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Phillipine Airlines To Launch India From S11  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2964 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6088 times:

According to the GDS PR will launch 6 weekly services to DEL from IATA summer 2011, 3 will be non stop and 3 via BKK.

PR 752 MNL - BKK 1845 2105 3hrs 20 mins Mo, We, Fr
-----------BKK - DEL 2230 0110+1 4hrs 10 mins

PR 753 DEL - BKK 0245 0825 4hrs 10 mins Tu, Th, Sa
-----------BKK - MNL 0925 1350 3hrs 25mins

PR 758 MNL - DEL 2110 0110+1 6hrs 30mins Tu, Th, Su
PR 759 DEL - MNL 0300 1200 6hrs 30mins Mo, We, Fr

Aircraft: A330-300

DEL - BKK is currently served by

* TG double daily (B744 + B773)
* 9W daily B737
* CX daily A333/343
* Thai Air Asia daily A320 (from December)
* IT 6 weekly A319.

[Edited 2010-11-19 01:28:05]


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
According to the GDS PR will launch 6 weekly services to DEL from IATA summer 2011, 3 will be non stop and 3 via BKK.

Is there enough O&D traffic to justify this route? Philippines Tourism is really going gangbusters on advertising here.



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User currently offlinecityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Finally! This has been in the pipeline for years! The question has for long been wether DEL would be nonstop or via BKK, so it's interesting that they chose both. Although, I'm surprised at the high frequency, I mean six weekly! I think the three weekly nonstop would be enough.
They could have chosen to route the other flight to BOM instead (nonstop or not).

Yes the Philippine Tourism Board has lately been focusing alot on India and arrivals have gone up quite alot.
I actually even find it crazy that there hasn't been a single flight between the countries until now, so the news are really great!

Btw, does anyone have a clue how they freed up an A330?
Maybe reducing some domestic flights (as AirPhilExpress has taken over some of them since all these new A320 started arriving)?

//Alex



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User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Excellent news!

The timings don't really allow for domestic connections in Delhi. It's a shame because the new terminal really would make these types of connections really easy...

Any chance that an Indian carrier would interested in code sharing with PR on the route?


User currently offlineJetBlue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

Excellent news! Glad to hear that PAL is expanding.


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Does Air India not fly DEL-BKK?


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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting cityairline (Reply 2):
Btw, does anyone have a clue how they freed up an A330?

I think the a/c came from the BNE fights because they terminated BNE flights last month and the flights were operated by the 333



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2964 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5):
Does Air India not fly DEL-BKK?

Yes it does, daily A321. Forgot to add that.



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User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* TG double daily (B744 + B773)
* 9W daily B737
* CX daily A333/343
* Thai Air Asia daily A320 (from December)
* IT 6 weekly A319.

Plus AI daily services makes a total of 7 daily flights between BKK and DEL. Half of those services are in widebodies. I knew there was a market between this two cities, but was not expecting this much.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5263 times:

The former National Steel Corporation in my fiancee´s hometown Iligan City has been bought a few years ago by a big Indian company. Since then there are quite a few indians living in this city.

Jan


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5207 times:

With these flight timings how are the connections to/from DEL via MNL to LAX/SFO/YVR and Japan by PAL?

Yes I do feel that 6 weekly A 333s is a bit too much. They should have done 4 weekly MNL-DEL nonstop initially to start off with and then decided if further expansion was necessary. This is an ultra-aggressive launch and operating via BKK three times per week will only further reduce revenue margins as costs of operation would increase!


User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 10):
With these flight timings how are the connections to/from DEL via MNL to LAX/SFO/YVR and Japan by PAL?

The flights connections aren't too bad for flights connecting to Japan from the nonstop flight from DEL but not so good coming from Japan and connecting on either of the Delhi flights.

The flights connections are awful for flights between Candada/United States and India both ways. The flight connections between India and Australia seem to work out well, however...

I guess these flights are poised for O&D only which may not be enough to sustain the flight but I really hope it all works out.


User currently offlineJetBlue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):

The former National Steel Corporation in my fiancee´s hometown Iligan City has been bought a few years ago by a big Indian company. Since then there are quite a few indians living in this city.

Off topic but I was born in Iligan City 

Jan

MNL to LAX

Departure Arrival Flight
20:30 18:05 PR112* 0 A343 WED,SUN
22:00 19:30 PR102* 0 B744 DAILY
20:30 17:05 PR112** 0 A343 WED, SUN
22:00 18:30 PR102** 0 B744 DAILY

*For 31 Oct to 06 Nov 2010 and 13 to 26 Mar 2011; PR 112 to operate effective 08 Dec 2010
**For 07 Nov to 12 Mar 2011; PR 112 to operate effective 08 Dec 2010

MNL to SFO

22:30 19:30 PR104* 0 B744 DAILY
22:30 18:30 PR104** 0 B744 DAILY

*For 31 October to 06 November 2010 and 13 to 26 March 2011
**For 07 November 2010 to 12 March 2011

Departure Arrival Flight Stops
15:50 17:20 PR106* 1 A343 TUE,THU,SAT,SUN
15:50 16:20 PR106** 1 A343 TUE,THU,SAT,SUN


*For 31 October to 06 November 2010 and 13 to 26 March 2011
**For 07 November 2010 to 12 March 2011

via Vancouver

Flights from DEL/BKK arrive in the early afteronoon and flights to LAX and SFO depart very late in the evening. However, fligts to YVR and LAS leave at 15:50 so there's enough time for connecting passengers.



MNL to SYD

Departure Arrival Flight Stops
21:00 10:20 PR209 1 777 TUE,THU,SUN
22:35 09:00 PR211 0 777 FRI,SAT



Note: PR 209 via Melbourne

MNL to MEL


Departure Arrival Flight Stops
20:30 07:30 PR213 a 0 A330 WED FRI
21:00 07:30 PR209 0 777 TUE, THU, SUN
22:35 11:45 PR211 b 0 777 FRI

a. To operate on the ff dates only: 03 & 17 December and 07, 14, 26 January
b. Will not operate on the ff dates: 03 & 17 December and 07, & 14 Jan

Arrival one day after

Flights from MNL to Australia also departs late at night.


MNL to NRT


Departure Arrival Flight Stops
14:50 20:10 PR432 0 777 DAILY


Flights to NRT depart at 14:50 so I think it's okay for connecting passengers from India (1200 arrival and 1350 Arrival)



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlinewheelsup86 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

I think the main questions are:

1) Why is PR moving into India now rather than focusing resources on other markets / what raise in demand justifies so many frequencies per week?
2) How does PR plan to capture market share on the MNL-DEL-MNLvia BKK route from established services?
3) Aside from a slightly shorter trip, what is the value added on the MNL-DEL-MNL nonstops? Who is the target market?

On the flights via BKK: TG, SQ, MH, and CX, for example, are strong players offering links between MNL and DEL that offer greater selections of connections worldwide (if connecting traffic is a target element in addition to O/D), and have built up solid sets of loyal customers to and from India, which is a result of being in the market for a while, being members of alliances, etc. How does PR plan to compete in this market?

With regard to the nonstop flight, the value added is a few hours saved, which would be appealing if the target was business traffic...however it seems to be mainly tourist traffic? Any ideas as to what the split between business/tourist traffic might be? I think the only way PR can perform well is if it can price very competitively, but that's easier said than done...

In all, I think PR should be cautious about who it's playing against. It's great to see a new player in India and to see PR expanding into new markets, however, a frequency of 6 per week seems like overkill for this route, at least in its beginnings.

Separately, it might be worth noting that circa 10 years ago, United used to fly a route between DEL and MNL via HKG as part of its extensive Asia network (although it's since dropped both DEL and MNL).

wheelsup


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3323 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 10):
With these flight timings how are the connections to/from DEL via MNL to LAX/SFO/YVR and Japan by PAL?

departures from MNL to DEL are 1845 and 2100.
all connections within 3 hours are:

HNL 14:30
PVG 14:35
HKG 15:25
SYD 16:30
CEB 16:55
MFM 17:40
PEK 17:40
MEL 17:55
FUK 18:35
CEB 18:55
SGN 19:05
TPE 19:30
XMN 19:50
HKG 20:00


Arrivals from DEL are 1200 and 1350.

connections within 3 hours (and same day) are:

13:30 CEB
13:40 NGO
14:05 XMN
14:15 TPE
14:30 ICN
14:40 KIX
14:45 HKG
14:50 NRT
15:25 PUS
15:35 HNL
15:50 YVR
18:35 HKG
19:45 YVR
20:30 MEL
20:30 LAX
22:30 SFO
22:35 SYD


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting wheelsup86 (Reply 13):
Separately, it might be worth noting that circa 10 years ago, United used to fly a route between DEL and MNL via HKG as part of its extensive Asia network (although it's since dropped both DEL and MNL).

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that 10 years ago MNL had already been dropped by UA. Not to mention UA never connected MNL to SFO via HKG but rather Seoul in the 90's.

You are right though, in the early 90's DEL was connected to MNL via HKG but on Air France. Around the same time Swissair also connected BOM to MNL both non stop and via HKG.


User currently offlinewheelsup86 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 15):
I am pretty sure that 10 years ago MNL had already been dropped by UA

You're right SR 103, it was more than 10 years ago that UA was in MNL. Good point on the SR/AF flights- I remember when I was a kid and crazy about collecting plane stuff, my aunt gave me a boarding pass from her BOM-HKG flight on SR! Also remember my dad telling me his crazy route when he first came to the states from Calcutta, hopping around on BA throughout Southeast Asia for his first few stops. It's unfortunate (but understandable b/c of advances in technology, codesharing, etc) that a lot of the European carriers that once offered intra-SE Asian services are no longer doing so. I'm guessing Emirates now takes the #1 spot for the airline from furthest away with the most intra-SE Asian services, leveraging BKK and SIN and it's mini-hub at CMB.

[Edited 2010-11-23 19:47:33]

[Edited 2010-11-23 19:50:11]

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