cityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4810 times:
Finally! This has been in the pipeline for years! The question has for long been wether DEL would be nonstop or via BKK, so it's interesting that they chose both. Although, I'm surprised at the high frequency, I mean six weekly! I think the three weekly nonstop would be enough.
They could have chosen to route the other flight to BOM instead (nonstop or not).
Yes the Philippine Tourism Board has lately been focusing alot on India and arrivals have gone up quite alot.
I actually even find it crazy that there hasn't been a single flight between the countries until now, so the news are really great!
Btw, does anyone have a clue how they freed up an A330?
Maybe reducing some domestic flights (as AirPhilExpress has taken over some of them since all these new A320 started arriving)?
Diesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
Excellent news!
The timings don't really allow for domestic connections in Delhi. It's a shame because the new terminal really would make these types of connections really easy...
Any chance that an Indian carrier would interested in code sharing with PR on the route?
Plus AI daily services makes a total of 7 daily flights between BKK and DEL. Half of those services are in widebodies. I knew there was a market between this two cities, but was not expecting this much.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13368 posts, RR: 64 Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
The former National Steel Corporation in my fiancee´s hometown Iligan City has been bought a few years ago by a big Indian company. Since then there are quite a few indians living in this city.
behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 4126 times:
With these flight timings how are the connections to/from DEL via MNL to LAX/SFO/YVR and Japan by PAL?
Yes I do feel that 6 weekly A 333s is a bit too much. They should have done 4 weekly MNL-DEL nonstop initially to start off with and then decided if further expansion was necessary. This is an ultra-aggressive launch and operating via BKK three times per week will only further reduce revenue margins as costs of operation would increase!
Diesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 10): With these flight timings how are the connections to/from DEL via MNL to LAX/SFO/YVR and Japan by PAL?
The flights connections aren't too bad for flights connecting to Japan from the nonstop flight from DEL but not so good coming from Japan and connecting on either of the Delhi flights.
The flights connections are awful for flights between Candada/United States and India both ways. The flight connections between India and Australia seem to work out well, however...
I guess these flights are poised for O&D only which may not be enough to sustain the flight but I really hope it all works out.
JetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1429 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 3882 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
The former National Steel Corporation in my fiancee´s hometown Iligan City has been bought a few years ago by a big Indian company. Since then there are quite a few indians living in this city.
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Flights from DEL/BKK arrive in the early afteronoon and flights to LAX and SFO depart very late in the evening. However, fligts to YVR and LAS leave at 15:50 so there's enough time for connecting passengers.
wheelsup86 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 2 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
I think the main questions are:
1) Why is PR moving into India now rather than focusing resources on other markets / what raise in demand justifies so many frequencies per week?
2) How does PR plan to capture market share on the MNL-DEL-MNLvia BKK route from established services?
3) Aside from a slightly shorter trip, what is the value added on the MNL-DEL-MNL nonstops? Who is the target market?
On the flights via BKK: TG, SQ, MH, and CX, for example, are strong players offering links between MNL and DEL that offer greater selections of connections worldwide (if connecting traffic is a target element in addition to O/D), and have built up solid sets of loyal customers to and from India, which is a result of being in the market for a while, being members of alliances, etc. How does PR plan to compete in this market?
With regard to the nonstop flight, the value added is a few hours saved, which would be appealing if the target was business traffic...however it seems to be mainly tourist traffic? Any ideas as to what the split between business/tourist traffic might be? I think the only way PR can perform well is if it can price very competitively, but that's easier said than done...
In all, I think PR should be cautious about who it's playing against. It's great to see a new player in India and to see PR expanding into new markets, however, a frequency of 6 per week seems like overkill for this route, at least in its beginnings.
Separately, it might be worth noting that circa 10 years ago, United used to fly a route between DEL and MNL via HKG as part of its extensive Asia network (although it's since dropped both DEL and MNL).
SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1702 posts, RR: 42 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
Quoting wheelsup86 (Reply 13): Separately, it might be worth noting that circa 10 years ago, United used to fly a route between DEL and MNL via HKG as part of its extensive Asia network (although it's since dropped both DEL and MNL).
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that 10 years ago MNL had already been dropped by UA. Not to mention UA never connected MNL to SFO via HKG but rather Seoul in the 90's.
You are right though, in the early 90's DEL was connected to MNL via HKG but on Air France. Around the same time Swissair also connected BOM to MNL both non stop and via HKG.
wheelsup86 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 2 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3041 times:
Quoting SR 103 (Reply 15): I am pretty sure that 10 years ago MNL had already been dropped by UA
You're right SR 103, it was more than 10 years ago that UA was in MNL. Good point on the SR/AF flights- I remember when I was a kid and crazy about collecting plane stuff, my aunt gave me a boarding pass from her BOM-HKG flight on SR! Also remember my dad telling me his crazy route when he first came to the states from Calcutta, hopping around on BA throughout Southeast Asia for his first few stops. It's unfortunate (but understandable b/c of advances in technology, codesharing, etc) that a lot of the European carriers that once offered intra-SE Asian services are no longer doing so. I'm guessing Emirates now takes the #1 spot for the airline from furthest away with the most intra-SE Asian services, leveraging BKK and SIN and it's mini-hub at CMB.
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