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ANA And The 747-400D & 767-300  
User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 539 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Hi all,

I just checked and was shocked to see that all but two JAL 747-400D are already in storage and to be scrapped.

Question now, what are ANA's plans with the -400D? How long will they remain in the fleet and what is their replacement?
Also, is the 787 due to replace all of the older 767-300s (non-ER)?

Any insight would be highly appreciated.

Regards,
Loran


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User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1554 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3851 times:
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Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
what are ANA's plans with the -400D

One was scrapped at DMK due to a maintenance error.....


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

ANA can consider acquiring older 773A (non-ER) if they come on the market to replace the 744D. For the 763, just use them to end of lifespan since resale value is zero and no realistic plane on the market to replace it (739 too small, 332 too large)

other than airports like ITM that has banned 4-holers, just keep using them. Newer planes are all optimized for long-haul and ultra-long-haul, so on super short flights like 1-1.5 hours, the 744D's CASM won't be significantly worse than current offerings to a point it's worth it to replace (just yet)

sadly Japanese carriers just NEED to buy Boeing, else the A333 should be a good option too.


User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 539 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Quoting N471wn (Reply 1):
One was scrapped at DMK due to a maintenance error.....

I think that ended up in extensive corrosion and was a write-off, but it never impacted their fleet plans for the D version.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
ANA can consider acquiring older 773A (non-ER) if they come on the market to replace the 744D. For the 763, just use them to end of lifespan since resale value is zero and no realistic plane on the market to replace it (739 too small, 332 too large)

other than airports like ITM that has banned 4-holers, just keep using them. Newer planes are all optimized for long-haul and ultra-long-haul, so on super short flights like 1-1.5 hours, the 744D's CASM won't be significantly worse than current offerings to a point it's worth it to replace (just yet)

sadly Japanese carriers just NEED to buy Boeing, else the A333 should be a good option too.

ANA has no more 773 on order, and the non-ER is getting quite old as well. But I think they still have a few 772 to be delivered.

I have not heard of any formal retirement announcements and hope the D versions remains until late 2011. I have heard though that ANA intends to replace all 744s on international routes, but I wonder with which aircraft?

Btw, ANA and JAL are both Airbus customers, although small ones.

Regards,
Loran



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25461 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting Loran (Reply 3):
Btw, ANA and JAL are both Airbus customers, although small ones

I wouldn't consider JAL an Airbus customer. Their only Airbus aircraft are the A300s inherited from their merger with JAS.


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