of China's three major state-owned airlines, announced Thursday it is buying 20 Airbus planes in a move to expand its fleet.

The airline said in a statement to the Hong Kong stock exchange that it has agreed to purchase 10 Airbus 330-series and 10 Airbus 350-series planes.

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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

Good to see another A350 customer, and of course, the A330 continues to solidify its position as the leading widebody in China.

No specific models cited as yet; I would have thought that -900s would seem most likely?


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

hedging their bets by ordering both A350 and 787, but for today's generation, most people prefer 330+77W

wouldn't it be funny if they switch roles in the future and prefer 787 + A350-1000


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
hedging their bets by ordering both A350 and 787, but for today's generation, most people prefer 330+77W

Okay, but how does "today's generation" judge, let alone prefer, two aircraft (A350 and 787) when they haven't yet flown? Beats me!


User currently offlineteva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1873 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

Is it a part of the contract signed in Paris a couple of weeks ago, or is it a new order?
(usually, in China, government signs big orders for political reasons, then Chinese airlines take their planes in these large orders)



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12630 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9559 times:
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What's not clear is whether this is part of the recently announced Chinese order?


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

http://www.boursier.com/vals/ALL/air...t-commander-20-airbus-eco-5480.htm


What it is also unclear is EADS is negotiating a 100 planes order with China ! Another big deal in sight ?


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9177 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
What's not clear is whether this is part of the recently announced Chinese order?

A report by FlightGlobal implies that the A350s are from the recent announcement for 10 as a part of the larger deal initially agreed in Paris.

Air China has emerged as the Chinese customer behind an agreement to acquire 10 Airbus A350 aircraft, as well as 10 A330s.

It has detailed its plans following the Chinese Government's signing of an agreement, earlier this month, covering acquisition of 102 Airbuses.

That agreement included 10 A350s but did not identify the carrier for which they were bound.


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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8945 times:

If this order comes up as firm Airbus will have a total of 190 net widebody orders for 2010.
A330: 84
A350: 73
A380: 32
A340: 1


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

This will make Air China to become the largest A330 operator, with 53 planes in their fleet!!!  Wow!


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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4801 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

are these new A 330s the -200 or -300 versions???

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 10):
are these new A 330s the -200 or -300 versions???

The source in reply 7 states that it has not been announced whether these are A332 or A333. The A350 version hasn't been announced either.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):
This will make Air China to become the largest A330 operator, with 53 planes in their fleet!!! Wow!

Indeed. But CX/KA, CZ, and MU have loads of them, too.

PEK sees a lot of A330s.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

My money would be on the 330's being 300 series.

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6724 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

So, we have all those "letters of intent" then "agreements" then "orders" then "options", and now we also have announcements of orders that are in fact an airline saying "those were for me". And of course each time an announcement is made the stock exchanges will act on it.


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting col (Reply 12):
My money would be on the 330's being 300 series.

Really? They currently have 3+3 orders of A333 and 20+17orders of A332. Why bet on A332s?

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
So, we have all those "letters of intent" then "agreements" then "orders" then "options", and now we also have announcements of orders that are in fact an airline saying "those were for me". And of course each time an announcement is made the stock exchanges will act on it.

Indeed. But it's the problem of the stock market if it reacts twice to the same news or reacts to a sale that is relatively small in terms of overall turnover of the company.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Does the A330-200 have the range to fly PEK-LHR in both directions on a year-round basis?

User currently offlinecerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
They currently have 3+3 orders of A333 and 20+17orders of A332. Why bet on A332s?

Actually, the 3xA333 CA currently operates were leased from AerCap. And according to Airbus's Excel file the division is 30 A332 and 10 A333, not counting the latest order of course.
As to what models the latest 10 A330 might be. CA announced that the listed price of 10 A330 was US$1.96B, this seems to suggest that it is referring to A332? It will also be interesting to see how CA differentiates the roles of 787-9 and A359 (presumed, as CA recently ordered 77W (no need for A3510?) and why order A358 while having 787-9 on order?).


User currently offlinecerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 15):
Does the A330-200 have the range to fly PEK-LHR in both directions on a year-round basis?

I believe CA's A332s are doing exactly that. LHR-PEK is some 4400nm, well within the capability of A332.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

More good news for RR.   

http://production.investis.com/rr_feeds/rns/story?id=3845333

"Rolls-Royce, the global power systems company, has won an order from Air China for engines to power a total of 20 new Air China Ltd aircraft, comprising ten Airbus A350 XWBs and ten A330s. The contract, worth $1.8bn at list prices, includes a TotalCare® long-term service agreement.

Rolls-Royce will provide Trent XWB engines for the A350 XWBs and Trent 700 engines for the A330s."


It also appears to answer the question of whether this order for 10 x A330 is "new" or not.

"He Li, Air China Ltd Senior Vice President, said: "We look forward to bringing the Trent XWB into service with our airline to provide us with fuel-efficient power for the A350 XWB and adding to our Trent 700-powered fleet. We have now selected this engine on four separate occasions. Our Trent-powered fleet now stands at 78 aircraft either in service or on order."

They have 43 A330s in service or on order (40 purchased directly and 3 leased).
Add 15 x 787 = 58
Add 10 x A350 = 68
Add 10 x A330 = 78.

So we are given to understand that the 10 x A350 were part of the big order announced earlier this month but the 10 x A330 were not? Is that how others read it too?


User currently offlinePlaneWasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Hope they will replace the 777 used from ARN to PEK. Air China's 777 are really shabby!

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Wa surprised that this engine order made the radio news bulletin this morning on the BBC (5 live), I imagine RR's PR advisors want some positive news in the media, after the difficulties over the last 2 weeks!

And as Cameron was in China recently, I guess he'd like to benefit from the order polically as well 



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User currently offlinecerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 18):
the 10 x A330 were not?

   The "new" part of the "big order" contained only 6xA330, so the A330 order has to be an additional order.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting cerecl (Reply 16):
As to what models the latest 10 A330 might be. CA announced that the listed price of 10 A330 was US$1.96B, this seems to suggest that it is referring to A332? It will also be interesting to see how CA differentiates the roles of 787-9 and A359 (presumed, as CA recently ordered 77W (no need for A3510?) and why order A358 while having 787-9 on order?).


I won't be surprised if the 10 A330's ordered now are partly to cover the capacity of the delayed 787-8, so A332's make sense. The A350's are most like replacements for the 777-200's, so I would expect them to be the -900 version. And with 77W's to replace the 744's, CA's widebody fleet will consist of:
A330-200/300 (53x)
Boeing 787-9 (15x)
A350-900 (10x)
Boeing 777-300ER (19x)

Nicely balanced, efficient fleet   
And I hear so often Chinese fleet planners don't know what they're doing, or at least their decisions are politically driven  
In due time, when CA sees a good market opportunity, I expect them to add VLA's, the A380 a clear favourite.



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Really? They currently have 3+3 orders of A333 and 20+17orders of A332. Why bet on A332s?

I should have said hoped 333's. Got stuck in the usual China Air Traffic delays this morning, higher capacity is needed or sort the Air Traffic out, it is getting like the North East USA when it gets cloudy!!

Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 19):
Air China's 777 are really shabby!

Add their 767/757 to the shabby list. The 330's are much better, on one tomorrow, but then transfering onto the old 757!!


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 15):
Does the A330-200 have the range to fly PEK-LHR in both directions on a year-round basis?

Easily. PEK is not that far away from Europe, actually. It's 4414nm, which makes it even closer than SFO, LAS or MAA.

Air France uses (used?) the 332 on CDG-GIG, which is considerably longer. LHR-PEK is even within the range of a decently loaded 333.


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